I need some expert help with a complex search term

IHSA
IHSA Member Posts: 42 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

“The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a lot!

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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

    “The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

    Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt? Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks a lot!

    I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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  • IHSA
    IHSA Member Posts: 42 ✭✭

    I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book. 

    Thank You! But what I am looking for is a search term that I can use to search my library for resources to help me on this matter. 

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    I found this article... https://purposeinleadership.com/2014/11/10/serve-god-in-your-work/  And this book... https://www.logos.com/product/136713/every-good-endeavor-connecting-your-work-to-gods-work Factbook may be helpful using the book. 

    Thank You! But what I am looking for is a search term that I can use to search my library for resources to help me on this matter. 

    Try serve (God, Christ, Jesus, Lord) NEAR (work, business, enterprise, money)

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

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  • IHSA
    IHSA Member Posts: 42 ✭✭

    Thank yo so much Brother. That is very helpful.

  • Bob
    Bob Member Posts: 267 ✭✭

    Just a starting point: money NEAR generous.

    wait for KS4J though.  KS4J will have a way better search.  KS4J always does.

    Bob

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD 

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.1 1TB SSD 

  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,115

    I have been tasked to write a reflection paper on a book by Timothy Keller using the prompt:

    “The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

    Can someone help me with a search term that will show me everything in my resources that is relevant to that prompt?

    Search idea for a number of articles & chapters to consider:

    ([field heading,largetext] motivation,serve,steal) WITHIN 11 WORDS (Lord, God, hands) WITHIN 22 WORDS (business, generous, give, labor, labour, money, work)

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    “The way to serve God at work is to make as much money as you can, so that you can be as generous as you can.”

    Some ideas:

    Reflection: think of the positive, negative and the possible.

    Do you want to see the topic from a macro or micro view? or maybe a combination?

    Money is an artifact, that has value in a society where it can be used as an exchange method in a free market, and is generally considered positive to have (attitude), to be able to provide for the needs of the family / clan.

    The Bible talks about unjust wealth. Does it have to do with the way it is obtained?

    E.g. Middleman exploits producers, and abuses final consumer, pays little to the former, and charges much to the latter, he then makes good profit, is this ethical?

    How about if the product or service does not cause harm, and uses money from the final user that would have spent it on vice, to help evangelize that same market segment that is paying for the product or service? definitively a gray area.

    Now what if the profit margin is low, and producer is well payed, and final consumer not charged too much, but the process of producing the product poisons substrata water or causes contamination to other Earth resources?

    What about stakeholders, people that live in the community where the goods are manufactured, are they bearing too great a burden with contaminated rivers due to toxic residues byproduct of production processes?

    Then the distribution problem: is it ok to have the owner of the means of production get the most of the surplus amount gotten by the selling of the products produced?

    Scandinavia has moved to what is called the middle way: not untamed capitalism, neither ineffective communism, but they chose middle of the way: cooperativism.

    The means of production are owned collectively, and the surplus of benefits produced by the selling of the products is distributed evenly among the members of the cooperative.  This seems to be more in line with the Bible thrust of having things (means of production in this case) in common.

    So there is many angles in which you can reflect on the acquisition of wealth in a free market, by various means. 

    It is important that the initiatives be socially responsible (cause no harm, help with problems, creates better living conditions, etc), take care of right distribution of excedents (profit), and has systems where injustices (in the productive organization itself) are prevented and investigated to prevent recurrence of waste, abuse, misuse, etc.

    There are many good resources that can give both macro and micro views on the productive and economic process:

    https://www.logos.com/search?query=economic%20ethics&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe 

    https://www.logos.com/search?query=exploited&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe 

    Now about serving God is a topic in itself: can we serve God in a free market where power players usually set their interests above regular humanity?

    Many cooperatives have allowed groups of people to achieve many important socioeconomic goals in a more christian way. Have they checked to see that there is no exploitation in there supply chain or the distribution system? that depends on the particular cooperative.

    In Scandinavia over 40% Gnp is contributed by cooperatives, and they have some of the highest quality of life standards, could something similar be achieved in western countries?

    Possibilities are very interesting.

    Hope you can see that there are many angles when reflecting about systems that are supposed to be in support of human flourishing, and not the other way around (humans in support of unregulated resource depleting capitalism that benefits very few in the long run).

