New World Translation?

Yes, I too would like to know if  "New World Translation" is available in Logos. I have an esword version that I found somewhere on the Internet (don't remember where) - and it is so nice to have it available for reference. But I would be happy to have in Logos as well. Maybe it's a copyright question and that's the reason why it has been removed?

From what I understand (I am not a Jehovah's Witness or affiliated in any way) they don't allow anyone to have the NWT. The one for e-Sword was done without their consent and if you find it in any other software program chances are it's a copyright violation. They do have their own software (I have it) but it is very hard to get. You might find their software on the Internet auction sites.

Fortunately I have all the WT material on a DVD as far back as 1950. Very good information, including the NWT. I received this from a Witness friend last week and have found it very usful for understanding what the Witnesses are thinking and how they view those (me) outside the organization.

As I mentioned in a previous forum, I'd like to see all of their resources in L4. Probably not too hard to do, one only needs to be able to convince the WT to give permission to do so.

Milkman said:

Probably not too hard to do, one only needs to be able to convince the NWT to give permission to do so.

Easier said than done.  One of my co-workers was a JW and constantly trying to sell me literature. I was told they are required to charge a price because prospects would not otherwise read the literature. (Quite a contrast to my contacts with Mormon evangelists.) I did buy an official Watchtower publications CD off an auction site. The LDS publications are also avilable on CD from the copyright holders. Both groups are obviously missing out on the search capabilities of Logos 4. Maybe they don't want the scrutiny that would result.

My roomate from Bible college actually had need of those collections when he joined Mission to the Mormons in Salt Lake City. With my limited interaction, I have found the Logos apologetics material much more useful in evangelizing JWs and Mormons than reading their publications. There are old public domain books in PDF format but it would be cool to run a Bible Version River comparison on NWT vs others. [^o)]

Eric Ruhnow said:

Their own software includes a license agreement that states that you must be a "baptized publisher" in good standing with the WTS to even install it.

Uh, oh. That is news to me. I wonder where an apostate goes on judgement day if he didn't read their EULA. [6]

Matthew C Jones said:

... With my limited interaction, I have found the Logos apologetics material much more useful in evangelizing JWs and Mormons than reading their publications...

Matthew,
Which Logos apologetics resources or packages did you find helpful in this regard?

I have way too much distractions in life to justify the want of a nwt for myself. . I just can't see myself with a nwt.  Apologetically speaking it may be of value. I could see a use for people with specific gifts.   I do have a dead tree version 1901 ASV that was used by JW.  The forward of the book is all JW dogma, but the bible is a true ASV.  I guess it is rejected by JW since they have updated their scripture to nwt.,

Marcus Baird said:

Where are the PBB resources?

http://www.stilltruth.com/page/libronix_pbb_files

They only work in Libronix (Logos 3), though. PBB has not been implemented yet for L4, though it is planned for a future release. Presumably (hopefully) all those old PBB titles will be able to be imported/converted to the new PBB format. A huge amount of labor and love has gone into creating them.

Chris said:

I have way too much distractions in life to justify the want of a nwt for myself.

I really do not want the NWT - but I can understand why some might.  As a Wesleyan, I find two grave errors made both ourselves and others.  We tend to criticize straw men - those from a Wesleyan perspective tend to be critical of our Calvinist/Reformed (or any other branch that differs) brethern based on our definition of Calvinism and the Reformed traditions - rather than reading those works for ourselves.  Similarly, those from a Calvinist, Reformed, etc., perspective, tend to be critical of their own definition of Wesleyan/Arminian theology.

I am glad that I attended Trinity Evangelical Divinity School where we used Strong as our theological text.  I was privileged to sit under the teaching of such men as Kaiser and Geisler.  I came out a Wesleyan, but have a better understanding the Calvinist or Baptist perspective than some of my other Wesleyan brothers.  I do wonder how many from a Calvinist perspective have read Watson, Pope, or Miley (all three are available on-line, Miley is available in Logos, Pope is currently listed as a community pricing title).

I will not be looking for a NWT, but given my comments above, I can understand why others may.

Floyd, thanks so much for making this point, I have a ministry which allows me to give out free bible software and teach believers how to use it.  I run across believers from many different traditions, and I have seen what you are talking about over and over.

In fact, most people want me to tell them what I believe, and I tell them I believe the bible is what I should believe and follow, and that is why I spend so much of my time reading and researching what the scriptures say.  Of course this drives most people nuts, they just have to put a tag on me, but I do not allow it.

If I am with a Calvinist and I am teaching them how to study the scriptures without them knowing it we are soon dealing with one verse after another that is difficult for most Calvinist to deal with, the same is true of any other position.  I try to make them dig into the word of God and question their own position without ever letting them know what we are doing.

I have recently requested that people bid on that 3 volume set you have mentioned bt Pope, even if they are Calvinist so they could use it to understand more about their non-Calvinist brothers and sisters.

The more I grow in the knowledge of Christ, through Him being revealed to me by the Holy Spirit through the scrriptures, the more I love those brothers that disagree with me. I kind of like that!

Let the straw men be slain! They have never helped anyone!

In Christ,

Jim

JimVanSchoonhoven said:

I have recently requested that people bid on that 3 volume set you have mentioned bt Pope, even if they are Calvinist so they could use it to understand more about their non-Calvinist brothers and sisters.

It is difficult to follow the line of thought here...how did this jump from providing the NWT in L4 and Jehovah's Witnesses to Calvinists vs. non-Calvinists? [:^)]

JimVanSchoonhoven said:

the more I love those brothers that disagree with me.

Not at all meaning that JW's are brothers, right?

JimVanSchoonhoven said:

I try to make them dig into the word of God and question their own position without ever letting them know what we are doing.

This would be one tactic if one wanted to use the NWT for sharing the Good News.  It has enough truth in it that I believe one could show a person that Jesus Christ is God.  But, because of the greater amount of error, I don't personally see a benefit in having the NWT in a chemical (silicon) version in Logos4.

Docsimple said:

1. Only talk about one topic: the divinity of Jesus. If we don't insist on this (and even when we do) the conversation gets off topic very quickly and we end up talking about things such as who the 144,000 are in Revelation.

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I remember my first encounter with them when I was a young Christian. Their opening question was "do you believe in War?" and for the next 45 minutes, they drug me through every philosophical knothole and swamp there was, until I finally had to ask them to please go away.

It was a good lesson though, keep the conversations focused.

Using the link from Si Cochran, go to their site, go to read  Bible online, then choose the Epub download.  Once you have that you can convert the book to rtf format using freeware calibre software (it takes about 7 minutes to convert).  Once you have it in rtf, open it in MS Word, go at least to ea book title and change the title to heading type 1 or title (otherwise you'll have no table of contents links in Logos), and then save as docx.  Open your Logos4, go to my tools > personal books > add Book and add the file and cover image, and be sure change type to Bible > then build you book.  This doesn't convert as a regular Bible, there are no verse links and it does not integrate into the rest of Logos like normal Bible resources, but it does get the text in front of you.

This use of docx format in Logos is amazing.  You can look something up on Wiki, copy and paste to Word, save as docx and import into Logos through this means.  You have to remove the hyperlinks while in Word by rt clicking over them and choose remove hyperlinks... but now that you build it as a book in Logos 4 all Scripture refs are now linked in Logos.  It's pretty awesome.  Look up something like "the Book of Revelation" in Wiki and copy and paste a sample w/ lots of Bible refs.  Enjoy your study

for study of the JW cult, don't forget equip.org  http://www.equip.org/category/jehovahs-witnesses/