Logos 9 Wishlist
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John said:
If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app.
Or the older generation. After pulling our PCs off the net, we wondered what might happen.
1. Stopped buying virus software.
2. Stopped Logos updates and re-indexing (with a serious reduction in purchasing, but I suspect poor sales)
3. Can't update our Suunto's. Hoping they'll update thru ios.
That's it.
I'd say full-featured Logos mobile app, after they do normal featured mobile app.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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John said:
If you really want to “win then next generation of users”....you’re going to have to make a full featured mobile app. Until that happens the customer base will continue to age. I see millennials and younger using Logos on computers only because the features they need for seminary aren’t available in the mobile app, and the second they graduate they ditch it. The younger generation is increasingly doing sermon prep and research on phones and tablets, and are not buying as many computers.
I'm not so sure. I bought a keyboard for my new iPad but I haven't transitioned to preparing messages on it and that's not because of Logos. I can prepare a message with an open Bible and a legal pad if need be. The tablet simply isn't scaled to run a full passage layout and it's downright cramped to type on. I use it for reading prep and to do some exegesis, but it's not a desktop/laptop replacement.
More features are very welcome but the problem isn't Logos. And even if the next-gen could run a full Logos app on an iPad, when they hit 40, they will be reaching for a laptop for the same reasons us oldsters do.[8-|]
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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Touch screen improvement was mentioned previously and I support it very much.
Mobile screens are small but there is some indication that they'll grow: Samsung Fold as an example.
Thus I would suggest good integration with the PC and mobile Logos. [co]. For example it would be nice to use the same layouts in the mobile (small screen) and with the PC (multiple large screens).
I am an oldie but I use the phone/tablet to read resources. But the PC is good for the full analysis when I can see the large picture: many small windows/tabs simultaneously.
I expect that Linux will sneak in at some point. [G]
Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11
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Occasionally, Apple has released a macOS that was slim in new features and focused on bug fixes: Snow Leopard (which followed Leopard) and High Sierra (following Sierra). These are often remembered by users as some of the best macOS’s. For me, bug fixes and stability and speed are features! Please don't add big new features that consume a lot of coding and debugging and improving time. Fix and improve what is already there.
As far as the bugs go, I am sure you have a list somewhere that is a mile long. It would be nice to see the list posted on the forums. Perhaps there’s a way that people could even vote on what bugs are most critical to them.
Dave listed a few that are big for me also:
Dave Hooton said:- Fix the GUI for tabs that L8 introduced:
- Control the tab width for long names e.g. from merged Passage Lists
- remove space reserved for the X
- Show all link set and target icons by dropping resource images if necessary
- remove the name from Collections, Library, etc. tabs (with distinctive icons) to facilitate link set/target icons for other tabs
- remove the artifact vertical/horizontal lines from tab menus when Program Scaling < 100 [especially this one for me]
- remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed
- Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar
- Allow users to vote for bugs to be fixed
New features? A few…mainly just improvements on what is already there.
1) one that’s getting a lot of attention over at Uservoice is the Dark Mode (https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/3357966-night-mode-for-pc-mac).
2) Improve highlighting to include linking highlights with lines—as suggested here by J. Remington Bowling: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/186541/1076793.aspx#1076793
A competitor has just released a new version with this very feature:
3) Continue to work on improving the new Notes Tool. I would love to see the ability to search and highlight those searches within our notes. Also, I would love to have the ability to import images into Notes. Others have made many good suggestions for improving the Notes Tool. I like the direction it's going.
4) Add built-in PDF import for Personal Books. Some of us don't use Word at all. A lot of articles are PDF to begin with and need to be converted to DocX by the user. I hate to mention the competitor again, but their new version has the ability to import from PDF.
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[Y]Levi Durfey said:Add built-in PDF import for Personal Books. Some of us don't use Word at all. A lot of articles are PDF to begin with and need to be converted to DocX by the user.
Also a new feature that would be beneficial for preachers would be a sermon planner/scheduler and perhaps even a sermon log.
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Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.
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Alberto Deluca said:
Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.
No, what I showed is part of their "Pen Tool," not the "Whiteboard Tool."
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Levi Durfey said:Alberto Deluca said:
Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.
No, what I showed is part of their "Pen Tool," not the "Whiteboard Tool."
