Logos and Verbum
What is the relationship between these two programs? I have had Logos. I am interested in things Catholic and noticed I could download Verbum 7 for free. I did, and I didn't see anything different, so I figured they were incorporated into one. Today I noticed the Verbum icon on my desktop, clicked it, and it's been downloading for hours. These can't all be unique resources to Verbum. Am I getting duplicate resources? I got the impression that in Verbum, the passage guide includes more features.
How can I get the most out of each program? Can the features of one be used in the other?
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- The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
- A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
- The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
- There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
- Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
- An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
- The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)
- The default priorities of a few resources are adjusted (you can recreate this yourself).
- A couple of system collections are made available (you can recreate this yourself).
- The default guide templates look a little different (you can recreate this using your own custom templates).
- There's a slightly different list of resources that download by default before starting the application on a fresh install.
- Some URLs in the application point to verbum.com instead of logos.com.
- An extended default Cannon beyond the 66 books of the Protestant Cannon (thanks, DoC)
- The ability to show Saint of the Day in home page with a link to reading about the Saint (thanks, DoC)
Others can give you a bit more detail...
1) Both Logos and Verbum share the same library. You will have the same books and datasets with both programs.
2) If you have the appropriate license - which obviously you do, you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes" in the command box.
3) In Logos mode, it defaults to the Protestant canon. In Verbum mode it defaults to the canon defined at Trent. I believe it integrates a bit of Saints days, but have not really looked into it.
While hard drive space is cheap nowadays, I personally see no reason to have my library downloaded twice, and having to index twice, etc. Personally I would uninstall Verbum and play around in Logos in Verbum mode for when I want Verbum.
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I'm interested in being able to switch back and forth. I'm not clear on how to do that.
Ken explained:
you can make Logos look and work as Verbum by putting "Set Verbum to Yes"
The reverse would be "No"
I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.
Verbum is intended for a Catholic audience. Not all users would appreciate those features.
I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos. Are they going to download all of them again? They must be smarter than that.
It isn't intended for users to install both apps... although some users do so.
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I don't understand how to switch back and forth
I(n the Command Box type, "Set Verbum" the dropdown should then look like this
Clicking the appropriate command (tool) should switch you from one to the other
I have Logos by default, but also bought Verbum basic for free for some of the resources / features that came with it. However, I've not yet actively used Verbum instead of Logos. By this thread I figured out that we can set Verbum to Yes.
My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
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My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
Not much.
There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
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My question is: what will be different if I 'set Verbum to Yes'?
Not much.
There's probably a couple other items I'm not remembering, but not much of significance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to note is that it would not be surprising if, at some point in the future, this command gets removed from the application (I have no details on when or if this might occur). It's existence causes a few problems that we'd like to eliminate at some point.
I don't do Verbum but I'd think it would be fun to have a Saint of the day option to read about... maybe that is just me though
It seems everything in Logos is in Verbum but not the other way around. If I'm wrong, I hope somebody corrects me.
Logos has some passage guide sections to external sites that are not in Verbum. The new Help cards are not in Verbum.
Verbum has some default collections that are not in Logos.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I don't understand why they wouldn't keep them more uniform.
Neither do I. But, trust me, you don't want my opinion ... far too long and detailed. Let's just say I usually turn to belief-revision logic to discuss the issues. I understand why Faithlife maintains two product lines but I believe that FL erroneously believes that there is a definable line between the two groups of users. There is not - there is a continuum. FL could cut costs by keeping the underlying code uniform and recognizing the continuum.
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If your opinion is in written form . . .
It is more a matter of language as I discovered when trying to explain to a Christian Scientist why an anthropology class was using Christian Science as an example for the life-cycle of a cult. She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
She couldn't get past her own negative associations with the word "cult" to understand the neutral anthropological definition that assumes all religions begin as a cult.
Sitting here laughing at the situation. I can imagine it happening within my own denomination.
We could do with a symbol to be used next to a word such as "cult" to signify that it was being used in a technical, non-pejorative sense.
I don't understand how to switch back and forth
In the command bar, next to tools enter Set Verbum to Yes.
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Verbum and Logos do not share files so you may have both installed on your system.... you could manually copy over the resources into the new verbum folder....
-dan
The engines (software) is virtually identical. For most users, they should choose one and stick with it. Having both does mean 2x storage space taken, so yes, you are downloading duplicate notes & resources.
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I would think that Logos and Verbum would want to make all the features accessible for both programs.
I have maybe 20,000 books in Logos. Are they going to download all of them again? They must be smarter than that.