Single core, dual core, triple core etc

Bootjack
Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭
edited November 21 in English Forum

Looking at new laptops, I see one that uses the Ryzen 7 5800 chip. This is said regarding that particular chip, "No matter what Ryzen 5000 series CPU you are looking to buy, the fact that you are considering purchasing one in the first place implies that you are interested in PC gaming, single-core performance heavy workloads, or perhaps a mix between content creation or gaming."

I am not at all into gaming but I would want a laptop that is going to handle Logos with no problems as to speed. 

My question is, does Logos use single core or dual core or anything above that. 

MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,682

    Logos apparently uses a single thread for UI work but will use multiple threads for searches, indexing and other work. Recommended Hardware is quad-core, so a Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 with 6 or more cores will run Logos just fine.

    Dave
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    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Dave, thanks for the reply. If you were buying a new laptop, would you still go for anything more than a Ryzen 7? 

    Presently, I'm using an I-7-4700 HQ CPU 2.40 GHz and it runs Logos no problem, although I'm thinking a new machine would be that much quicker. 

    What's your thoughts?

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • David Wanat
    David Wanat Member Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭

    When I replaced my Mac, I looked for a PC that could meet the recommended Logos requirements, which meant a gaming machine (My stats are in my sig file if you're curious). It runs Logos flawlessly, taking seconds to go from start to ready. I can game with it, but I find I don't really do that much of it nowadays.

    I have no idea where my 9th generation CPU (I think we're on 11th gen now?) stacks up compared to your Ryzen though. But I guess it could be a start for determining things?

    WIN 11 i7 9750H, RTX 2060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD | iPad Air 3
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  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    I'm thinking if what I have here (an 8 year old ASUS Rog) is having no problem running Logos, the new machines would lift the roof right off the house. 

    Whether it is an Intel Chip or the AMD chips, it would leave this one I have presently in the dust. The fact this is getting up there in age and has no TPM chip for Windows 11, the time is approaching when I will get a new one. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • EastTN
    EastTN Member Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭

    I recently bought a gaming desktop with a Ryzen 7 5800x and an SSD (my old machine finally died), and I'm very pleased with its performance running Logos.

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    That's nice to know. Thanks for your jumping in on this. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • Rifhen
    Rifhen Member Posts: 30

    I'm on a desktop, but I have a Ryzen 7 3700X and it has no problem with Logos at all - as snappy as you could imagine, never freezes etc.  I do have 32 gigs of ram and a NVME SSD though so those may play a part as well.  I'm guessing any laptop with a 5800 will have a fast SSD and plenty of ram too.  

  • Rifhen
    Rifhen Member Posts: 30

    Some advice you probably don't need, but my understanding is that graphics cards are extremely overpriced right now.  For example, there's a 3080 on newegg going for $2100 and PS5s on amazon for over $1000.  If you aren't interested in gaming you might really be paying for performance right now that you don't really need if that laptop is being marketed to gamers.  

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Thank you Rifhen for your helpful replies and yes, I'll take all the advice you want to throw at me.

    I'm looking at an ASUS Rog of which I'll give you the link. I'm not desperate to buy right now but I am getting the fever. Let me know what you think of this. 

    ASUS ROG Strix G17 17.3" Gaming Laptop - Eclipse Grey (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H/1TB SSD/16GB RAM/RTX 3060) | Best Buy Canada

     

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • Rifhen
    Rifhen Member Posts: 30

    I'd be surprised if that doesn't run Logos really well.  But you could probably save some money if you don't want to game on it.  The link below if $600 cheaper and I would think it would run Logos fine.  I didn't spend that much time looking - you could probably find better deals.  Note the hard drive is half as large which might be an issue if you are putting a lot of media on it.  Don't get me wrong, the one you linked to is a much better machine - the processor is better, the GPU is better, and the hard drive is bigger.  But $600 is nice too.