I see, but even then, the linking lines and all are not saved as actual highlights.
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Alberto Deluca said:Levi Durfey said:Alberto Deluca said:
Just for clarification purposes — Accordance highlights are great, but the drawing part where you can circle a word and draw a line to link it with another word is part of their “Whiteboard mode.” The highlights and markings on Whiteboard mode don’t get automatically saved. You would have to save a screenshot of the drawings and markings if you want to save a copy in your pictures.
No, what I showed is part of their "Pen Tool," not the "Whiteboard Tool."
I see, but even then, the linking lines and all are not saved as actual highlights.
I stand corrected! Wow, I just double checked and the pen feature DOES save when connecting words!
Thanks for pointing that out!
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Fix Maps!
The simple ability to double or single click on a place and find the right contextual map and have it zoom in on that place.
If I am in Nehemiah 2:11 and click on Jerusalem the atlas should go directly to a map of Jerusalem in Nehemiah's Day.
In Nehemiah 2:14 I could further click on Fountain Gate in my NKJV Bible and it would zoom in to that location in my map. https://ref.ly/logosres/db:biblical-places-maps?art=JerusalemInTimesOfEzraAndNehemiah
The problem with Logos 7 Maps is they are too slow and dependent on a good internet connection. Having this ability with static maps such as Logos 5 Maps or the New Moody Bible Atlas, ESV Bible Atlas, ect. would be awsome!
When presenting this on the fly in a bible study or sermon I would go through Paul's Missionary Journey with the same map and double click in my Bible and have it zoom in on the various places quickly and stay with the same map until I go to a different context in the Bible. Having this ability in static maps would make it a lot faster and I would not have to pause a minute in my sermon to let the internet catch up or try to right menu click, find the right map and then try to zoom in on the location.
Visual filters could also be added in the Bible for contextual maps highlighting the various cities (for example) Paul's first Missionary Journey and this would make it easier to follow along in a Map.
And yes another vote for Carta!
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The ability to search for all kings in the book of Daniel. The ability to search for all places in the book of Acts. The concordance tool already has these results but the ability to search by subkind or Biblical Entity is still not available. The ability to search for all Women in the Bible, ect.
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Just to address an annoyance:
For desktop versions, refine the "Service Release" concept.
9.0.0.xxxx = Logos 9
9.1.0.xxxx = Logos 9 SR-1 and so on.In between truely major service releases, introduce atomistic, delta patches. Case in point, very minor fixes or even cosmetic fixes to update version number.
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John Brumett said:
Fix Maps!
The simple ability to double or single click on a place and find the right contextual map and have it zoom in on that place.
If I am in Nehemiah 2:11 and click on Jerusalem the atlas should go directly to a map of Jerusalem in Nehemiah's Day.
In Nehemiah 2:14 I could further click on Fountain Gate in my NKJV Bible and it would zoom in to that location in my map. https://ref.ly/logosres/db:biblical-places-maps?art=JerusalemInTimesOfEzraAndNehemiah
The problem with Logos 7 Maps is they are too slow and dependent on a good internet connection. Having this ability with static maps such as Logos 5 Maps or the New Moody Bible Atlas, ESV Bible Atlas, ect. would be awsome!
When presenting this on the fly in a bible study or sermon I would go through Paul's Missionary Journey with the same map and double click in my Bible and have it zoom in on the various places quickly and stay with the same map until I go to a different context in the Bible. Having this ability in static maps would make it a lot faster and I would not have to pause a minute in my sermon to let the internet catch up or try to right menu click, find the right map and then try to zoom in on the location.
Visual filters could also be added in the Bible for contextual maps highlighting the various cities (for example) Paul's first Missionary Journey and this would make it easier to follow along in a Map.
And yes another vote for Carta!
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#1. Dark mode. Beyond essential for 2020.
#2. A beautiful dark mode.
#3. Beautiful touch / tablet friendliness for full app:
I was so excited many years back for the new Windows touch app, I can understand why that never panned out, but THE MAIN POINT is the same: the desktop app needs to become less bulky, more touch and tablet / 2in1 friendly, and far less slow. The mobile apps can’t begin to offer what the full desktop app can for serious study, but that doesn’t mean the bigger app shouldn’t become touch and snappy / happy friendly as well. Forget all new features, bring Logos into the current and future (mobile apps are already good here ). Anything else makes me worry about my tens of thousands investment in Logos 😿 Please say tears are not needed, I’m worried Logos is getting too dinosaurish, I have faith that this worry was premature though 😺 Yes?
