Why is everyone making such a big deal about Catena Aurea? (Or "what's in it for me?")
Now that the George Müller collection is on its way, Catena Aurea is the next great buy in Community Pricing. With current bidding going as it has been, it looks like this gem will be available for $20 or less. We're getting close to 80% of production cost.
Community Pricing is an awesome way to get works for the least expensive price imaginable. For example, the Müller collection went for $15 in community pricing, and pre-pub is now $79.95; sale price once it ships will be $129.95. And the nice hardback edition on Amazon.com costs $139.95:
For anyone who has no idea what the Catena Aurea (Latin for "Golden Chain") is, "[Catenae are] collections of excerpts from the writings of Biblical commentators, especially the Fathers and early ecclesiastical writers, strung together like the links of a chain, and in this way exhibiting a continuous and connected interpretation of a given text of Scripture. It has been well said that they are exegetical anthologies....The most famous of the medieval Latin compilations of this kind is that of St. Thomas Aquinas, generally known as the "Catena Aurea" (Golden Catena) and containing excerpts from some eighty Greek and Latin commentators on the Gospels....Since the sixteenth century much industry has been expended in collecting, collating, and editing these exegetical remains of the early Christian Fathers, fully one-half of whose commentaries...have reached us in this way." (from New Advent, the Catholic Encyclopedia).
Why should we care to read (or at least have reference access to) these writings? (Perhaps Protestants in particular might be asking this question.) Because the Early Church Fathers are the closest interpreters of Scripture to the people who lived it and wrote it. Unlike the ECF collection, this work is arranged by Scripture reference, so it will work like a commentary and be able to scroll with your Bibles. The Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture (only the first volume of which is out in Logos format yet) would be really nice to have, but it's exorbitantly priced ($379.95 for one volume). But you can get your very own ancient Christian commentary on the Gospels for only $20. Why wouldn't everyone want to go for this??!!
OK, so who are these "eighty Greek and Latin commentators" on the Gospels? I found this table in the front of one volume of edition of the Catena Aurea that was available on on Google Books. I looked up all these people (most of whom were familiar names) and have provided links to more info on them, in Logos where available. Here's my key:
131CESK = 131 Christians Everyone Should Know (in all base packages except Original Languages)
ODCC = Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (in base packages from Scholar's on up)
Table of Fathers, Doctors, and Commentators, out of whom the Catena Aurea on the Four Gospels is gathered.
Cent. III.
Origen (131CESK) - Alexandrian biblical critic, exegete, theologian, and spiritual writer; analyzed the Scriptures on three levels: the literal, the moral, and the allegorical
Cyprian (ODCC) - pagan rhetorician converted to Christianity; acquired acquired a profound knowledge of the Scriptures and the writings of Tertullian; elected bishop of Carthage; martyred in 258
Cent. IV.
Eusebius (131CESK) - Bishop of Caesarea; author of Ecclesiastical History, the principal source for the history of Christianity from the Apostolic Age till his own day; also wrote a valuable work on Biblical topography called the Onomasticon
Athanasius (131CESK) - Bishop of Alexandria; attended the Council of Nicea; opposed Arianism, in defence of the faith proclaimed at Nicaea—that is, the true deity of God the Son
Hilary (ODCC) - Bishop of Poitiers; the earliest known writer of hymns in the Western Church; defended the cause of orthodoxy against Arianism; became the leading Latin theologian of his age
Gregory of Nazianzus (ODCC) - one of the "Cappadocian Fathers"; a great influence in restoring the Nicene faith and leading to its final establishment at the Council of Constantinople in 381
Gregory of Nyssa (ODCC) - one of the "Cappadocian Fathers"; Bishop of Nyssa; took part in the Council of Constantinople
Ambrose (131CESK) - Bishop of Milan; partly responsible for the conversion of Augustine; author of Latin hymns; it was through his influence that hymns became an integral part of the liturgy of the Western Church
Jerome (ODCC) - biblical scholar; devoted to a life of asceticism and study; his greatest achievement was his translation of the Bible into Latin (the Vulgate); also wrote many biblical commentaries
Nemesius (ODCC) - Christian philosopher; Bishop of Emesa in Syria
Augustine (131CESK) - Bishop of Hippo (in northern Africa); a "Doctor of the Church"; most famous work is his Confessions; his influence on the course of subsequent theology has been immense
Chrysostom (131CESK) - Bishop of Constantinople; a "Doctor of the Church"; a gifted orator; his sermons on Gen, Ps, Isa, Matt, John, Acts, and the Pauline Epistles (including Hebrews) established him as the greatest of Christian expositors
Prosper of Aquitaine (ODCC) - theologian; supporter of Augustinian doctrines; closely associated with Pope Leo I ("the Great")
Damasus (ODCC) - pope; active in suppressing heresy
Apollinaris of Laodicea (ODCC) - Bishop of Laodicea; close friend of Athanasias; vigorous advocate of orthodoxy against the Arians
Amphilochius of Iconium (ODCC) - Bishop of Iconium; close friend of the Cappadocian Fathers; defended the full Divinity of the Holy Spirit
Cent. V.
