Liturgy of the Hours/Breviary for Verbum??

Before you get all carried away, Verbum committed to selling the prayer book as a resource They did not commit to selling a prayer app. Anything beyond being able to navigate the prayer book at a functional level equivalent to navigating the missal will be "frosting on the cake".

Interestingly, a search ( https://verbum.com/search?query=liturgy%20of%20the%20hours&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe ) gets "The complete, official four-volume English edition of the Liturgy of the Hours (Divine Office) presented in an easy-to-use digital interface for daily prayer." That text does not show up on https://www.logos.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite.

That does seem to be the “smoking gun” in this case 

I disagree.  I think if they can't get it to work reliably it's better to just remove it.   Not spending the effort to make it a true home page item that would "pull together" a complete day by hour (office of readings, noon etc etc) really demonstrates a lack of understanding by those who ultimately are running logos but are not Catholic of just what this prayer is supposed to be.   Software developers who care about the authentic practice of the Catholic faith as opposed to just marketing gimmicks would use this license once acquired to do something at least as awesome as iBreviary.  Otherwise it's truly just that - a marketing gimmick to show "catholicity"

lack of understanding by those who ultimately are running logos but are not Catholic

Caution: please don't limit this to a Catholic issues, especially not just a Latin rite Catholic issue. The problem similarly occurs for the Anglicans,  some Lutheran, and the Orthodox - Eastern and Oriental.  Faithlife needs to implement the global solution, not just a Latin-rite Catholic bandaid.

On the other hand, this is the “Catholic Products” subforum and we are talking about a Catholic product that was released in a subpar condition compared to what we had been led to expect.

We can look at Patrick Fleischmann‘s opinion and ask whether it accurately explains why FL sees the LOTH release as mildly flawed instead of fatally. And I’m not opposed to your point either if FL’s approach impacts these other group. But I don’t think his wanting a fix is asking for a ”Latin-rite Catholic bandaid.”

We recognize that this is confusing and we plan on removing it until we can get to a place where it works on all days.

Today may be the best example of a day (and a reason) why this will be impossible.

Today is the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church. This is a movable feast that occurs on the Monday after Pentecost on the Universal Calendar. Everyone praying LotH today, unless they happen to have a local feast that supersedes this Memorial, is obligated to pray the prayers of this Memorial. It's not even an Optional Memorial. This Memorial also isn't in the four-volume LotH, because this Memorial is decades newer than the four-volume LotH. (Not only that, but the English prayers and readings for this Memorial still haven't been released... and when they are released, they won't be magically added to the four volume breviary.) For now, the correct thing to do is to use the Prayers from the Common in the customary fashion for Memorials. That should be fun to code... and still more fun to figure out for people who aren't up on all the ins and outs of the liturgical calendar. And this Memorial is far from the only feast on the worldwide liturgical calendar that is not in LotH.

I expect that the most practical way to get what people are asking for--a near-iBreviary experience of praying LotH in Verbum--would be for Faithlife to license the annual guides for the Breviary, probably the national ones for the States. Otherwise, Faithlife would have to create one itself, much as it has done for Catholic Daily Readings, except with links to LotH rather than readings. In either case, you would be dealing with a Verbum resource--an ordo--that is not itself LotH.

If I recall correctly, FL said they had plans for the revised version once it was approved. Presumably the Memorial would be found there.

Presumably.

(My Divine Office did have it).

As does iBreviary... using the Commons.

I can understand if FL can’t provide material not found in the four volumes and suppliment.

The trick with today's Memorial is that, even though FL can't provide (not-yet-existent) material specific to this Memorial, a "Today" button or Homepage card should bring the user to the Common because it would be wrong to send the user to the Monday of the Eighth Week in Ordinary Time. However, that would really confuse people who don't know that today is a Memorial (in the universal calendar).

I didn't even mention the difficulty that a Today button wouldn't solve the problem of people not knowing what sections they can (or must) take from the Common... something controlled, in today's case, by the rank of the day. The GILH does spell out what you can (or must) take from the Common for feasts of any given rank, but the LotH doesn't include today's Memorial at all, so you need an external information source in order to know that today is a Memorial, never mind which Memorial.

I guess I was talking at a cross purpose.

But I still agree with your points. [Y] (Though I do think that the LotH home page card should point to the correct spot in whatever ordo FL licenses or creates for LotH.)

WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!

EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!

Faithlife has a TOTAL FAIL on this one.  I was so encouraged when this was announced - that Verbum was going to be a TRULY Catholic Rite ready resource.   This makes it embarrassingly apparent it's a Protestant resource trying to cross market to Catholics. 

Faithlife has a TOTAL FAIL on this one.

I understand what users want - an interactive for using the Liturgy of the Hours. But please keep in mind that Verbum has delivered what they advertised - a usable electronic facsimile of the 4 volume print copy. I am experimenting with various options for building a shareable daily/service liturgy tool - either like the lectionary tool that calls in the appropriate texts or a reading list that branches to them...I have some other projects to finish before I can seriously churn out the necessary text.

For Faithlife not to respond in some way (with action to improve the product) gives the customers the impression that they don't care. 

I don't think that is the message that they really want to send? At least I hope not.   

perhaps their motto (after their response to the shopping cart icon) could be

et consueuerint ad eam [;)]

M.J. Smith,

Unfortunately, that's not the description Verbum had earlier. What it used to say has been deleted.

This is what it used to say before it was changed.  It was changed after I posted paraphrasing it on Saturday May 22, 2021.  I know this because I checked to see what the wording was, and to be sure it said what I remember it said, which it did, so I posted my remark.  It was there then but it's been removed.  Thanks to archive.org the wording is preserved:

This edition features the standard four volume presentation of the liturgy of the hours. The Verbum software aligns the prayers of each day in a single, easy-to-use interface. No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book.

The four volumes are sold as a single resource and not as individual volumes.

I added the BOLD text.

You can see it here. https://web.archive.org/web/20200809164054/https://verbum.com/product/188341/the-liturgy-of-the-hours-according-to-the-roman-rite

Someone seems to have removed EXACTLY the words that would support our mutual recollections. I am disgusted that anyone from a supposed Christian organization would employ this type of deceit on it's customers.

It can still be seen here: https://verbum.com/search?query=liturgy%20of%20the%20hours&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

This message is incorrect, I didn't scroll down far enough.  Disregard, comments about things being removed, nothing has been removed, the remarks I post here are still on the description page. My other comments stand.

Helo David Wanat,

No, the words have been changed, perhaps you're reading from your computer's cache.  The words I mentioned "The Verbum software aligns the prayers if each day in a single, easy-to-use interface.  No ribbons or flipping back and forth between various sections of the book." do NOT appear in the link you just gave.

Clear your cache, or use another browser and you will see the words above, the very words that support some of our recollections are missing.  I believe they have been removed.

It would be nice to have what they advertised, a SINGLE easy to use interface.

We don't have that.

Morning Prayer for today is missing the Scriptural Reference for the Canticle (Jer 31:10-14).

Please note: this is for Volume III >> Four Week Psalter >> Thursday, Week 1 >> Morning Prayer.

(The correct reference appears in volumes 1, 2, and 4 on Thursday, Week 1 Morning Prayer)

Is the best way to report issues like this the Report Typo function in Verbum or is it worth posting them to the forums as well?