As a .NET programmer, if it is not, by all means update this WPF app to net core 3.1!
Thanks guys for what you do, it’s for the Kingdom.
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John Brumett said:
Fix Maps!
The simple ability to double or single click on a place and find the right contextual map and have it zoom in on that place.
If I am in Nehemiah 2:11 and click on Jerusalem the atlas should go directly to a map of Jerusalem in Nehemiah's Day.
In Nehemiah 2:14 I could further click on Fountain Gate in my NKJV Bible and it would zoom in to that location in my map. https://ref.ly/logosres/db:biblical-places-maps?art=JerusalemInTimesOfEzraAndNehemiah
The problem with Logos 7 Maps is they are too slow and dependent on a good internet connection. Having this ability with static maps such as Logos 5 Maps or the New Moody Bible Atlas, ESV Bible Atlas, ect. would be awsome!
When presenting this on the fly in a bible study or sermon I would go through Paul's Missionary Journey with the same map and double click in my Bible and have it zoom in on the various places quickly and stay with the same map until I go to a different context in the Bible. Having this ability in static maps would make it a lot faster and I would not have to pause a minute in my sermon to let the internet catch up or try to right menu click, find the right map and then try to zoom in on the location.
Visual filters could also be added in the Bible for contextual maps highlighting the various cities (for example) Paul's first Missionary Journey and this would make it easier to follow along in a Map.
And yes another vote for Carta!
Good call! Forgot maps but I doubt they’ll do anything with it. It has been an issue since L6
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I would like to see all of the features available on the iPad.
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Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.
I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)
Now I turn to google.
Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.
I'm happy to expand on this.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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Dave Hooton said:
- remove tabbing arrows that overlap the first tab when it is not fully revealed
- Remove the large decorative Logos icon from the main toolbar
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Maps:
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Ben said:Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.
I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)
Now I turn to google.
Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.
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Ben said:
Easier/faster searching for Bible verses. I don't mean how fast a search runs; rather, I may recollect a few words from a verse, trying to look up the reference.
I used to turn to Bibleworks for this, because it was so easy to generate/run such a search. (Had to hit "escape" to get my cursor to the search bar, then ".[search terms]" enter. That's it.)
Now I turn to google.
Logos' command bar and structure are too cumbersome to do this quickly, too many steps, too much mouse clicking.
I'm happy to expand on this.
Yes, searching in general (not only searching for Bible verses) is too complex. I also use Google to search the Internet instead of Logos to search my library.
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Another thought:
Integration w/ Mac's new Touch Bar. Make one customized for Logos.
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- Sermon Editor
- Numbered bullets need to work properly.
- All bullets need to indent properly and be more robust
- Ability to markup an inserted verse
- iPad editing (even if it is just simple text editing)
- Fix export to Word. It leaves you with a document with complex formatting
- Phrasing Tool
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For me, lack of usability is the # 1 issue. Here are two examples:
- Depending on which menu you are on, you might "Add a note" or "Take a note" or "Add note". Sure, this is not a big deal but it shows that nobody so far has gone through Logos to ensure some consistent logic of usage and terminology.
- A more extensive example is described here:
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/182213/1057916.aspx#1057916
As I describe in this post, having 20 options to search for a topic is simply confusing. A while back, I switched to using Google to search for things. If I then find a reference, I check if I have this reference in my Logos library. But I wished I could do the searching in Logos.
Whenever I recommend Logos to others, I always add the caveat that it is really difficult to use. This is a pity, because if people just want to read books, Kindle is cheaper. The advantage of Logos is its power with all its datasets. But without spending a significant amount of time and money on training, this advantage cannot be used.
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Armin said:
As I describe in this post, having 20 options to search for a topic is simply confusing.
Armin, I'm not disagreeing with you on the complexity of Logos. However, your description of this particular issues may indicate that you are missing some key distinctions that would help you make sense of the Logos structure. If you are interested in getting a bit of targeted assistance, let me know.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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1) Faster searching
2) Carta resources in Logos 9
3) Hebrew OT audio
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Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God
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It was suggested that I repost my "wish" here.
