Level of User Control over the Appliation
Logos 4 has made a positive move in taking away a lot of the grunt work in managing our libraries. This is something that has been long requested. Has the pendulum swung too far though and taken too much control away from the user.
George suggested I start a thread up on this issue so Logos can gauge feeback on what we would like to have better control over.
Two hot issues at the moment are re-indexing and downloading, and they do impact on each other as dowloading leads to re-indexing A good thread dicussing the issue of downloads can be found here. It discusses issues of knowing exactly what it is we are downloading before we download it.
There have also been numerous calls for be able to schedule downloading and re-indexing to a more suitable time for the user rather than it just happening in the background automatically. Ths automatic downloading has been of concern particulary to those who may be using their computer on the road, or hooked up via a internet connection at work, or those who have download limits per month with either extra charges for going over the limit or their acces speed is cut-down to dial-up speed - this would be a nightmare if one was in the middle of downloading a 500MB update.
I had issues with my systerm locking up while it was indexing and everytime comptuer restarted it would start indexing again, lock up and I would have to reboot again... the only way I got out of this cycle was to reboot into safe-mode and do a system restore to a point before this automatic process started. There should be a way for a user to gracefully stop a process.
Another area of concern for me in terms of Account Management is there is no option to export and import a license key. Yes the cloud handles this for us and that's great, but what happens if you can't access the cloud, and for whatever reason, need to restore your license - there is no way for the user to do this... You have probably made a significant financilal invesment in this product but there is no way for you to re-install the application and your license to acces your files if you outside the cloud. At that point the financial investment becomes worthless.
Are there other things you would like to see more control over please add your thoughts here. For instance you might want a stop button on a guide to stop it generating, Whether it be something I've already touched on in this post or something different., feel free to add those issues to this thread. Remember Logos has asked us to participate in this program in order for them to get honest feeback on where they are at in meeting our needs as users of the product, so this is your chance to help shape this product. It is ok to say there is an aspect of the program you are not happy with as it currently stands.
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- Update x, y, z resources 45 MB (requires Indexing) [Yes] [No]?
- Update a, b, c data items 12 MB (no indexing required) [Yes] [No]?
- Indexing to start after downloading [Yes] [No]?
here. For instance you might want a stop button on a guide to stop it generating, Whether it be something I've already touched on in this post or something different., feel free to add those issues to this thread. Remember Logos has asked us to participate in this program in order for them to get honest feeback on where they are at in meeting our needs as users of the product, so this is your chance to help shape this product. It is ok to say there is an aspect of the program you are not happy with as it currently stands.
A good one I just read read in another thread that I had thoughts about while using beta 1 is the ability to turn off pericope guessing.
Control over home page options is being discussed here here
I believe another common request was for the ability to designate your resource location, for example an external HDD that many would prefer to use for the gigs of Logos resources.
Straight from the devs: "The installation folder will be able to be set when the
user first installs the program. Resources will be stored relative to this
folder. There will be no way to change Resource location after
installation."
Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. Andrew,
What I would like is an option to turn off the pictures of each resource; it takes up space and is distracting to me.
What I am trying to judge in myself is "do I not yet like v. 4 because I like v. 3 and know version 3-don't like change, or do I not like v. 4 because it is not intuitive to me or user friendly and thus hard to use and learn. Somewhat philosophical but based on the practical. My number one goal is to answer that question. Thanks for all you do, Andrew!
Are there other things you would like to see more control over please add your thoughts here. For instance you might want a stop button on a guide to stop it generating, Whether it be something I've already touched on in this post or something different., feel free to add those issues to this thread. Remember Logos has asked us to participate in this program in order for them to get honest feeback on where they are at in meeting our needs as users of the product, so this is your chance to help shape this product. It is ok to say there is an aspect of the program you are not happy with as it currently stands.
A thread on user control over auto saving of searches has started here
There have also been numerous calls for be able to schedule downloading and re-indexing to a more suitable time for the user rather than it just happening in the background automatically.
I had issues with my systerm locking up while it was indexing and everytime comptuer restarted it would start indexing again, lock up and I would have to reboot again...
This seems like a great idea to me ... I have also had numerous lockups while the machine was reindexing. I don't know if this is just because it's Beta or not, but "a way for a user to gracefully stop a process" with the ability to have it resume a a later time would be nice
Laptop:Vista Business SP2 32-bit OS / Intel Duo Core P8400@2.26Ghz / 3-Gigs RAM
There have also been numerous calls for be able to schedule downloading and re-indexing to a more suitable time for the user rather than it just happening in the background automatically.I had issues with my systerm locking up while it was indexing and everytime comptuer restarted it would start indexing again, lock up and I would have to reboot again...This seems like a great idea to me ... I have also had numerous lockups while the machine was reindexing. I don't know if this is just because it's Beta or not, but "a way for a user to gracefully stop a process" with the ability to have it resume a a later time would be nice
My 2.5 year old Core 2 Duo laptop shut down twice during Indexing. I had to use a household fan to direct cooling air at it until the process had completed! Nothing wrong with its internal fan, just the strain of continual 99% usage on both cores. I think the Indexer design could throw in some idle loops occasionally or offer a choice to "Index for xx minutes and resume after x minute"?
Background automatic updates are the issue. Give us the level of control we have with v3 Updates and a further level of control to manage the Indexing e.g.
The client interface (Logos4) can provide info on startup - -> "You now have 35 resources and 12 data items to index. Start Indexing [Yes] [No]"
Dave
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Another area of concern for me in terms of Account Management is there is no option to export and import a license key. Yes the cloud handles this for us and that's great, but what happens if you can't access the cloud, and for whatever reason, need to restore your license - there is no way for the user to do this... You have probably made a significant financilal invesment in this product but there is no way for you to re-install the application and your license to acces your files if you outside the cloud. At that point the financial investment becomes worthless.
Hi Andrew, good points, I will request from the devs if there is any mechanism like the one you are talking about already implemented. Restore your license, you mean in case you uninstall the program, or something unpredictable happens and you don't have the internet?
I think Andrew's point is very well taken and really significant. There are many things that could affect "the cloud" and then could impact us. This gets at the very heart of user control.Another area of concern for me in terms of Account Management is there is no option to export and import a license key. Yes the cloud handles this for us and that's great, but what happens if you can't access the cloud, and for whatever reason, need to restore your license - there is no way for the user to do this... You have probably made a significant financilal invesment in this product but there is no way for you to re-install the application and your license to acces your files if you outside the cloud. At that point the financial investment becomes worthless.
Hi Andrew, good points, I will request from the devs if there is any mechanism like the one you are talking about already implemented. Restore your license, you mean in case you uninstall the program, or something unpredictable happens and you don't have the internet?
Andrew, a nicely put expression of concerns (better than my more recent intemperate outburst).
The other area over which I would like more control is datatypes. This has also come up often. I know that this is being addressed. How it is being addressed is not yet clear.