    Different angle for further research, reflection and constructive comment.

    Peace and grace.

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,435

    "There are many good resources that can give both macro and micro views on the productive and economic process:

    https://www.logos.com/search?query=economic ethics&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

    https://www.logos.com/search?query=exploited&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe"

    Well! that about answers the Original Poster's (OP) question within the forum guidelines.

    I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

    When help such as the OP seeks this arises, I wonder if you would consider writing a blog or something on another platform and pointing those interested to it by providing a link.

    Something like 'If you would like to read my thoughts on how to progress your study you can find them here".

    I do really resent being made to fume on a forum I enjoy because of its practical and technical nature.

    tootle pip

    Mike

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  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 737 ✭✭

    I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

    I do really resent being made to fume on a forum I enjoy because of its practical and technical nature.

    Some people are given "favored" status on the Forums by the implicit moderators (aka MVPs), so they are allowed to circumvent Forum guidelines.  

    As a capitalist, I had to restrain myself from not responding to this post. 

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    I read the rest of your post, Hamilton, some of it resonated and some of it made me fume. It is very hard to ask unbiased questions and, from my reading, you didn't try very hard.

    How can one add different angles to a person's conceptual framework so they can look for resources that can help them pursue interesting angles to them without mentioning some of the key issues involved in the analysis?

    I am not saying that capitalism is wrong, but that some see that untamed it can be dangerous, some are very communist oriented, when in reality most such experiments have not been as successful as expected.

    I mentioned cooperativism because maybe interested persons may want to explore if there is a relation between quality of life and such system that needs to work in a free market.

    If the different issues involved are not mentioned how can the string effective searches to leverage his particular L9 library?

    I am trying to help the person, just as I would like to be helped by giving some conceptual framework so that I can research better. Thanks to the person asking for the particular subject, I was able to find very good resources that I did not know existed, is not that part of the goal of the forums? to help persons find good resources and advice to leverage their L9 libraries?

    Maybe there is a good suggestion, to develop a button so that one can hide the input of certain person, so that all I write can be hidden from you and others that take most of my input as trying to violate guidelines on purpose.

    I do know that I would not use such button, as I am aware that I have not ultimate truth under my arm, and must give everyone a chance to express their mind so I can be aware of angles I am ignorant about in certain issues.

    I am not trying to start polemics, but to give wide venues for further research, in the end each must come to their own conclusions.

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Some people are given "favored" status on the Forums by the implicit moderators (aka MVPs), so they are allowed to circumvent Forum guidelines.  

    Hi 1Cor10:31:

    How would you go about making explicit certain key issues in a topic for further research, reflection and constructive comment, without "violating guidelines"?

    Many here are capitalists, and are very aware that Christian ethics are very important to be aware of certain hazards that can happen if not careful, my point was that there are many good resources that can help one enlarge conceptual framework in this area.

    At no point I am saying that one system is better than other, I am just pointing out that under certain circumstances, there are some systems that work well within free markets, and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity something that FL most likely understand (study and application of the Bible), and maybe approve.

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,435

    How can one add different angles to a person's conceptual framework so they can look for resources that can help them pursue interesting angles to them without mentioning some of the key issues involved in the analysis?

    In this forum, one does not help by condescending to assume that a person needs different angles adding to their conceptual framework.

    In another setting, this supposed intellectual stimulation might be appropriate. In my opinion, it is not appropriate here first because it violates forum guidelines, and second, it looks like grandstanding.

    I think you could just about get away with my suggestion of pointing the OP to a Blog Post or similar that you prepared and posted elsewhere.

    tootle pip

    Mike

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  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 737 ✭✭

    At no point I am saying that one system is better than other.

    See below what you said...

    Scandinavia has moved to what is called the middle way: not untamed capitalism, neither ineffective communism, but they chose middle of the way: cooperativism.

    The means of production are owned collectively, and the surplus of benefits produced by the selling of the products is distributed evenly among the members of the cooperative.  This seems to be more in line with the Bible thrust of having things (means of production in this case) in common.

    You are effectively stating that the Bible endorses Scandinavian way of running the economy. 

    I have no interest in giving people a history lesson of capitalism vs. communism vs some middle ground.

    I am just pointing out that under certain circumstances, there are some systems that work well within free markets, and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity something that FL most likely understand (study and application of the Bible), and maybe approve.