Asterius of Amasea (ODCC) - Arian theologian; some extant homilies on the Psalms attributed to him
Evagrius Ponticus (ODCC) - spiritual writer; noted preacher at Constantinople; spent the last third of his life living a monastic life in the desert
Isidore of Pelusium (ODCC) - an ascetic and exegete; his extant correspondence contains much of doctrinal, exegetical, and moral interest
Cyril of Alexandria (ODCC) - Patriarch of Alexandria; contested Nestorius; put into systematic form the classical Greek doctrines of the Trinity and of the Person of Christ
Maximus of Turin (ODCC) - Bishop of Turin; over 100 of his sermons survive
Cassion (? prob. Cassian) (ODCC) - one of the great leaders of Eastern Christian monasticism; founded two monasteries near Marseilles; best known books the Institutes and the Conferences
Chrysologus (ODCC) - Bishop of Ravenna; a "Doctor of the Church"
Basil "the Great" (ODCC) - one of the "Cappadocian Fathers"; Bishop of Caesarea; responsible for the Arian controversy's being put to rest at the Council of Constantinople
Theodotus of Ancyra (ODCC) - Bishop of Ancyra; wrote against the teaching of Nestorius
Leo the Great (ODCC) - Pope who significantly consolidated the influence of the Roman see; a "Doctor of the Church"; his legates defended Christological orthodoxy at the Council of Chalcedon
Gennadius (ODCC) - Patriarch of Constantinople; the author of many commentaries, notably on Genesis, Daniel, and the Pauline Epistles
Victor of Antioch (ODCC) - presbyter of Antioch; commentator and collector of earlier exegetical writings
Council of Ephesus (Wikipedia) - declared the teachings of Nestorious heretical, affirming instead the unity between Christ's human and divine natures
Antipater of Bostrum - ?
Nilus (ODCC) - Bishop of Ancyra; disciple of St John Chrysostom; founder of a monastery; conducted a large correspondence influencing his contemporaries; his writings deal mainly with ascetic and moral subjects
Cent. VI.
Dionysius Areopagita (ODCC) (aka Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite) - mystical theologian; combined Neoplatonism with Christianity; the aim of all his works is the union of the whole created order with God
Gregory the Great (131CESK) - Pope; a "Doctor of the Church"; very prolific writer of works on practical theology, pastoral life, expositions of Job, sermons on the Gospels, etc.
Isidore (ODCC) - Bishop of Seville; a "Doctor of the Church"; concerned with monastic discipline, clerical education, liturgical uniformity, conversion of the Jews; helped secure Western acceptance of Filioque clause
Eutychius (Patriarch of Constantinople) (Wikipedia) - consecrated the church of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople; defended the Chalcedonian faith against an unorthodox sect; became controversial later in life
Isaac (Bp. of Nineveh) (ODCC) (aka Isaac the Syrian) - monastic writer on ascetic subjects
Severus (Bp. of Antioch) (ODCC) - Syrian Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch; the leading theologian of the moderate Monophysites
John Climacus (ODCC) - ascetic and writer on the spiritual life; later Abbot of Mt. Sinai; best known for his Ladder of Divine Ascent which treats of the monastic virtues and vices
Fulgentius (ODCC) - Bishop of Ruspe in N. Africa; scholarly disposition; follower of St. Augustine; wrote many treatises against Arianism and Pelagianism
Cent. VII.
