installation directory is where??????

No Joke Dean. 

That set up avoids Microsofts "security" settings that prevent programs from writing to the programs directory after setup.  Unless you want to constantly click UAC dialogs, this is a better way.

Damian McGrath said:

Dean Chao said:

just installed logos4 (upgrade from 3), followed the email instruction, selected default for the handful of questions asked...... and voila!! logos4 is installed in the "c:\documents and settings\myname\local settings\application data" instead of "c:\program files"

A number of programs do the same - Google Chrome for example.

BTW. You could probably try the work around for installing on multiple computers to reinstall the program to a directory of your choice without a new mega-download or rebuilding the index. Search the forums for "multiple computers"

Dean,

Yes - in some ways the choice of directory path seemed strange to me too.

HOWEVER, if you think about it, the main program is tiny. Most of the rest is user-specific configuration, settings, collections, notes, search history, and resources licensed to a single user, and indexes of stuff for a single user. Hence, it seems right from that angle, to treat all that as just application data, and unique to the user in question.

For user "." that asked the other question: In principle, none of the data, or resource licenses can be used by the other logins on the PC. The books are licensed to a single user, and the notes, files, prayer lists etc, are specific to that one user.

Incidently, I am a single user who lives alone.  Yet I have multiple user accounts on my one computer.  Most people do likewise ... because Windows recommends it...

Per standard Windows protocol, I have an Adminstrator user account (for all administrative tasks requiring administrator permissions), a Standard user account (which I use daily and precludes administrator permissions - thereby providing a layer of protection from any unauthorized network access), and a Guest user account.

The Guest user account is rarely used.  But when used, it does preclude guest access to my private data while allowing them to access their email and surf the web while visiting.  As nonbelievers, they don't access Logos (I wish they'd be so inclined.)

So that's at least 2 legitimate user accounts.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most software licenses per computer, not per user (if more than one user per PC)?  Google Chrome is free.

So if a family has a husband, a wife, say five kids, and one computer, Logos requires the family to purchase 7 copies of the software and 7 copies of all resources?  Think that's reasonable?  Not exactly a policy designed to encourage children to discover Biblical resources.

One might say, "But multiple persons can use Logos from one shared user account."  Putting aside the inconvenience of doing that, then the licensing policy is not per computer, not per person, but per user account.  See any inconsistency there? 

(Moreover, can you imagine if every application required users to set up a special user account dedicated solely for all users on that computer to access only that particular software application - but not individuals' confidential personal data?  Then like me, most people would have 20+ user accounts on their computer.  Is that reasonable?)

Oh, and yes, it apparently is okay to for a single person to use multiple copies of Logos4 on two (or more?) computers.  Is it okay for that same person to use multiple copies on the same computer through different user accounts?   But then it is not okay for the same person to use a single copy (in the C:Program Files directory) on the same computer through different user accounts?  See any inconsistency there?

Still want to defend this policy?

So instead of following long established industrywide practice, Logos4 has it's own practice - differing from Logos3 and to the great inconvenience of it users - and it does not see fit to disclose in advance that not only does this practice require the purchase of duplicate software and resources for each user account  but also that this practice requires atypical installation in one or more user account(s) rather than the C:Program Files directory and requires the availability of hard disk space to store duplicate software and resources for each user account.

BTW, the Logos download is nearly 9GB per user on my PC and my user/appdata/local/Logos4 folder is nearly 16GB per user.  That's excluding resources which will be much, much more.  That's hardly "tiny".

. said:

So if a family has a husband, a wife, say five kids, and one
computer, Logos requires the family to purchase 7 copies of the
software and 7 copies of all resources?  Think that's reasonable?  Not
exactly a policy designed to encourage children to discover Biblical
resources.

One might say, "But multiple persons can use Logos from one shared
user account."  Putting aside the inconvenience of doing that, then the
licensing policy is not per computer, not per person, but per user
account.  See any inconsistency there? 

Bob Pritchett has responded to their license policy here:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265

It from pre-Logos 4, but it still applies.  And see also the EULA that Dave linked to above.

. said:

But then it is not okay for the same person to use a single copy (in the C:Program Files directory) on the same computer through different user accounts?

My understanding is that this technical decision, not a policy decision, to allow Logos to update itself and its data regularly.  The Program Files directory is protected and would interfere with the way Logos maintains itself:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/3235/24608.aspx#24608

. said:

BTW, the Logos download is nearly 9GB per user on my PC and my user/appdata/local/Logos4 folder is nearly 16GB per user.  That's excluding resources which will be much, much more.  That's hardly "tiny".

Why do you say that's excluding resources?  They are in that directory.  The resources and the index files are the bulk of the stuff in the Logos4 directory.  The executable install is about 40MB.

Also, would you please your name on the forum? A '.' is rather difficult to talk to [:P]

Ray said:

No thanks, I'll not install in a Documents and Settings folder as Damian did for that's a folder from which a regularly do data backups.  Yeah, I could redesignate the backup procedure to include all subfolders excluding the Logos4 folder, but I don't think it's worth the hassle. 

Actually, backing up the Logos4 folder is a good idea.  It will back up the resources, indexes and user data.  I do it regularly.  You can restore a working Logos environment fairly easily with it: install the executable from the website, and then copy the backed-up Logos4 directory over the top of the newly created one.  It is quick and it avoids downloading resources and indexing.

(BTW, that method of restoring isn't officially supported, but it works, and it is also a good way to install Logos4 on multiple computers, as documented here: http://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers)

Ray said:

No thanks, I'll not install in a Documents and Settings folder as Damian did for that's a folder from which a regularly do data backups. 

I have no idea where you got the idea that I installed to a "Documents and Settings" folder as I did not suggest that above nor do I have Logos4 installed this way on my computer.