For 2020, could Logos get their Logos Bible Atlas working again? I cannot get it to work in Windows 10 no matter what I do with compatibility settings. I just want it to work again.
For those who do not remember this great program:
https://www.amazon.com/Logos-Bible-Atlas-Research-Systems/dp/1577991737
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Desktop Version
- UI Improvements
- Touch/ Pen Support https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features
- Dark Mode https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-8/suggestions/3357966-night-mode-for-pc-mac
- Tab improvements
- Constant width tabs rather than variable width
- Better solution to the tiny arrows for scrolling through tabs. (I think a good idea would be a drop-down showing all of the tabs in the pane. This could even be a drop-down library window filtered by the resources in the active pane, with the ability to further filter and change the view).
- Allow multiple instances https://community.logos.com/forums/p/187160/1081591.aspx#1081591
- Multiple table of contents options https://community.logos.com/forums/p/187181/1081658.aspx#1081658
- I like the column view with the ability to sort by columns or drag a column to group by (currently in the search and word lists, for example). I think this could be added to other places as well, such as the Library window. It would be nice to have columns for author, series, etc. and be able to sort and group by these columns.
- Canvas pen support - "zero" latency, palm rejection, erasing by stroke, recognizing the Surface pen eraser, etc. OneNote is an excellent example of how pens should work. Unfortunately, until it reaches a high level I probably won't use it.
- Keep Logos the best!
- I'm interested in connected highlights. However, I hope you would do a better job than the competitor which offended my OCD tendencies! I would want them to be similar to the highlights now where they are drawn by the computer.
- I'm also interested in resource availability such as Carta and EGGNT
Android
- Additional Features
- Prayer list support (Who prays primarily in front of their computer?)
- Personal Book support (I often prefer to read/highlight on my phone)
- A better way to select a verse than a drop-down with Verse numbers.
- A way to choose the base text in the text comparison tool (or, as a next-best option, go in order of priority)
- Bug fixes
- Fix an inconsistency with linked tabs. The active verse for the active tab seems to be based on the very top of the pane (whether or not is is hidden by the navigation bar). The active verse for the linked tab seems to be right below where the navigation bar would be (whether it is visible or not). This results in strange behavior if you scroll alternately in both tabs. When the linked tab is scrolled, it becomes the active tab, and the active verse goes from the center to the top of the tab and causes the other tab to scroll backwards. The location should be the same, based on the top-most visible verse (the top of the tab if the navigation bar is hidden, or right below the navigation bar if the navigation bar is visible. This would be a much appreciated improvement!
- Clicking a link should sync linked tabs (currently I have to scroll slightly in order to trigger them to sync).
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Dennis Hilario said:
1) Faster searching
2) Carta resources in Logos 9
3) Hebrew OT audio
Unfortunately, based on another post, # 2 (carta) may not happen. Something about a Bibleware model.
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Alberto Deluca said:
Unfortunately, based on another post, # 2 (carta) may not happen. Something about a Bibleware model.
What’s apparently missing from that topical approach is the ability to read a specific book in its entirety. Citations might also be an issue, if you are unable to cite a specific title and page number.
Hoping that FL can convince Carta Jerusalem that there’s still a market for actual books!
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
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PetahChristian said:
Hoping that FL can convince Carta Jerusalem that there’s still a market for actual books!
That's it in a nutshell! Hoping indeed!
Using adventure and community to challenge young people to continually say "yes" to God
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I'd like to see the guides consolidated. It seems that the sections involved with the guides are practically available for all the various types of guides. Sure, there will be some tweaking of the one guide but simplicity would be welcome.
Logos 8 is awesome. Changing to a solid state drive made all the difference with my Logos program in respect to its speed..
David
https://echucacommunitychurch.comMacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020), 8 gig RAM, macOS Ventura.
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I know what the star element of Logos 9 should be ... even if I'm to lazy to draw the mockup. It should be the "Everything" or "Integrated" view of the data.
- First, think in terms of a full-screen panel.
- Second, for visualizing it, think of touch screen.