Maximus ( ? of Constantinople, 645.) (ODCC) - Greek theologian; prolific writer on doctrinal, ascetical, exegetical, and liturgical subjects
Cent. VIII.
Bede (131CESK) - "the Venerable Bede"; a "Doctor of the Church"; pedagogue, biblical exegete, hagiographer, and historian, the most influential scholar from Anglo-Saxon England
John Damascene (131CESK) - Greek theologian; a "Doctor of the Church"; defender of images in the Iconoclastic Controversy; expounded the doctrine of the perichoresis (circumincession) of the Persons of the Trinity
Alcuin (ODCC) - Abbot of St. Martin's (Tours); a major contributor to the Carolingian Renaissance; supervised the production of several complete editions of the Bible; responsible for full acceptance of the Vulgate in the West
Cent. IX.
Haymo (of Halberstadt) (Wikipedia) - German Benedictine monk who became bishop of Halberstadt; prolific writer
Photius (of Constantinople) (ODCC) - Patriarch of Constantinople; a scholar of wide interests and encyclopedic knowledge; his most important work, Bibliotheca, is a description of several hundred books (many now lost), with analyses and extracts; also wrote a Lexicon
Rabanus Maurus (ODCC) - Abbot of Fulda in Hess Nassau; later Archbishop of Mainz; wrote commentaries on nearly every Book of the Bible
Remigius (of Auxerre) (ODCC) - monk, scholar, and teacher
Paschasius Radbertus (ODCC) - Carolingian theologian; wrote commentaries on Lamentations and Matthew, as well as the first doctrinal monograph on the Eucharist, he maintained the real Presence of Christ
Cent. XI.
Theophylact (ODCC) - Byzantine exegete; his principal work, a series of commentaries on several OT books and on the whole of the NT except Revelation, is marked by lucidity of thought and expression and closely follows the scriptural text
Anselm (131CESK) - Archbishop of Canterbury; a "Doctor of the Church"; highly regarded teacher and spiritual director; famous ontological argument for the existence of God as "that than which nothing greater can be thought"
Petrus Alphonsus (Wikipedia) - Jewish Spanish writer and astronomer, a convert to Christianity; one of the most important figures in anti-Judaic polemics
Laufranc (? prob. Lanfranc) (ODCC) - Archbishop of Canterbury; commented on the Psalms and Pauline Epistles; his biblical commentary passed into the Glossa Ordinaria
Of uncertain date.
Symeon Metaphrastes (ODCC) - Byzantine hagiographer
Symeon Abbas - ?
Theophanes - ?
Geometer - ?
Alexander Monachus (Wikipedia) - Cypriot monk; composed homiletics and an encomium on the Apostle Barnabas
Glossa Ordinaria (ODCC) - the standard medieval commentary on the Bible. It was drawn up chiefly from extracts from the Fathers, and was arranged in the form of marginal and interlinear glosses
Glossa Interlinearis (Wikipedia) - by Anselm of Laon (d. 1117), who had some acquaintance with Hebrew and Greek; derived its name from the fact that it was written over the words in the text of the Vulgate
UPDATE: I count only 59 authors in that list, but the Glossa Ordinaria is made up of extracts from other authors, so I'm assuming that's where the balance of the 80 comes from.
Comments
Rosie: I sure hope Bob realizes the gem he has in you and several other customers and rewards you all richly for the incredible marketing you do for Logos and its numerous resources. Every company would love to have people like you "selling" their products for them without having to pay you for it. I say this as a way to compliment each of you who do such an awesome job in keeping us informed and tempting us to spend our hard earned money every day we log into the forums. Thank you all...Michael
Rosie: I sure hope Bob realizes the gem he has in you and several other customers and rewards you all richly for the incredible marketing you do for Logos and its numerous resources. Every company would love to have people like you "selling" their products for them without having to pay you for it. I say this as a way to compliment each of you who do such an awesome job in keeping us informed and tempting us to spend our hard earned money every day we log into the forums. Thank you all...Michael
Thanks, Michael. My rich reward will be if this book makes it into production and I can have it in my Logos library. [:)] That's my major motivation for pushing the community pricing and pre-pub products (but also of course I know it will be a blessing to others, and I desire that). I've been waiting around on the Lion History Series for over two years now. Can I tempt you to take a look?
