Confusion re: referencing the Church Fathers
Exhibit 1: Note that the most current Denzinger gives the same reference.
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[From St. Hippolytus’s Philosophy IX 11, about the year 230]
42a [DS 105] “[Callistus], however, influenced ZEPHYRINUS himself to speak to the people openly: I know one God Christ Jesus, and besides him no other begotten and passible; then indeed [CALLISTUS] said: The Father did not die, but the Son: in such a way as this he kept up the perpetual dispute among the people.
Henry Denzinger and Karl Rahner, eds., The Sources of Catholic Dogma, trans. Roy J. Deferrari (St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1954), 20–21.
Exhibit 2:
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Now Callistus brought forward Zephyrinus himself, and induced him publicly to avow the following sentiments: “I know that there is one God, Jesus Christ; nor except Him do I know any other that is begotten and amenable to suffering.” And on another occasion, when he would make the following statement: “The Father did not die, but the Son.”
Hippolytus of Rome, “The Refutation of All Heresies,” in Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix, ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe, trans. J. H. MacMahon, vol. 5, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1886), 128.
Reference: <Hippolytus = Hippolytus, Refutatio 9.6>
It is my understanding that Philosophumena or Refutatio omnium haeresium refer to the same work. What is the origin of the difference in referencing systems and how to I convert from one to the other ... or is Verbum supposed to make the conversion? In this case it fails to tag the reference at all ... but that is a separate issue. (Attn Kyle: Missing links in the references identifying the text in Denzinger)
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The same issue also applies to the following resource:
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Now [Callistus] bringing forward Zephyrinus himself, persuaded him to say publicly: “I know one God, Christ Jesus, and beside Him I know no other, [p. 436] begotten and susceptible of suffering.” And at one time he said: “The Father did not die but the Son,” and thus maintained without ceasing the faction among the people.
Hippolytus of Rome, Philosophumena or the Refutation of All Heresies, ed. W. J. Sparrow-Simpson and W. K. Lowther Clarke, trans. F. Legge, vol. 2, Translations of Christian Literature, Series I: Greek Texts (London; New York: Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge; The Macmillan Company, 1921), 125. - https://ref.ly/logosres/phlsphmn?ref=Hippolytus.Ref.+9.2
Reference: <Hippolytus = Hippolytus, Refutatio 9.2>
I think the headings added by MacMahon and Legge to their translations were mistakenly interpreted as a different reference system. In the case of Legge's translation it is evident that the reference should be <Refutatio 9.11> and not <Refutatio 9.2> (see screenshot below).
FYI The Philosophumena was first attributed to Origenes and is therefore in volume 16 of Migne's Patrologia Graeca.
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HJ. van der Wal said:
I think the headings added by MacMahon and Legge to their translations were mistakenly interpreted as a different reference system. In the case of Legge's translation it is evident that the reference should be <Refutatio 9.11> and not <Refutatio 9.2> (see screenshot below).
The 9.2 should indeed be 9.11 and should map to the 9.11 of the PG. The ANF 9.6 reference, however, is a different (albeit related) system of reference from PG.
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