- Third, think of the screen as divided into 4 sections with the following content:
- A - the left most column contains facets for all the information embedded in the Guides, Interactives, Datasets, Searches, Information Panel, Lookup Panel
- B - the next column is used for expanded select, display of Fackbook popup cards, highlight color key, terminology definition popups
- C - the Bible text normally a translation with a reverse interlinear. The length of the text must be limited but must be able to contain the longest pericope and/or lection
- D - the data display area
- Fourth, believe that in an ideal implementation, users could use tables to add information missing in Logos. Examples: adding the command type (non-logical, logical, commemorative) to the Commandments of the Law or adding a new table for typology.
- Fifth, believe that in an ideal implementation, users could add a note that applied to the link (Bible word, clause, sentence, passage to a particular piece of data presented about it).
Now lets walk through what we would see in various senarios -
Bible Person
- In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
- In A: select a name from the list of all people referenced in the passage. When you select the name, several things happen
- The Bible text in C has a highlight pen style filter applied to all occurrences of the person
- In B: The standard summary popup from Facebook appears together with the color assigned to the name in the filter. If the person fills a specific role in other data applying to the passage (e.g. speaker in Reported Speech or beneficiary in Miracles of the Bible or beholder in the Theophanies in the Bible), a button to show the subfacets is provided
- One may repeat this process multiple times - each name receiving a unique color
- Using the subfacets: If one expands the subfacets, if any, from the preceding and selects one of the detailed options, several things happen
- All the highlight pen style in C for Biblical Person converts to underlines of the same color; the color key in B also reflects this switch
- The occurrence of the Biblical Person within the Theophany is highlighted pen style
- In
the Theophany Interactive (or at least the data from the appropriate entry) opens in D. - Not certain but I suspect I would treat the artifacts (i.e. media) in a way that parallels subfacets but is separate from them.
Greek Grammar
- In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
- In A: from the facet list, select a grammatical feature that occurs in the passage under study. Several things happen:
- In the appropriate Greek text is shown with, for example, all accusative nouns highlighted
- In C: the associated nouns in English are also highlighted
- In B: the definition of accusative + noun is given along with the highlight key
Notes:
- Class names should be provided for both declensions and conjugations
- A hierarchy of highlighting needs to be established so that part of speech, noun type, case, number, gender . . . can all be shown without obscuring each other.
Ancient Text
- In C: the Bible Passage that you are studying
- In A: from the facet list, select Ancient Text which does:
- In B: the standard Ancient Text list appears along with the capability to filter it by:
- the portion of the passage it covers
- corpus
- reference type
- author
- work
- In B: select a text - that text opens in D with the referenced portion highlighted but with the ability to scroll to see the text before and after
The intent is to make it possible to see all the data (including visualizations) in one cohesive form. One could choose a word and see it in the form of a Word Tree, or Bible Sense Lexicon tree, or with the relevant Clause search data from analysis view ... One could view Outlines, Pericope Comparisons, Parallel Passages (Gospels, Pauline, Jewish History) with your base text identified by a swath across the table.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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off-topic, yet relevant:
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Lee said:
off-topic, yet relevant:
Good article.
It's true, I can't see the coding. And maybe this forum isn't your average customer ... many are/were in systems. But when you keep seeing certain types of Logos bugs, you quickly surmise how they happened. Which then points to the spec, plus 80% is ok. Then, the show-stoppers get fixed, but the customer avoids the almost-done result. I can think of a whole series of examples.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
What are the most important things we should solve for Logos 9?
- What general themes or areas should we focus on?
- What bugs should we fix?
- What improvements should we make to existing features?
- What new features should we add?
- What new data sets should we build?
- What new books should we include?
I thought a bit over this. Probably I'm not your typical customer - I'm not a pastor or formally trained theologian. But I spend lots of money on Logos, and maybe there are other customers like me. I find that I read less and less in paper books, it's Logos app and the Kindle app on my mobile, and - much more frequently - Logos desktop and mainly Kindle cloud reader (Amazon's web app) on desktop. I'm happy with my two-monitor setup and the speed of Logos on my Acer Aspire F15 (not a high-end machine, but running on a SSD makes all the difference). No speed increases necessary for me, and no dark mode either.
What would I want to see in Logos 9?