    If this doesn't sound like you're expressing an opinion, it is because you've been free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status!  [It is like if I don't censure my students when they cheat, it encourages them to cheat more and over time, they don't even think of it as cheating]

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    it is because you've been free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status! 

    He does not have favored boy status to the best of my knowledge. I think of it more as "only Faithlife can handle". In my mental list there are less than a handful of forum members on this list. It is because I know that I don't know how to communicate with them that I tend to avoid them. No need to expose the forums to my foreseeable failures.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    In another setting, this supposed intellectual stimulation might be appropriate. In my opinion, it is not appropriate here first because it violates forum guidelines, and second, it looks like grandstanding.

    Seems a conjecture based on scant objective evidence. I am not an expert at search, but I do know a thing or two about cooperatives, and how they have been very successful into aiding with persons socioeconomic situations.

    It has worked well with French Canadians, people in England and Germany, and is working for us. Not many persons are acquainted with Cooperativism, which done right, seems to be very aligned with Bible thrust for justice and mercy.

    So I ask the same question I asked another poster:

    How would you go about making explicit certain key issues in a topic for further research, reflection and constructive comment, without "violating guidelines"?

    I think you could just about get away with my suggestion of pointing the OP to a Blog Post or similar that you prepared and posted elsewhere.

    Is not pointing to a personal blog  another no no?

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    You are effectively stating that the Bible endorses Scandinavian way of running the economy. 

    If you see, I wrote very clearly the following:

    and seem to be better aligned with Biblical Christianity

    obviously there have been cases in which the cooperative does not.

    free to express opinions because of your "favored" boy status!

    what makes you think I am favored?, I try to be very respectful of other posters, and try to post relevant and useful information so that anyone interested can research further using the amazing tools L9 provides.

    I would love to read about your thoughts about capitalism, communism, and other ways, because I am sure I would learn a lot, and many angles not obvious to me now would open.

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 737 ✭✭

    He does not have favored boy status to the best of my knowledge. I think of it more as "only Faithlife can handle". In my mental list there are less than a handful of forum members on this list. It is because I know that I don't know how to communicate with them that I tend to avoid them. 

    As a researcher, we always ask why? Why do we ask "why?"? To get to the ultimate cause of anything and everything. In this context, what causes a person to get on the "favored" list that shields the person from censure and allows the person to opine at every given opportunity? Financial economists would say that people behave the way they do based on the implicit and explicit incentives facing them.

    Let's say I see a student cheating and the student sees me seeing him cheat. If I don’t censure him, I am providing implicit incentives for him to cheat even more in the future. There doesn’t have to be explicit incentive encouraging him to cheat. The people on the "favored" list got there because they were not censured when they opined. The result is that they got bolder and bolder.  

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    Is not pointing to a personal blog  another no no?

    No it is not (note my bold added):

    Please abide by the following guidelines as you interact on our forums.

    1. Please keep your discussions focused on Logos Bible Software: our software, products, websites, company, tools, etc.
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    3. Please treat each other with the love, courtesy, respect, and kindness that you would if you were sitting in your living room together.
    4. Please do not use our forums to
      • sell or give away anything or link to anything you’re selling or giving away—including Logos products
      • promote or link to competitors
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      • point people to other places that sell Logos-compatible products
      • advertise yourself, your business, your ministry, your website, etc. (a tasteful link in your forum signature is acceptable)
      • post Logos Coupon Codes. If you are aware of a special promotion Logos is running online, you are welcome to link directly to the promotion.
    5. Please search before posting. It’s likely that someone has already asked your question.
    6. Please help others follow these guidelines. If the problems continue after you’ve given a gentle reminder of these expectations, please click “Report Abuse” under “More” or send an email to forums@logos.com. If a user is a repeat offender, we may temporarily suspend their account. If the offenses continue, we reserve the right to permanently ban the offender's account from the forums either by shadow banning it or blocking it entirely.

    Thank you for your cooperation. Enjoy discussing and learning about Logos Bible Software.

    Others, including Faithlife employees, have occasionally pointed to a specific personal blog entry when it directly relates to the issue at hand. 

    However please reread the sixth guideline in the context of 

    I would love to read about your thoughts about capitalism, communism, and other ways, because I am sure I would learn a lot, and many angles not obvious to me now would open.

