Convert LOGOS book to epub or mobi
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Sure seems like that is going the wrong direction. What are you hoping to achieve?
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Some resources I have are just books that I want to read. Using a Books poke3. Boox’s reading app is much better for just simply reading a book than LOGOS app.
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Boox’s reading app is much better for just simply reading a book than LOGOS app.
What would it take to change that?
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I think it would require a separate app. The 2 serve such a different purpose. One is just a simple e-ink reader, designed to read one book at a time. Turning from page to page as quickly and simply as possible—nothing more. The other is designed to be a research computer. Both serve their purpose. When I want/need the power of LOGOS, I use a Mac. But if I Simple want to read a book that I have in Logos, I would prefer the simplicity of a “Kindle” style e-ink reader.
so, if Logos would offer a “Kindle” style e-ink (Android) reading app???
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if Logos would offer a “Kindle” style e-ink (Android) reading app???
That's what the Faithlife Ebooks app should become. We have some plans to get it there and would love your feedback as we do.
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IWhen I want/need the power of LOGOS, I use a Mac. But if I Simple want to read a book that I have in Logos, I would prefer the simplicity of a “Kindle” style e-ink reader.
Are you referring to the full desktop LOGOS app? For the very reason of easy reading on my Book Poke2 I use the Logos MOBILE app. For me this is convenient easy reading.
Although I have to admit that the Kindle app on my Book Poke2 is much easier in handling, so the idea of Phil Gons for a dedicated reader app would be great !
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That's what the Faithlife Ebooks app should become. We have some plans to get it there and would love your feedback as we do.
That would be great. To have just a lean app for reading only would be a nice addition, besides the current mobile app. The sooner the better.
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We have some plans to get it there
That's both a surprise and good news. I thought mobile development had been reduced to maintenance. Moving toward a reader is a great idea, IMO!
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I would love to help by providing feedback.
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I have the boox poke 2, I was perfectly happy with the Logos reading experience. I set the reader to page mode and also set a refresh delay to kill the animation. The only issue I have is certain highlighting makes the text illegible but I've changed my highlighting to use underlining and that works well.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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What would it take to change that?
Actually, on reflection, having the most recent page read synced across devices and a popup to choose to jump there like on a kindle.
I frequently switch between my computer, ipad, boox and phone and it only occasionally follows me.
גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה
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What everyone is saying is make one of these[:D]
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What would it take to change that?
For me, a lot. When I open the Faithlife app, I am greeted with an app that looks and acts much like Logos in how it functions. Great for studying the Bible, not so much for casual reading. Way too complex. The books should be front and center, not dashboards and Explore. When I open a good reading app like the kindle app, my books are the first thing I see (both downloaded and suggestions). In the Faithlife app it is layouts. I would like a simple bookshelf view with currently reading books on top (not a complex reading plan with schedules I have no interest in), then a list of books I've added to a to-read list in a second section, and all other books below that with lots of easy sort options right there on the main page. The current sort options are good, but put the books front and center. I also want to be able to add and manage books to the read later function from Logos, as that's where I buy them and usually see them first.
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For me, a lot. When I open the Faithlife app, I am greeted with an app that looks and acts much like Logos in how it functions. Great for studying the Bible, not so much for casual reading. Way too complex. The books should be front and center, not dashboards and Explore. When I open a good reading app like the kindle app, my books are the first thing I see (both downloaded and suggestions). In the Faithlife app it is layouts. I would like a simple bookshelf view with currently reading books on top (not a complex reading plan with schedules I have no interest in), then a list of books I've added to a to-read list in a second section, and all other books below that with lots of easy sort options right there on the main page. The current sort options are good, but put the books front and center. I also want to be able to add and manage books to the read later function from Logos, as that's where I buy them and usually see them first.
I agree. It would need to have highlighting as versatile as in the desktop app, and would sync reading position to all Logos apps on mobile devices and desktop. In addition, very flexible fonts with regard to type and size. The ability to take notes which would sync to the desktop would be a plus, if it were done simply. The current Logos app on IOS is much more powerful than this and seems designed for study, but this makes it less friendly to just reading. Pop-up of scripture in my preferred Bible when scriptures are used in a book i'm reading would be nice, also.
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That's what the Faithlife Ebooks app should become. We have some plans to get it there and would love your feedback as we do.
I had forgotten this app even existed and just re-launched it. Doesn't seem too different from primary Logos iOS app. The version history even references fixing a bug to sermon builder. An e-reader app shouldn't have a sermon builder. That's what the primary Logos app is for. Menu options also list passage lists, clippings, prayers, etc. Focus on reading, not features.
Keep it simple:
- Highlights and syncing currently seem way too "fiddly".
