Am I missing the obvious? Hebrew vs. Aramaic

MJ. Smith
MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774
edited November 2024 in English Forum

Is there anything in a Bible/reverse interlinear that indicates where the language changes from Hebrew to Aramaic? I'm looking in Daniel 2.

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  • Francis
    Francis Member Posts: 3,823 ✭✭✭

    Not sure if this is what you are looking for. Just an idea, not sure how precise or complete:

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774

    Thanks in that is a useful search I wasn't aware of. But I'm really looking for a clue in the text itself or the reverse interlinear.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,408

    You could right click, select the lemma, then choose a Bible search. This will use something like this as the search text: <Lemma = lbs/arc/חֵ֫לֶם>

    From this you can determine that the language of the lemma is Aramaic (arc).

    Another idea would be to prioritize an Aramaic lexicon (such as HAL Aramaic). Then right click and select the lemma and see if it shows up in your Look up list.

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio MVP Posts: 2,036

    It was difficult to make this search, but somehow, accidentally or providentially, I came to this view and was able to choose the Aramaic Portions.

    Even if you get this selection list open, you have to scroll to the very bottom, may not be visible initially.

    The key is to get the reference to the Bible(BHS). Most of the time it suggested Bible(SBLGNT), which does not give the "Aramaic Portions" option. Is there any way to change the reference Bible in a consistent and reliable way?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,774

    Very clever to work this one through, Veli. Thank you.

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  • Mark Barnes
    Mark Barnes Member Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭

    The key is to get the reference to the Bible(BHS). Most of the time it suggested Bible(SBLGNT), which does not give the "Aramaic Portions" option. Is there any way to change the reference Bible in a consistent and reliable way?

    Each Bible has its own 'Common Divisions'. You just need to ensure that the Bible with the correct ranges is selected in the search – if not, it will use the most highly prioritised Bible that is possible with this search.

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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning MVP Posts: 11,143

    This has been a very helpful thread. I've wondered about this question in the past but never looked into it seriously. These suggestions are helpful but I wish that Logos would create an easier way that is more obvious in the future.

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  • Francis
    Francis Member Posts: 3,823 ✭✭✭

    Another method, which is not a direct indication in the interlinear text but nevertheless does take advantage of the morph tagging in the text, is this:

    1) Open the information pane and set it to click, not hover

    2) Under definition, go under settings, remove all language but aramaic

    3) Make sure the definition section is not collapsed

    When you click on a non-aramaic word, nothing will appear, when it is aramaic, a definition will show. 

  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio MVP Posts: 2,036

    Each Bible has its own 'Common Divisions'. You just need to ensure that the Bible with the correct ranges is selected in the search – if not, it will use the most highly prioritised Bible that is possible with this search.

    Thanks Mark, it sounds logical, but there is no easy way to set all that or to remember the details. Below is what it often first shows:

    If I open BHS/WIWU first and nothing else, and then I open and do the morph search, and after that I change to clause search,  it will suggest Bible(BHS) as the reference Bible. Seems to be consistent and predictable, although I feel it is a workaround.

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  • Philana R. Crouch
    Philana R. Crouch Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,597

    Each Bible has its own 'Common Divisions'. You just need to ensure that the Bible with the correct ranges is selected in the search – if not, it will use the most highly prioritised Bible that is possible with this search.

    Thanks Mark, it sounds logical, but there is no easy way to set all that or to remember the details. Below is what it often first shows:

    If I open BHS/WIWU first and nothing else, and then I open and do the morph search, and after that I change to clause search,  it will suggest Bible(BHS) as the reference Bible. Seems to be consistent and predictable, although I feel it is a workaround.

    Hi Veli,

    We've got a bug report open for this issue. I've added a link to this post to the case.