Floating Windows and Window Placement Concerns
Good Morning gang -- I have two primary concerns with floating windows
But first, again let me applaud the fact that they support dual monitors in a wonderful way -- I can fill two monitors on my desktop just fine and that let's me expand my Logos desktop to really see a lot of material and have it all linked together. Much better than having to launch multiple iterations of L3 (which works wonderfully well, but which means the two iterations have to work independently). L4 is a great step in the right direction.
Alas, with floating windows, and I mentioned this somewhere (or maybe I just dreamt it) that once I have a floating window, I can't find a way to shut it off -- that is, how do I anchor it again (short of closing it and starting over)?
Another problem with floating windows (with a single monitor system) is that having a floating window on top -- the window disappears when I click on the toolbar, so I can't drag anything to that floating window and really can't use the tool bar and the floating window simultaneously. It works fine when I part the floating window on the second monitor of my desktop, but with my laptop and a single display, it's more trouble than it's worth.
I wanted to open a window on the right side of my screen this morning. but the default placement of the first window to open seems to be on the left side of my display. So, since I can't seem to float the window, move it to the right and anchor it again, I need to move or drag the window on the left side to the right side. However, it the L4, there's no standard Windows minimize, maximize feature that I've found, only an X to close the window. Therefore, what I've had to resort to is to open a window I don't want (pick a window, any window, e.g. The ABD) which then opens on the left. Now, go to the window I want to open (e.g., Collections) and wait for it to come up on the right side of the screen. Then got back and close the window I didn't want to begin with.
For a system that's supposed to be easier, and more intuitive, this is such a cludge method that it's an embarrassment (IMHO).
Now, if I've missed how to do these things (anchor a floating window, move a window from left to right) then just let me know and I'll give that a try. But right now, it's frustrating knowing I can't get there from here.
Dale
Blessings,
Dale Durnell
Coming to you from Henryetta Oklahoma (45 miles south of Tulsa, and 85 miles east of OKC)
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Dale,
I know that this isn't an "internal fix" for your disappearing floating windows but I've been using a free thing called "deskpins" for a long time now; it "pins" windows on top of everything else no matter what's open or what app is running or no matter where you click.
I use it to pin things like a word doc open INSIDE of logos so I can take notes or cut paste things quickly.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Rev Dale L Durnell OSL said:
1) Alas, with floating windows, and I mentioned this somewhere (or maybe I just dreamt it) that once I have a floating window, I can't find a way to shut it off -- that is, how do I anchor it again (short of closing it and starting over)?
2) Another problem with floating windows (with a single monitor system) is that having a floating window on top -- the window disappears when I click on the toolbar, so I can't drag anything to that floating window and really can't use the tool bar and the floating window simultaneously. It works fine when I part the floating window on the second monitor of my desktop, but with my laptop and a single display, it's more trouble than it's worth.
3) I wanted to open a window on the right side of my screen this morning. but the default placement of the first window to open seems to be on the left side of my display. So, since I can't seem to float the window, move it to the right and anchor it again, I need to move or drag the window on the left side to the right side. However, it the L4, there's no standard Windows minimize, maximize feature that I've found, only an X to close the window. Therefore, what I've had to resort to is to open a window I don't want (pick a window, any window, e.g. The ABD) which then opens on the left. Now, go to the window I want to open (e.g., Collections) and wait for it to come up on the right side of the screen. Then got back and close the window I didn't want to begin with.
Hi Dale,
1) You can redock a floating window by dragging the panel back (using the tab, not the title bar) to the Logos 4 'desktop'. When you drag it back over, you'll see the blue 'hotspot' on the left, right, or full screen. Just drop it where you want to dock it. (Note: Since dragging the 'title bar' is the standard way to move a floating window from one monitor screen to another, it cannot also be used to redock floating panels or move docked panels from one position to another. This is why you have to drag the 'tab' instead.)
2) Try tiling or stacking the main Logos 4 window and the floating window (from Windows taskbar) so you can drag from one to the other.
3) The default panel placement is on the left if no other panels are open, however, you can quickly drag the panel 'tab' from the left to right. This would be much easier than floating it first and redocking it. You can also save layouts, so once you have panels arranged a certain way for a particular study, you can save that 'layout' to bring up at a later time. You can even drag a saved layout to the shortcut bar to make it even easier.
I hope this helps to clarify things a bit.