- In Kindle, I can get a notebook filled with highlights/notes from only that book in 2 clicks. That's all I want 99% of the time.
- In Kindle, reading location is almost instantly synced with iPad, iPhone, & desktop. Additionally, it reports my last reading location to me and asks if I want to jump to that location.
- Too many steps to change view settings. (Click the screen... click the vertical dots... click "view settings" at the bottom of the list.) Kindle is simply click the screen and click the view options along the top.
- Layouts are unnecessary for a barebones reading app.
- Factbook is unnecessary for a barebones reading app.
I know I compare Faithlife ebooks to Kindle quite a bit, but there are good reasons why Amazon dominates the e-reader market.
As a bonus, I would love to see Logos highlights exported to readwise for reviewing.
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+1 also agree with John and Paul's commentsWhat would it take to change that?
For me, a lot. When I open the Faithlife app, I am greeted with an app that looks and acts much like Logos in how it functions. Great for studying the Bible, not so much for casual reading. Way too complex. The books should be front and center, not dashboards and Explore. When I open a good reading app like the kindle app, my books are the first thing I see (both downloaded and suggestions). In the Faithlife app it is layouts. I would like a simple bookshelf view with currently reading books on top (not a complex reading plan with schedules I have no interest in), then a list of books I've added to a to-read list in a second section, and all other books below that with lots of easy sort options right there on the main page. The current sort options are good, but put the books front and center. I also want to be able to add and manage books to the read later function from Logos, as that's where I buy them and usually see them first.
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Factbook is unnecessary for a barebones reading app.
In general the factbook is not needed in the reading app, however, in the same way as Kindle allows me to press and hold a word to get a definition, so the same functionality would be nice to let me open any relevant entry in factbook in the reading app. The key is it would be out of the way until I perform a specific action to bring it up.
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In general the factbook is not needed in the reading app, however, in the same way as Kindle allows me to press and hold a word to get a definition, so the same functionality would be nice to let me open any relevant entry in factbook in the reading app. The key is it would be out of the way until I perform a specific action to bring it up.
That is a good point. Like you, I do use Kindle's dictionary and find it very unobtrusive yet easy to access. The Kindle app has 3 slides for dictionary, Wikipedia, and translate. Perhaps the Faithlife Ebook app could use similar functionality with a slide for a basic dictionary & a slide for factbook.
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I am visually impaired. I need the following:
I need to read books on a large screen e-ink device. I need to be able to underline and write on the ebook with the pen supplied with the device. I don't want those notes added anywhere outside of that book.
I need good text-to-speech support. Preferably, I want Alexa to be able to read me the book.
I lose a little more sight every year. Technology is usually staying ahead of what I need to be able to study what I want when I want. But I spend a huge amount of time and money learning and researching new software and devices. Sometimes, I just cannot read/learn what I want to learn, even with all the time and money spent. Price matters, but as broke as I am, less time wasted learning software is critically important. Simple is often better than complex. I am willing to pay for the simple when it WORKS and comes with video tutorials.
Different kinds of books are consumed in different ways on different devices and in different environments. A commentary, a non-fiction book, and a novel are very different reading/listening experiences.
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In general the factbook is not needed in the reading app,
I think this depends upon the position of the family dinner table:
- if, as in my family, the Encyclopedia Britanica had to be in reach of the dinner table, Factbook is needed.
- if, as in one cousin's family, the Webster's dictionary had to be in reach of the dinner table, a good dictionary is needed.
- if, as in a different cousin's family there were no books within reach of the dinner table, no reference books are needed. But a word of warning. Everyone in this family died relatively young ... as in 2 decades early.
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What everyone is saying is make one of these
I agree it looks nice and if done right would be a nice reading device, but personally I’d rather FL stay focussed on software than risk a single function hardware device.
For me I would not buy one as I rather have a single multi function device than have multiple single function devices.
Each to their own needs when it comes to device.
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I agree there is a case for factbook, even if it’s a Factbook lite that shows basic information including key articl and links to other dictionary etc articles at very least.
In general the factbook is not needed in the reading app,
I think this depends upon the position of the family dinner table:
- if, as in my family, the Encyclopedia Britanica had to be in reach of the dinner table, Factbook is needed.
- if, as in one cousin's family, the Webster's dictionary had to be in reach of the dinner table, a good dictionary is needed.
- if, as in a different cousin's family there were no books within reach of the dinner table, no reference books are needed. But a word of warning. Everyone in this family died relatively young ... as in 2 decades early.