    New Lenovo Legion 5 17.3 FHD Laptop | AMD Ryzen 7 4800H | GTX1660Ti | 16G Memory | 512GB SSD | Backlit Keyboard | Windows 10 Home - Newegg.com

    I tried to look up benchmarks, and it looks like even that the graphics card is about 30-40% slower than what I have on my desktop which I use for gaming.  I opened up verbum with the diagnostics screen on and tried to get the GPU utilization up and couldn't get my GPU utilization over 30%.  So to me even for a laptop an RTX 3060 seems like more than you need if you aren't gaming on it.  

    I had to buy a laptop recently for one of my children, and a couple of other things I noticed:

    1) They don't put DVD drives on most of them anymore.  Can be a rude shock if you're not expecting that, although my kids barely know what a DVD is.

    2) Do you really want a 17 inch screen?  That seems big to me, but everyone has different preferences and I could see wanting something that big if you are using as your main PC.  I don't really like laptops and if I have to use one want it to be light and cool.  

    Hopefully others who have bought laptops recently can weigh in and give you comparisons.  The laptops I've bought recently didn't have a graphics card which is a recommended spec.  

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Thank you so much for the suggestions! As to the size of the screen, I definitely would go no less than a 17.3 inch screen. I only use a laptop (actually I have another Toshiba for a backup should this one snap). As far as the Graphic cards go, I guess one has to take what comes in these things, unlike the Desktop where one can switch out and plunk a new one in. 

    I checked your link and I believe that is in the US whereas I am in Canada. 

    I just wanted to see if others such as yourself, have found Logos stacks up well with the Ryzen chip. Thanks again Rifhen. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • Allen Browne
    Allen Browne Member Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭

    I just wanted to see if others such as yourself, have found Logos stacks up well with the Ryzen chip

    Bootjack, I can't comment on the Ryzen, but I don't expect the CPU would be the big difference. It's moving to SSD that really makes Logos fly.

    Since your previous Asus ROG is 8 years old, I'm guessing it used a spinning disk. The 1TB SSD in the new one you're looking at will make the stand-out difference.

    I'm using a 17.3" and agree with you on the screen real-estate. I use the laptop screen for Logos, with whatever I'm working on open in Word on the external monitor (24" rotated to portrait). Laptop has 2 SSDs: 256GB system + 1TB for data. I thought 1TB would be plenty, but it's almost full with Logos (126GB), MS Flight Sim (160GB), and the rest of my data.

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Interesting comment Allen. I've actually used an SSD in this unit between 5 & 6 years now and there's no problem using Logos whatsoever. I've a 500 Gig drive with about 300 Gigs free, so a 1tb at this rate would never be used, at least most of it. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • Paul Watson
    Paul Watson Member Posts: 79

    I have a legion 5 as well... with 2 extra screens on it... runs logos very well. Also have lenovo flex 5 which also has logos... I can tell the difference when its indexing. The legion is way faster. And the legion has a lot more ram in it, which also makes a difference... but the flex 5 is very usable. I've run logos on hp's, dell's and at least 3 different lenovo's . I cant put my thumb on why... but the Lenovos always do a better job

     

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Thank you for that interesting reply. It seems you favour the Lenovos so apparently, you must be getting good service from them. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Member Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭

    I am running Logos on a 9-year-old top-end Asus ROG 17". This baby has been around the world with me from jungles of Indonesia to deserts of...shall we say other places. It once fell from a ledge and sustained nothing more than ugly gashes in the cover. It has been upgraded to a good SSD (easy to do).  It is fast. But old.  I will be replacing it soon, but an SSD is your #1 friend with Logos.     

    If you wonder why I travel with a seventeen inch 9-pound (??) behemoth laptop--that is question for another day--in short because it was better than traveling with a tower.

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    That rig sounds like it's bullet proof. I have an 11 year old Toshiba with an SSD and runs Logos no problem but I very seldom use it. It's there for backup. My main laptop is this ASUS Rog 17.3" but neither of them have been anywhere but on my two desks. The ASUS is 8 years old this November and also has an SSD but I'm getting this fever for a new one. Neither of these laptops will run Windows 11 of course, so I'm looking for any excuse to purchase something new. 