- Make the homepage worth wile for me again. It's usable, yes, but not likeable. Just that the tiles look like youtube when opening up before content is shown doesn't make it cool. Seeing screenshots from the L7 homepage ribbon, with all that functionality for lectionaries, daily devotionals (nothing really that big, but seeing the readings displayed or at least coming up on mouse over really made a difference. I bought an app for my phone to get the daily Moravian texts which I used to look at daily through Logos in L7 days. Or bring back the L7 ribbon as a Tool ("lectionary ribbon" or "daily devotional tool") for the standard view. If you were to do so, you could easily save on developer time and ditch the homepage altogether. I know you won't, because it's a shop-window into things we own, things we should explore and things we should buy from you - but then, this only works if people look into the window. I started Logos to the homepage and looked at it nearly daily in L7 times because of the ribbon. The tiles without functionality don't make me want to go there ever.
- Find a way for community-sourced typo- and link corrections. This could work via shared notebooks or like the community tag - but it would make all the difference. Somehow Community Notes didn't take off, but "sharing" features are here - and users want to use them, want to see the resources in their libraries get better and better and want to feel acknowledged for spending many hours working at what in an ideal world you should be working on, but what realistically is beyond your ability to achieve - but not beyond our combined effort.
- bring on every book the publishers you're working with are putting out on the market - especially the top books. Get contracts early and put the books up for pre-sale prior to them becoming available in other venues. Gauge your ability to produce Logos versions and let everything that is beyond your capability to build as a Logos edition come in as edition:eBook the same day it's available for Kindle.
Those are the big three. Of course I'd like native support for liturgical dates (did you know that way more than 90% of protestant pastors in Germany preach from the lectionary - one not tied to any of the lectionaries supported by Logos) and a more functional UI for the PB tool. Workflows that are not restricted to one, but allow for multiple references (linked to a liturgical date, or a theme) would help. But those things we can work our way around.
See above, first bullet. First and second, if the price tag for upgrading is noticeable. I'd expect the third one to bring books that work under L8 as well.Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:What would make Logos 9 an irresistible upgrade for you?
If you want to rake in subscriptions, make PBs usable - if possible: shareable - on mobile and web for Connect subscribers. PBs are not so bad as Bob thinks. They allow you to tackle markets in foreign languages or theological traditions you are not able to serve alone. You know you can't produce the number of books the PB community churns out (and you can retain the right to revoke shared and/or mobile PBs that conflict with your own intentions of selling them, maybe even take over former PBs into your own program).
Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:If different, what should we do to win the next generation of new users?
Think hard about bringing features to the pad-sized mobile devices, either through beefed up apps for Android and whatever iPads run on, or - preferably - the web app.
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
PBs are not so bad as Bob thinks. They allow you to tackle markets in foreign languages or theological traditions you are not able to serve alone. You know you can't produce the number of books the PB community churns out (and you can retain the right to revoke shared and/or mobile PBs that conflict with your own intentions of selling them, maybe even take over former PBs into your own program).
Blessings in Christ.
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Phil Gons (Faithlife) said:
What improvements should we make to existing features?
Reuben Helmuth said:Workflows still need a lot of work before they're truly useful.
I 100% agree that we need to be able to specify a collection in the Commentary section for Workflows (also see Uservoice). Honestly, I guess I didn't read the fine print when I upgraded to Logos 8 - I assumed that this would obviously be possible and have been super disappointed that this omission hasn't been rectified. For this feature, I definitely agree with Mark:
Mark Barnes said:I appreciate that to sell upgrades to Logos 9 you need something new, but I don't think that's what Logos needs right now.
I also strongly believe that the Sermon Editor should obviously be able to handle poetic formatting and would significantly benefit from a drag-and-drop interface.
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There seems to be some confusion here. I copy and paste a lot of stuff. And I like to have the footnotes in what I paste. When I enable Copy Footnotes, Logos copies every abbreviation found in the text and then gives the explanation in the footer with the footnotes. Every time the text has LXX, the footer will say LXX Septuagint. Every abbreviated Bible version (e.g. NASB, NIV) will have that abbreviation plus its full title.
These are not footnotes. It is very time-consuming if I want to eliminate these. Logos exists to save users time in their work. I hope you will fix this.
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I third!
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I'd like to see other biblical books' explorer such as the Psalms and Proverbs explorers!
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Logos needs the ability for a user to mark resources in, say, a passage guide. There will be a lot of times where, in studying a particular passage or subject, we will use the same search tool, like the passage guide. We will have hundreds of resources to look at. We need some way to mark them as: read, helpful, not helpful, really good, refer back, etc. If I'm studying a subject over a period of time, I won't remember which journal articles I looked at, or which commentaries. I need some way to mark them so I don't repeat things I did before.