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To clarify, I mean factbook is not needed as a separate full function for searching and finding entries. As I posted previously, having it integrated so that I can push and hold a word in a book and it be listed as a selection choice if there is a relevant entry would be very useful. I just don't think there should be a full factbook interface section for looking up random entries in an app primarily designed for reading. That's what the Logos app is for. Keep the reading app simple and focused on reading.
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Keep the reading app simple and focused on reading.
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That’s great if the actual word had an entry or is exactly but sometimes I want a little bit more information on something related to what I just read and you are saying I should not have a way of looking that up in a reader app. I don’t see the problem with being able to open a search interface when I want one, it’s not in the way, and if you don’t ever want to use it that’s fine. I don’t get why people are down on Factbook, it’s not like we are using a Logos Reader app to read Mills and Boon. I would be reading books that at times lead me to ask questions about topics that are not specifically worded in what I’m reading and your suggested method would leave me stranded and forced to open another app to answer that questio. I wouldn’t bother with the reader app if what you are suggesting is the only way Factbook could be accessed.
To clarify, I mean factbook is not needed as a separate full function for searching and finding entries. As I posted previously, having it integrated so that I can push and hold a word in a book and it be listed as a selection choice if there is a relevant entry would be very useful. I just don't think there should be a full factbook interface section for looking up random entries in an app primarily designed for reading. That's what the Logos app is for. Keep the reading app simple and focused on reading.
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The problem is where do you draw the line? Factbook? Notes? Concordance? Power Lookup? Feature creep is the enemy of apps such as this. Pretty soon you end up with exactly what we have now, a rebranded Logos app that tries to be a reading app and fails. A few tools are okay so long as they are not in the way of a simple book reading experience, which they definitely are in the current app. A few options available from a push and hold type operation are okay, but start adding tabs and search panes and such and you should ask yourself why you aren't just using the Logos App? What exact benefit are you getting from such a reading app that you don't already have in the Logos App? The advantages I think most of us would like to see are simple and focused.
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Honing my inner Johnny Ive...
The new Logos Reading app was built from the ground up. We set out to create something as simple as possible the replicated the reading experience as much as possible. What do you do when you read? You most likely have a book and a pen. With the book, you immerse yourself into your content. With your pen, you make highlights. When you reflect, you insert your bookmark, close your book, and ponder your experience.
So today, we are announcing the Logos E-reader. It has your books, a highlighter, and bookmarks--just like the authentic reading experience. If you want to look up words or entries, we have dictionaries and concordances that are purposely built to accomplish those task. But when you want to truly replicate the reading experience, we have intentionally focused on creating the Logos E-reader as simply as possible.
End Johnny Ive voice... look at the original iPod. it did one thing very very well. As it added new features, it turned into different types of iPods, until it turned into the phone and cannabalized itself. As the post above says, feature creep would kill an app (or in my dream a device) like this. I think this is a time when you ignore 90% of what people ask for, ask how can we replicate reading a book (answer: book, highlighter or pen, bookmark, nothing else... once you add anything else you are in essence rising from your seat, walking to your shelf, and partaking in an entirely different experience with different tools).
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if Logos would offer a “Kindle” style e-ink (Android) reading app???
That's what the Faithlife Ebooks app should become. We have some plans to get it there and would love your feedback as we do.
I GREATLY enjoyed the Logos Windows App before it was depricated. Please Bring it back for Surface Users who want a clean, simple reading mode.
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Honing my inner Johnny Ive...
Though hopefully without his great love for skeuomorphism, which is right out! [;)] No spirals and notebook lines please!!!!
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The problem is where do you draw the line?
A few tools are okay so long as they are not in the way of a simple book reading experience
Sometimes less is more, especially for people with visual impairments on an e-ink device. Sometimes when we try and do it all, we do not do any single thing well.
... it’s not like we are using a Logos Reader app to read Mills and Boon.
Faithlife sells Christian romance novels.
My Faithlife library covers the full spectrum from pop culture to academic, as does my Amazon library. On a few occasions, I have purchased a few books twice, because I use the book for study in logos, but also need Alexa to read the longer passages, or need the pages to turn faster or some other reason that led me to just give up and repurchase the book in Kindle format.
Yes, even when reading a pop culture book, I have questions that could be answered in the Logos app, but sometimes, the best thing to do is open another app, or even reach for another device.
When I am in the middle of a major project, my desk has had all the following open and running a the same time: a Facebook Portal +, Google nest speaker, Amazon echo, a Windows computer, Android tablet, Boox e-reader, and a Linux/Raspberry Pi computer all running at the same time. And a table next to me covered in several open books, with several pairs of glasses of and a magnifying glass. If I am on the Portal + and studying the topic with someone else, they just start laughing, because we are using all the devices, including switching back and forth between asking the Google nest and Alexa Echo the very same questions and getting very different responses.
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