NASB 2020 AND REVISED NRSV WHEN WILL THESE BE PUBLISHED?

Mattillo said:

Will the new Zondervan NASB’s be verse-by-verse or paragraph style?

All new editions will be verse-by-verse.

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Very happy that they are keeping the verse-by-verse presentation. I really don't like it when others try to spoon-feed me or dumb things down or think for me. I fully expect Logos to offer this in the vbv style so that we can avoid the meltdown that occurred when they fiddled with this a few years back.

Also, I hope they include the dozen or so fixes I sent them over the years.

JohnB said:Hi David. I guess I am not understanding you as if anyone is spoon feeding us it is Robert Estienne (Robert Stephanus) as the divider into verses.

Okaaaaay...and?

My point is basically this: I frequently reference sections of Scripture in my prophecy-driven studies, and I find that at least as often as not, the relevant portions of a passage ignore your pal Robert's paragraph suggestions (assuming your statement about him is accurate). The NASB actually DOES indicate pericopes by means of a bolded initial letter for those verses deemed to be the beginning of a thematic thought. The NASB even, on occasion, will bold a letter in the middle of a verse when that is deemed to be a better, more appropriate starting point for a pericope than what has been set by the "received tradition". I'm totally fine with that, as the bolded letter is not intrusive enough to effect one's ability to discern for oneself where the "thought" begins.

On the other hand, altering the entire structure of the words on the page, which is exactly what "creating paragraphs" is, has a very prominent and obtrusive impact on one's ability to recognize "deep" relationships. I made this point once or twice recently in other threads, but prophecy functions much like a neutrino, in that it passes through perceived barriers (contextual barriers, in this case) as though they don't exist. That's true because ignoring such barriers is one of the designed and purposeful functional aspects of "the prophetic mechanism". To promote optimal vision, it's best if your Legos come out of the bucket disassembled, since anything pre-assembled is likely to pre-dispose your perception to a particular perspective.

MJ. Smith said:

I absolutely detest the use of verses as a unit of reading or study. I consider verse numbers to be the equivalent of the line numbers on legal documents - useful for finding/describing one's place but nothing else.

Well, I agree. Following what I said before, I fairly often find myself quoting only a partial section of a verse since there are plenty of verses in the Bible that should have been split, and others that should have been combined. The variation between the Hebrew and English delineation of chapters is just one tangible example of how making such choices can inhibit an accurate conception of what's being relayed in the text. Both the English and the Hebrew divisions contain rather obvious missteps, in my opinion. But for serving as functional pointers, something like chapter and verse is necessary. Given that there is a fairly copious amount of dispute even about what constitutes a sentence at times, someone is always going to be dissatisfied with any systematized paradigm. If one sought to number sentences of books, would you do it according to the original language, or not? It happens fairly often in translation that the original sentences are broken up into smaller, more manageable segments. At some point, you just have to go along to get along.

David Paul said:Following what I said before, I fairly often find myself quoting only a partial section of a verse

Pretty much every time I decide to quote only a section of a verse, I can almost audibly hear the howls of people who will respond as if that is some kind of prima facie violation of hermeneutic principles--a denial or rejection of contextual integrity. It can be, of course (Rabbinic Judaism is literally established upon such a violation), but there are plenty of verses that bridge two widely varying thoughts.

I wonder if the delay is related to the developments in the critical Greek text.

No verses, no paragraphs, no chapter divisions, no pericope headings ... I couldn't agree more!  But don't forget the punctuation, capitalization, spaces between words, and the interpretation of where one sentence ends and another begins.  In fact, let's only accept modern English texts that match what was originally written:

BUTNOWAPARTFROMTHELAWTHERIG

HTEOUSNESSOFGODHASBEENMANIF

ESTEDBEINGWITNESSEDBYTHELAWA

NDTHEPROPHETSEVENTHERIGHTEOU

SNESSOFGODTHROUGHFAITHINJESU

SCHRISTFORALLTHOSEWHOBELIEVE

FORTHEREISNODISTINCTIONFORALLH

AVESINNEDANDFALLSHORTOFTHEGL

ORYOFGODBEINGJUSTIFIEDASAGIFTB

YHISGRACETHROUGHTHEREDEMPTIO

NWHICHISINCHRISTJESUSWHOMGODD

ISPLAYEDPUBLICLYASAPROPITIATIONI

NHISBLOODTHROUGHFAITHTHISWAST

ODEMONSTRATEHISRIGHTEOUSNESS

BECAUSEINTHEFORBEARANCEOFGO

DHEPASSEDOVERTHESINSPREVIOUS

LYCOMMITTEDFORTHEDEMONSTRATIO

NISAYOFHISRIGHTEOUSNESSATTHEPR

ESENTTIMESOTHATHEWOULDBEJUSTA

NDTHEJUSTIFIEROFTHEONEWHOHASF

AITHINJESUS

And, those new translations had better come on either papyrus or vellum before I'll buy 'em!

Denise said:

I vote for vellum.

I meant the post as an argument "reductio ad absurdum" in order to say that, ever since the original ink dried, "meaning" has been, and always will be, a matter of interpretation.  Whether mere typography, or original thought, or logic of an argument, or whatever, it all involves interpretation.  And, whether you must deal with verses, or paragraphs, or start/stop of sentences, or the logic of an argument, or whatever, it is always incumbent upon the teacher/preacher to be a faithful guide.  Therefore, I would worry less about how it is presented on the paper, than if I am, with full logical consistency, faithfully presenting the meaning and proper interpretation of the original thought.

ps. Actually, it was very simple to do (praise be to Word).  Had I decided to strip out the vowels, t wld hv bn pn n th bzoo!

The NASB 2020 is available now. Tim Frisch just posted a review to his YouTube channel of the new NASB 2020 Bible that he bought. You can watch his review here: NASB 2020 Large Print Ultrathin in Grey Leathertex (A Frisch Perspective). I'm not sure when the Logos edition will be available though.