We need more books on the Doctrine of Hell
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Rosie Perera said:George Somsel said:tom said:George Somsel said:
I understand that it operates on the Raid Roach Motel principle (the bug killer)—you can check in, but you can't check out.
hmmm, I understood that it operated like "Hotel California" where "You can check-out any time you like, But you can never leave!"
Same principle.
Not quite. Your version is missing the pun: "check out" is a euphemism for "die."
Strange how our minds work based on expectation. Read the OP as "check-in" until you call attention to the pun
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I just ran into a wonderful little book. Over 50 years ago Jaroslav Pelikan gave a set of lectures on early Christian views of Death, highlighting five different early christian figures. For better or worse, these are print versions of lectures, so there are no footnotes, but while that limits its research usefulness, it is still a nice introduction to the variety of early christian thought by a top notch historian...
Jaroslav Pelikan - The Shape of Death, 1961, Abingdon Press (from lectures at Knox in Toronto in Sept of 1959)
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Ken McGuire
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Thanks, Ken, for the pleasant "reminder" of Pelikan's book! I used to own it and really appreciated it! A few years ago I gave that and most of my "print" books to one of our Canadian Seminaries ......... Got a nice receipt for income tax credit! *smile*
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Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Rosie Perera said:
- Primitive Conceptions of Death and the Nether World in the Old Testament by Nicholas Tromp
Thank you for this suggestion--have just ordered it.
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Why don't Christians simply agree to disagree on the subject of eternal torture? Martha Richert
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Thanks Mark! I'm always amazed at how helpful your comments are (I discovered Fudge's book in my L library as a result).
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This is an older thread, by in the unlikely event you're interested, one of the mentioned Bernstein volumes appears to have been expanded:
https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Its-Rivals-Retribution-Christians-ebook/dp/B07176Q7X2
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Martha J. Richert said:
Why don't Christians simply agree to disagree on the subject of eternal torture? Martha Richert
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Since the Forum Guidelines were posted in Jan 2010, Faithlife Corporation created Faithlife web site => https://faithlife.com/ and Christian Discourse (quit working so time ago) so Christian Debate was created => https://www.christiandiscourse.net/ where question "Why don't Christians simply agree to disagree on the subject of eternal torture?" could be discussed. Recommend reading => 23 Minutes in Hell: One Man's Story About What He Saw, Heard, and Felt in That Place of Torment
Thankful for many friendly forum discussions; have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn.
Faithlife ebooks (Vyrso replacement) currently has 264 results for Hell => https://ebooks.faithlife.com/search?query=hell&sortBy=Savings&limit=60&page=1&filters=status-live_Status&ownership=unowned (URL includes ownership filter to exclude ebooks already owned)
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One way to filter Logos/Verbum library for resources (includes ebooks) about Hell is:
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Martha J. Richert said:
Why don't Christians simply agree to disagree on the subject of eternal torture? Martha Richert
Because then Christians would be cowards in the eyes of God. Heaven and Hell is a salvation issue. You can’t simply dismiss either one with a “let’s agree to disagree.”
Anyway, in either case, the forums are to discuss software and Faithlife products not “Theology.” 👍😁👌 Wow it’s been 6 years since this was posted! Time sure flies!!!
DAL
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JoshInRI said:
i am preaching on What Jesus said about Hell and Why it Still Matters.
The title may give everyone an idea where I am headed "Their Worm Does Not Die"
Maybe this thread should be about THE IMMORTAL WORMS instead of Hell...
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David Paul said:JoshInRI said:
i am preaching on What Jesus said about Hell and Why it Still Matters.
The title may give everyone an idea where I am headed "Their Worm Does Not Die"
Maybe this thread should be about THE IMMORTAL WORMS instead of Hell...
Where the worms diet not 😂😂😂😜
DAL
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DAL said:
Because then Christians would be cowards in the eyes of God.
You'd have to inform the pastoral writer (Paul?) about that. If memory serves he recommended 2-3 tries and move on. But then it wouldn't be so fun. Winning the argument is the goal.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise said:
Winning the argument is the goal.
Thank you. I needed that. I grew up with the mistaken view that the goal was to see and understand multiple views so that one could make a well reasoned choice between them. I'd complain to Dad except he only lived to 98.
True story: In the early 1950's a woman of his Mother's generation was arranging an educational debate on evolution. She asked Dad to represent the pro-evolution side i.e. the side contrary to his actual beliefs. Dad studied up - wouldn't any farmer/rancher? He was so effective defending evolution that the woman was still convinced a decade later that he was pro-evolution and WRONG. Made a bit of a problem for me as she taught 7th & 8th grades.
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MJ. Smith said:Denise said:
Winning the argument is the goal.
He was so effective defending evolution that the woman was still convinced a decade later that he was pro-evolution and WRONG. Made a bit of a problem for me as she taught 7th & 8th grades.
I just finished a book Search for Memory (Schacter). I'd recommend it for all pastors (who would never read it). But, it's amazing how the brains puts things together, a little this and that, slowly seeps into long-term storage, and then is retrieved incorrectly, and with complete certainty.
One Sunday morning in Bible class, the men were battling it out, as is their wont ... the ladies checking their watches ... it couldn't go on forever. The pastor watching his lesson dribble into nothingness. But the memory professor says not to worry ... all those brains are soaking up incorrect information.
My Dad was also Mr Debater. Toward the end, he'd skip to the chase .. I think he debated himself to a standstill.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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