OT Use Of OT Concordance Results Using 8 Different Versions

Beloved Amodeo
Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

The Concordance Tool generates widely divergent results among varying translations. I presume it has something to do with how the version is footnoted, but I'm far from sure. I would welcome an explanation from someone well informed on the matter. I dredged up an old thread upon researching methods to investigate OT intertextuality; Graham's method impressed me as being very elegant, but its' inconsistency among translations concerns me, I'd like to know more. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173348/1000349.aspx#1000349

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ASV 0

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  • Justin Gatlin
    Justin Gatlin Member, MVP Posts: 2,093

    You are correct that all the concordance tool is doing is identifying footnotes. I do not think it will give you Old Testament references of the Old Testament like you are looking for. Unfortunately, the most likely candidate (am intertext search) is only tagged for OT->NT. I don't know if more complete tagging within the testaments is in the works or not.

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  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,806

    Yes - the problem with my suggestion in that other thread is it depends on the cross-referencing provided by the translators. And, as you have seen, this varies by translation.

    The same issue applies to other approaches outlined in that thread.

    There isn't any other set of tagging that can be used - that I am aware of - to do what you are looking for.

    The Cross References section in the Passage Guide might help

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,876
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1151720#Comment_1151720

    Graham Criddle said:

    The Cross References section in the Passage Guide might help

    Or you can search NTSK:

    • using a passage range of Gen-Mal for  <Dt>  i.e. all references to Dt in the OT
    • using a passage range of Dt for  <Gen-Mal>  i.e. all OT references in the book of Dt

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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1151738#Comment_1151738

    I thank you all for your input, explanation, and suggestions. I'm in search of a comprehensive treatment of this subject that ideally behaves like the Interactive available for the NT which identifies the allusions, citations, echoes, and quotations for the selected verses. I'm fully aware that FL has yet to deliver this resource. NTSK although a wonderful work does not offer a complete treatment of these areas. 

    Now that it has been established that there does not exist a satisfactory way to generate this information with Logos. I hope you all will join me in pushing for a Interactive Tool similar in conception to that which exists for the NT. I also look forward to the release of the Old Testament Use of the Old Testament: A Book by Book Guide. Vote here: https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/interactive-old-testament-use-of-the-old-testament 

    I'm aware that Phil Gons has posted an idea to add OT use of OT to the Bible Books Explorer. I would prefer an interactive as I believe it would be more comprehensive. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • David Paul
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    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1151747#Comment_1151747

    If you are looking for "comprehensive", it simply doesn't exist and probably can't exist. At the very least it would take dozens if not hundreds or thousands of sets of eyes rolling up their sleeves and doing the leg work. It has a lot to do with perspective, as well, and some perspectives can't see things that others do, and versa vice. To approach what you want, you're best bet would probably be a wiki that people could add to. That would require some curating, of course...fit throwing to follow.

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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1151768#Comment_1151768

    David Paul said:

    If you are looking for "comprehensive", it simply doesn't exist and probably can't exist. At the very least it would take dozens if not hundreds or thousands of sets of eyes rolling up their sleeves and doing the leg work. It has a lot to do with perspective, as well, and some perspectives can't see things that others do, and versa vice. To approach what you want, you're best bet would probably be a wiki that people could add to. That would require some curating, of course...fit throwing to follow.

    I'm disappointed of course, but at least I have an answer. Thanks, David. Perhaps, my best hope is Phil Gon's idea. I've voted and commented twice. I hope it becomes a reality.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.2 1TB SSD

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