    I should ask, when you do buy new, will you go with another ASUS Rog? 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • GaoLu
    GaoLu Member Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭

    I should ask, when you do buy new, will you go with another ASUS Rog? 

    I certainly will. Unless something better comes along. 

    I also use a couple HP Spectre 360's. They are tiny, light, powerful, and versatile. Someday, I may once again get a desktop computer, but not till I settle down to one place.  

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    I'm stationary but still like the larger laptops. Anyway, thanks again for your input. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭

    Ryzen 7 5800 chip

    It has great single core performance but is not a single core chip. Logos will make use of the other cores. That is probably more powerful than you need for Logos.

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  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Thank you John for that bit of info. If you were buying new, would you go with the Ryzen chip or an Intel? 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    does Logos use single core or dual core or anything above that. 

    My laptop is a 3yo MSI GF63 8RD with I-7 8850H (6-core), 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, & NVIDIA GTX 1050Max. Although at 2.2GHz clock speed my user experience doesn't feel incredibly zippy it's always responsive (except when waiting on the web). I've found that having 6 cores means I just can't slow the laptop down. I can keep working while indexing the entire library (8,000+), which I timed at just over an hour (61 minutes & 12 seconds). I never notice while it's working away in the background. 

    Blessings! IMO, any good (not even great) multi-core, 500GB or larger SSD, 16GB or larger RAM, & a video card with 2GB or greater will give you great performance in Logos (& almost anything else).

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


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  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Bill, it appears you've got a heavy hitter machine on your desk. I would suspect that is Windows 11 upgradeable, correct? Anyway, I'm going to get a nice damp cloth and wipe the green off my face!  :-) 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • BillS
    BillS Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭

    Bill, it appears you've got a heavy hitter machine on your desk. I would suspect that is Windows 11 upgradeable, correct? A

    Hi Bootjack,

    I buy at the knee of the price-performance curve (where the next bump up in how powerful the PC is costs a LOT more than the last bump). Each time I've done that, the pc or laptop has lasted a good 5+yr... It was a heavy hitter 3 yr ago (this month), but I don't think it'd be terribly expensive to buy a more powerful machine, today. :)

    I don't think performance is REALLY zippy, but it doesn't bug me with slow performance. More than that I don't ask... :)

    Grace & Peace,
    Bill


    MSI GF63 8RD, I-7 8850H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GTX 1050Max
    iPhone 12 Pro Max 512Gb
    iPad 9th Gen iOS 15.6, 256GB

  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home

  • Kathleen Marie
    Kathleen Marie Member Posts: 812

    I am losing my eyesight. A few years back, before I started college, an agency bought me a laptop for school. I needed a big screen and I needed power to run the software that I was supposed to learn to use. A gaming laptop was purchased for me, without any input from me.

    A gaming laptop was a HUGE mistake!!!

    Hundreds of dollars was wasted on a graphics card that overheated and slowed the machine down and drained the battery.

    The machine roasted itself while idling, and could not run any of the software that I was supposed to learn to use. More happened that I won't bother to discuss. The machine is long gone, but it taught me that I can never just assume that a gaming laptop will be able to run the most basic productivity software. I know, now, to do a lot of research in graphics cards if I am going to buy a gaming laptop.

    The toy that I am using right now runs Logos so much better than "The Beast" could even idle.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,141

    A gaming laptop was a HUGE mistake!!!

    Interesting. I've been quite satisfied with my gaming laptops and had no trouble with overheating.  I suspect that a graphics card was put into a machine not designed to support it.

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  • Bootjack
    Bootjack Member Posts: 736 ✭✭

    Apparently the laptop you got Kathleen was a dud, which could happen to any laptop or desktop. 

    I've been using the asus rog 8 years straight, very seldom is it shut down and I've yet to experience heating problems or any problems whatsoever. If this machine were to fail today, it doesn't owe me anything plus I would go back to the same type of unit when buying new. 

    It's too bad you had that unhappy experience. 

    MSI Katana GF76 Intel Core i7-12700H, RTX3060, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, Windows 11 Home