Frustrated former Wordsearch Customer
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GaoLu said:
For me, Logos is like that.
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That is right. Thank's for your explanation.
But with that hightech-car you reach your destination in the town of your choice.With Logos you do not know whether your results are complete or well comprehensive. A fresh search with new knobs and buttons brings different results.
No matter the car, the goal remains the same.That is a big difference and I need in Logos an expert and a non-expert mode, for example. The latter with less knobs and buttons.
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Andreas Roemer said:
I need in Logos an expert and a non-expert mode, for example. The latter with less knobs and buttons.
Like you can have in Papyrus Autor?
Χριστὸς ἐν ὑμῖν, ἡ ἐλπὶς τῆς δόξης·
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Yes! Papyrus Author is great[Y]Fabian said:Like you can have in Papyrus Autor?
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I am not a typical Logos / Faithlife user, though I have owned and used Logos Bible software for over 25 years now, I never upgrade my software for new features. Haven't been interested in any new features in Logos upgrades for years.
But I do upgrade my Logos software for book packages. Books are expensive in Logos, but books are expensive in paper format, too. I find the Logos versions are very competitive with paper copies, and the Logos versions are far more useful. I am thankful that Logos Bible Software has allowed me to build a wonderful Biblical library over the many years I have used it.
So I do not feel that I have overpaid for Logos Bible Software. I feel it has been a bargain.
I do understand the frustration of those who have been forced to switch from Wordsearch to Logos. Some years ago, after over a decade of using AmiPro Word processor, I was forced to switch to another. It was frustrating. I do think Logos is trying to be fair and helpful.
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Andreas Roemer said:
That is a big difference and I need in Logos an expert and a non-expert mode, for example. The latter with less knobs and buttons.
Is it not possible to simply ignore knobs and buttons that one does not understand?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Andreas Roemer said:
in Logos an expert and a non-expert mode
Yes! I have been suggesting that for years.
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Mike Childs said:
So I do not feel that I have overpaid for Logos Bible Software. I feel it has been a bargain.
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GaoLu said:
I have a "type of this" - My primary Logos login is feature-rich and complex. I also have a separate account which is just the 'free' resources I have accumulated over time. This account does not have the advanced features. Caveat: I do use the 15+ years experience with the full collection to incorporate skills that I use with the lesser version.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Being an ex-programmer.... I can say for sure that the easier a program is to use generally means more knobs and buttons. I remember when Visacalc (one of the first spreadsheet programs) came out. Believe me, it was simple, easy to use and without many button and knobs. Then came Lotus and finally Excel. I don't think anyone wants to run Visacalc now even though it was easy to use. They will spend the time to learn how to do things in Excel.
The Bible is a complex book... to write a program that is without the knobs and buttons... is like going back to Visacalc. While learning how to use Logos takes a bit of time... in the long run... it's worth it. Just like learning Excel is worth it today.
Personally, I find the knobs and buttons helps ..... well.... after I learn to use them that is. lol
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman said:
They will spend the time to learn how to do things in Excel.
Basically I agree with you.
There are parts of logos that I am often on the road and parts that I am less often. If I always have to go complex ways just to get an answer, I just get annoyed a lot. It shouldn't be like that.It would help if F1 and all related help were not scattered so disparately. Someone who is new to Logos is faced with a mountain of possibilities and just wanted to look for something in the Bible.
And if the past has already been addressed, I mourn my beloved Dbase and the times when we still had to calculate the excesses of a line break and the associated control character with a line ruler.[;)]---
Das Gerücht ist nicht immer falsch; manchmal wählt es sogar den Sieger aus.[Tacitus]0 -
Andreas Roemer said:
And if the past has already been addressed, I mourn my beloved Dbase and the times when we still had to calculate the excesses of a line break and the associated control character with a line ruler.
Dbase!!!! Yep... remember it well.... wonder what language Logos is in ????
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Good analogy xnman.
I have noticed that most good computer programs have dedicated resources to learn power tips, power workflows, etc.
One idea that comes to mind is to make a resource that is a guide on how to leverage Logos according to area.
Biblical studies: what is statistically significant as far as most features and reference works for it.
Comparative religion: same
Historical inquiry, including Church fathers, patristics, judaica, etc.
Original language: could be divided in learning, studying, applying, exegesis, etc.
Systematic theology: features that allow such study. Example a rough outline of key issues / doctrines through time, and who proposed it, controversies in time, and historical development, etc.
Biblical theology: suggested main themes through time, and if such had relation with the issues at large in society and culture in general.
Practical theology: neat tips on application like: https://blog.logos.com/how-do-you-use-logos-dave-moser/
Apologetics, heresies, power abuse prevention and intervention
Moral theology / christian ethics.
Spirituality: different definitions and practices per tradition, denomination and through time.
Evangelism / missions / church planting: videos, fav resources, links to key revivals in history, etc.
Bible study : methods (inductive, deductive, abductive, etc.) , resources to particular books in the Bible, lessons n study guides, etc.
Discipleship: definition and key elements per tradition, then a rough curriculum per each denomination and rough rationale of why such.
Stewardship: 14 rough areas, resources, etc.
Real life living: helping redeem flawed areas of culture, communities, institutions, and individual lives (esp. our own), etc.
Philosophy and worldview: Christian Biblical worldview as most coherent construct yet, things that really matter, use of philosophy in theology,
Care, ministry, counseling from Biblical viewpoint to non mental health probs / issues.
Christian pedagogy.
Community, work, sports or other chaplaincy.
And then put it all in some sort of visual index to have easy access to key information.
Hope the above clarifies the idea of the need for better guidance for newbies, and seasoned that maybe want to study other areas, or other traditions point of view on something.
Peace and grace.
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