    Encouraging someone to violate the guidelines is clearly a violation of the guidelines.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    As a researcher, we always ask why?

    I agree. We ASK why. Answers that apply to particular people in the forums over the years:

    • because he is on heavy medication that sometimes clouds his judgment. We agreed that "go mow your lawn" would be how I told him his meds were getting the better of him and he should take a break. It served its purpose and avoided constant mention of his health concerns in the forums.
    • because his wife informed us that his tone is the result of brain damage from a stroke and that the forums are one of his few enjoyable activities.  When his behavior was questioned, someone would explain why we cut him some slack
    • because FL responded to one of my many reports of outlandish behavior with a note that they were very aware of the problem and were working on it -- so I report the posts as abuse but say nothing publicly as that would subject the forum users to more of his vitriol.
    • because the poster is known to be fighting disabling mental illness and is clearly not responding well to their current meds - they will get stabilized and there are forum friends behind the scenes trying to ensure he does not embarrass himself.
    • because I know every post of the person has been removed and that a permanent ban is in the works.
    • because I have so much trouble communicating with the person that I have simply quite reading his/her posts and therefore have not seen what I should object to this time.  There are enough forum users still reading the person's posts that they should be reported without my involvement.

    I think that illustrates why a researcher asks rather than assuming they are favored.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    advertise yourself, your business, your ministry, your website

    To me sending someone to a particular website seems like proselitizing, unless the person actually asks for further explanation.

    Then we have the term discussing, to me is different from mentioning something for further research. Discussing is actually engaging in giving arguments to prove a point, which is very different from mentioning some issues that may aid in better search using Logos (tools), getting better resources (products), promoting critical thinking (for edification), etc.

    From the guidelines we can tell that intent is as important as object. If a person is trying to help persons leverage their L9, how can that be guideline violation?

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 737 ✭✭

    I agree. We ASK why. Answers that apply to particular people in the forums over the years:

    • because he is on heavy medication that sometimes clouds his judgment. We agreed that "go mow your lawn" would be how I told him his meds were getting the better of him and he should take a break. It served its purpose and avoided constant mention of his health concerns in the forums.
    • because his wife informed us that his tone is the result of brain damage from a stroke and that the forums are one of his few enjoyable activities.  When his behavior was questioned, someone would explain why we cut him some slack
    • because FL responded to one of my many reports of outlandish behavior with a note that they were very aware of the problem and were working on it -- so I report the posts as abuse but say nothing publicly as that would subject the forum users to more of his vitriol.
    • because the poster is known to be fighting disabling mental illness and is clearly not responding well to their current meds - they will get stabilized and there are forum friends behind the scenes trying to ensure he does not embarrass himself.
    • because I know every post of the person has been removed and that a permanent ban is in the works.
    • because I have so much trouble communicating with the person that I have simply quite reading his/her posts and therefore have not seen what I should object to this time.  There are enough forum users still reading the person's posts that they should be reported without my involvement.

    For a Forum of this size, I find this number to be surprisingly few. But, still sorry that the MVPs have to put up with this.

    I'm appreciative of the many people on this Forum (you, Dave Hooten, Graham Criddle, JT come to the top of my mind) who gladly spend their time responding to people's requests.

    I think that illustrates why a researcher asks rather than assuming they are favored.

    In our profession as financial economists, we sometimes do surveys to ask people their preferences. But we know that people can lie, so surveys are a poor tool to infer preferences. Therefore, we try to validate revealed preferences obtained through surveys using data.

    What I've observed on the Forum is that some people gladly flout Forum guidelines repeatedly without being censured. That's the basis on which I tag some people as "favored." 

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God

  • Mike Binks
    Mike Binks MVP Posts: 7,435

    advertise yourself, your business, your ministry, your website

    To me sending someone to a particular website seems like proselitizing, unless the person actually asks for further explanation.

    Then we have the term discussing, to me is different from mentioning something for further research. Discussing is actually engaging in giving arguments to prove a point, which is very different from mentioning some issues that may aid in better search using Logos (tools), getting better resources (products), promoting critical thinking (for edification), etc.

    From the guidelines we can tell that intent is as important as object. If a person is trying to help persons leverage their L9, how can that be guideline violation?

    I don't think anybody thought about making 'grandstanding' against the forum rules but I might suggest that it is included in the next revision.