Logos 7 had an option where we could star a commentary in the passage guide if it was particularly good. This option should be back but expanded.
The simplest way would be to put, say, 5 stars next to each resource. When you hover over the stars, it gives the meaning: 1 not helpful 2 read
3 good 4 really good
this is something that some serious thought should be put into to determine how many stars and for what. But certainly at least these 4.
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Larry Craig said:
We need some way to mark them as: read, helpful, not helpful, really good, refer back, etc.
We used to have this feature in some guide sections; then we only had a note section where we could note such information; now we have nothing. Why? for two reasons: (1) the features had very little usage (2) the redesigned guides have no permanent existence on which to store the data - this solved problems re: new resources, for example. I agree that we need the function ... I'm just noting some of the issues that need to be considered in regaining the functiion.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm glad at least that you agree that we need this function. I don't understand your comment that the features had very little usage. (No need to explain yourself)
Maybe a second best solution is to make the stars a part of the resource title. We will know then which resources have been read, which are good resources, ones we like, but no we wouldn't know in a particular passage if the resource was helpful.
thank you
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Larry Craig said:
I don't understand your comment that the features had very little usage. (No need to explain yourself)
I think what MJ meant was that hardly anyone used them.
Larry Craig said:Maybe a second best solution is to make the stars a part of the resource title. We will know then which resources have been read, which are good resources, ones we like, but no we wouldn't know in a particular passage if the resource was helpful.
Are you aware that you can edit the titles of resources as they appear to you by viewing them in a Library tab? Clicking on the (i) in the Library to open the Info pane with a resource selected will allow you to edit the resource's title by clicking on the small pencil icon.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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NB.Mick said:
- Make the homepage worth wile for me again. It's usable, yes, but not likeable. [...] Seeing screenshots from the L7 homepage ribbon, with all that functionality for lectionaries, daily devotionals (nothing really that big, but seeing the readings displayed or at least coming up on mouse over really made a difference. [...] Or bring back the L7 ribbon as a Tool ("lectionary ribbon" or "daily devotional tool") for the standard view. If you were to do so, you could easily save on developer time and ditch the homepage altogether. I know you won't, because it's a shop-window into things we own, things we should explore and things we should buy from you - but then, this only works if people look into the window. I started Logos to the homepage and looked at it nearly daily in L7 times because of the ribbon.
I agree.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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I've edited hundreds of titles, including the author, so when I have a hundred Gospel of Johns, I know immediately who wrote it. Logos needs to find ways to save people time. A star system would be better than me editing titles. Plus a star is yellow and type is black. Easier to see. Save time.
Thank you
I can't imagine that few people used them. I'm sure the ones who used them really appreciated them.
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Larry Craig said:
I've edited hundreds of titles, including the author, so when I have a hundred Gospel of Johns, I know immediately who wrote it.
Likewise. Prioritization on its own only achieves so much in the Passage Guide.
Larry Craig said:Logos needs to find ways to save people time.
Yes.
Larry Craig said:A star system would be better than me editing titles. Plus a star is yellow and type is black. Easier to see. Save time.
I agree. I do think starring particular commentaries with different star counts based on the passage one is looking at is probably not terribly feasible, but being able to star particular volumes such that whenever they appear in a Passage Guide, Topic Guide, etc., there's a star present would be handy. I would probably use that feature. It would be better still if each star could be a variable user-chosen colour. (Someone might put a blue star on commentaries with excellent pastoral application, a green one on the very best grammatical analyses of the original languages, etc.)
Something like this could be connected in some way with the GUI refresh for Prioritization that's been requested earlier in this thread.
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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The text to speech feature in Mac is so helpful. However, when I do the Mac text to speech function in Logos it seeming reads what sounds like footnotes, not the text I have selected.
Please enable the Mac text to speech.
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Brandon Early said:
The text to speech feature in Mac is so helpful. However, when I do the Mac text to speech function in Logos it seeming reads what sounds like footnotes, not the text I have selected.
Please enable the Mac text to speech.
I don't understand your post. It might be helpful to create a new thread and explain your issue clearly. Specific examples with screenshots might be good too.
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