Melissa
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Melissa Snyder said:
1) You can redock a floating window by dragging the panel back (using the tab, not the title bar) to the Logos 4 'desktop'. When you drag it back over, you'll see the blue 'hotspot' on the left, right, or full screen. Just drop it where you want to dock it. (Note: Since dragging the 'title bar' is the standard way to move a floating window from one monitor screen to another, it cannot also be used to redock floating panels or move docked panels from one position to another. This is why you have to drag the 'tab' instead.)
2) Try tiling or stacking the main Logos 4 window and the floating window (from Windows taskbar) so you can drag from one to the other.
3) The default panel placement is on the left if no other panels are open, however, you can quickly drag the panel 'tab' from the left to right. This would be much easier than floating it first and redocking it. You can also save layouts, so once you have panels arranged a certain way for a particular study, you can save that 'layout' to bring up at a later time. You can even drag a saved layout to the shortcut bar to make it even easier.
I hope this helps to clarify things a bit.
Melissa
Hi Melissa, and thanks for the response --
1. I was able to do this once -- most of the time it simply stayed as a floating window and the few times I could get it into a blue field, it went back to full screen. It was easier to close the window and reopen it, but then it wasn't where I wanted it to begin with, so I had to move it again. <sigh>
2. Yes, this works. However, with a 2 monitor system I've usually got six or seven apps open at one time, so tiling from the taskbar means I've then got to go back through the tiled windows, minimize all but L4 and the floating window, then resize L4 and the floating window, just to be able to drag from one to the other. Not a good option. It works, but for a program that's supposed to make life and work easier for me, this is way too convoluted. <deep sigh>
3. I finally figured out which spot you wanted me to drag. One out of ten attempts finally got it to the right side of the screen. The other nine attempts it went full screen on me. It's easier to open another window, let it fill the left position, then open the one I wanted to open on the right side, and close the one I didn't want to begin with. <really deep sigh>
I suppose this is supposed to work better and easier, and maybe you're having more luck. But, I'm
Blessings,
Dale Durnell
Coming to you from Henryetta Oklahoma (45 miles south of Tulsa, and 85 miles east of OKC)
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Oops, I fat fingered something before it got sent
anyway --
I'm just not having much luck on this end. I've got a couple of Jing .swf files showing me trying to get the program to work but I guess they're too big to upload and besides they don't show anything more than I've tried to describe.
Blessings
Dale
Blessings,
Dale Durnell
Coming to you from Henryetta Oklahoma (45 miles south of Tulsa, and 85 miles east of OKC)
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Melissa Snyder said:
Hi Dale,
1) You can redock a floating window by dragging the panel back (using the tab, not the title bar) to the Logos 4 'desktop'. When you drag it back over, you'll see the blue 'hotspot' on the left, right, or full screen. Just drop it where you want to dock it. (Note: Since dragging the 'title bar' is the standard way to move a floating window from one monitor screen to another, it cannot also be used to redock floating panels or move docked panels from one position to another. This is why you have to drag the 'tab' instead.)
2) Try tiling or stacking the main Logos 4 window and the floating window (from Windows taskbar) so you can drag from one to the other.
3) The default panel placement is on the left if no other panels are open, however, you can quickly drag the panel 'tab' from the left to right. This would be much easier than floating it first and redocking it. You can also save layouts, so once you have panels arranged a certain way for a particular study, you can save that 'layout' to bring up at a later time. You can even drag a saved layout to the shortcut bar to make it even easier.
I hope this helps to clarify things a bit.
Melissa
Thanks Melissa, that's great help. I knew I did it once and I forgot how... you reminded me. Great and simple. I found also that what I really missed in V3 is here, and that is dragging and dropping of the tab in the panel. When I want Bibles to have in a certain order, I can easily do that. There was no easy way to do it in V3.
What I actually did not find here is the way how I can change the resource in the given tab, except the arrows. Is there any other way? Like the list of parallel resources in V3? Is it planned for the future Betas? Thank you.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
What I actually did not find here is the way how I can change the resource in the given tab, except the arrows. Is there any other way? Like the list of parallel resources in V3? Is it planned for the future Betas? Thank you.
The 'New Tab' feature can be used for this purpose. Click on the '+' next to the current resource tab and a list of parallel resources will come up in the new tab.
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Melissa Snyder said:
The 'New Tab' feature can be used for this purpose. Click on the '+' next to the current resource tab and a list of parallel resources will come up in the new tab.
Yes, thanks, I know about that possibility, but this way I open another tab, not change resource in the existing tab. If there is a reason for that, fine. But I think it would be good to be able to change the resource in the existing tab by getting to the similar list. Just a suggestion to consider. Thanks.
Bohuslav
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