    Answering a person's question, in the terms with which they asked it. Refusing to engage with questions that are provocatively doctrinal. Both of these are perfectly acceptable and encouraged.

    Assuming one needs your assistance in framing supplementary questions is condescending.

    Providing that uncalled for, and implicitly, agreement-breaking post earlier in this thread is out of order. As 'out of order' as the previous and similarly structured posts, you have dropped into other threads and which you have been repeatedly asked to desist from posting.

    tootle pip

    Mike

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  • Hamilton Ramos
    Hamilton Ramos Member Posts: 1,033

    Assuming one needs your assistance in framing supplementary questions is condescending.

    This is what I do not understand, I am trying to bring attention to something that can be important in the economic sphere for Christian believers, the only person that knows if is condescending or not is the one that originated the thread.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative

    If it was you asking for input, I would not have mentioned, as I could make an educated guess that you know a bit about cooperatives due to its origin location point.

    You can call me condescending all you want, but my question is simple:

    How can we make explicit key issues in a topic without going into polemics nor violating guidelines?

    By mentioning cooperatives, I was giving another angle so it could be compared with other systems and facilitate to see different ways that profit maximization could be looked at from.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    I agree. We ASK why. Answers that apply to particular people in the forums over the years:

    • because he is on heavy medication that sometimes clouds his judgment. We agreed that "go mow your lawn" would be how I told him his meds were getting the better of him and he should take a break. It served its purpose and avoided constant mention of his health concerns in the forums.
    • because his wife informed us that his tone is the result of brain damage from a stroke and that the forums are one of his few enjoyable activities.  When his behavior was questioned, someone would explain why we cut him some slack
    • because FL responded to one of my many reports of outlandish behavior with a note that they were very aware of the problem and were working on it -- so I report the posts as abuse but say nothing publicly as that would subject the forum users to more of his vitriol.
    • because the poster is known to be fighting disabling mental illness and is clearly not responding well to their current meds - they will get stabilized and there are forum friends behind the scenes trying to ensure he does not embarrass himself.
    • because I know every post of the person has been removed and that a permanent ban is in the works.
    • because I have so much trouble communicating with the person that I have simply quite reading his/her posts and therefore have not seen what I should object to this time.  There are enough forum users still reading the person's posts that they should be reported without my involvement.

    For a Forum of this size, I find this number to be surprisingly few. But, still sorry that the MVPs have to put up with this.

    The only one that I felt I was putting up with was the one I knew FL was working on. I believe very strongly in an inclusive, compassionate church which is, therefore, what I expect to see in the Logos users. And, yes, in church services I am never surprised by disruptive people whose history must be understood to know why they are tolerated.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    To me sending someone to a particular website seems like proselitizing,

    I certainly hope not as I have often linked to site that contain the requested information but which I believe to be promoting heresies. Sending someone to a library isn't proselytizing - it's informing, educating,.and decreasing the amount of misinformation/disinformation believed in the world.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,143

    How can we make explicit key issues in a topic without going into polemics nor violating guidelines?

    You cannot unless the original question was framed in the context of "how can I research ..." It is best to read the forums in the context of assuming that each and every user is more competent than yourself in some aspects. Assume they have framed their question well to obtain the information they need. To assume that they need help formulating questions for their research is condescending and demeaning unless there is an obvious flaw in their original question such as assuming the American religious landscape is representative of the world's religious landscape. And should their question be ill-formed, limit yourself to a sentence or two to describe why it is ill-formed and a sentence or two for a proposed rewording. Beyond that is often perceived as grandstanding.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • IHSA
    IHSA Member Posts: 42 ✭✭

    the only person that knows if is condescending or not is the one that originated the thread.

    I originated the thread and I do find it condescending. I have an MBA in economics and am a DBA candidate. 

    I am offended that you hijacked my post to push your own agenda. You answered several questions that I never asked and never did answer the ONE question that I did ask. I was simply looking for a sophisticated search term to use in searching my library.

    Since you have taken over this post for your own personal promotion, I stand virtually no chance of getting any response to the very specific question I asked. 

    Please start your own thread if you want to engage in self aggrandizement.

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    I stand virtually no chance of getting any response to the very specific question I asked. 
    Are you still working on this project? If so, perhaps we can get this back to topic.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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