Thanks, Michael. My rich reward will be if this book makes it into production and I can have it in my Logos library.
That's my major motivation for pushing the community pricing and pre-pub products (but also of course I know it will be a blessing to others, and I desire that). I've been waiting around on the Lion History Series for over two years now. Can I tempt you to take a look?
Got me again Rosie...placed my order...thank you for the heads up. Again, I'm thankful for you and the others that highlight these great resources (I think $$$) that may otherwise go unnoticed.
I've been waiting around on the Lion History Series for over two years now. Can I tempt you to take a look?
I've read the Luther volume and it was wonderful. But....the only thing holding me back from this entire series is that it is not available on IPad/iPod/iPhone (Is this correct?). This is the type of resource I would just like to read in bed or on a lunch break, and lugging my laptop around to do so just isn't practical.
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Catena Aurea is the next great buy in Community Pricing.
OK, I'm in on my 1st ever CP bid...
Thanks for your ministry to us, Rosie!
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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I'm happy to report there has been a visible rise of the graph of the product page. It's now almost at 80% for the $20 level. Thanks Rosie, you've made an impact!
Prov. 15:23
I'm happy to report there has been a visible rise of the graph of the product page. It's now almost at 80% for the $20 level. Thanks Rosie, you've made an impact!
Whew! That was hard work. It took me a couple of hours to create that post. I had trouble editing it in the forum editor (all the formatting kept getting messed up) so I brought it into Dreamweaver to work on for a while, which then crashed on me and lost a bunch of my labor. Sigh. Anyway, if I counted my time putting that together as part of my cost for this resource, it'll really end up costing me well over the $40 I bid for it by the time it's done... [:)] But I learned a lot of fascinating stuff in the process as I read/skimmed all those people's bios. And I had never heard of the Glossa Ordinaria.
If that post only got us up to about 78% (from around 75% where I think it was sitting before I posted this), what's it going to take to push us up the rest of the way? More awareness of the CP program? A link back to this thread from the product description page? (That would be awesome! I wonder if we could convince Logos to do that?) Keep bumping this thread over the coming few weeks so new forum users see it?
If that post only got us up to about 78% (from around 75% where I think it was sitting before I posted this), what's it going to take to push us up the rest of the way? More awareness of the CP program? A link back to this thread from the product description page? (That would be awesome! I wonder if we could convince Logos to do that?) Keep bumping this thread over the coming few weeks so new forum users see it?
I imagine this will be a very expensive product to produce since it will probably have lots of linking in it. So it makes sense that it has been only moving slowly. I will be happy to help this get continually hawked. I fear that, with its high exposure, that the forum regulars have already decided one way or the other so new participants will probably be needed to coax this thing over the line. Perhaps if we could get a Newswire announcement....
Prov. 15:23
Whew! That was hard work. It took me a couple of hours to create that post...You must be satisfied that it was worth the effort, Rosie.:-)
I've jumped in and bid as well: hadn't realized it was significantly patristic content rather than merely Aquinas' comments.
Yes, I'm very pleased. Looks like it's now gone up to about 95%!
Aquinas merely arranged the commentary excerpts from the patristic authors in a logical sequence, and perhaps did some editing of content. You can get an idea of the entire content though not nicely laid out here. You can see scanned versions of some of the volumes on Google Books: Mark, Luke, John.
Here's how Aquinas's edition is laid out. Each section starts with a verse (or verses) of Scripture, followed by the comments by the patristic authors (each quote leading off with the author's name). Aquinas wrote short prefaces for each of the gospels, and might occasionally supply some linking text to make the quotes from patristic commentaries flow in a "chain," but not that I've noticed in the pages I've perused. It's basically all from the Church Fathers. Citation sources are in the margins. I'm sure the Logos tagged version is going to be very nice, with links to the original sources if we have them in our library.
Wow! This post made it to the daily Logos Blog.
Unfortunately, the price chart doesn't seem to be moving that much.
Hopefully as more people see the blog post there will be more bids. And perhaps some of those people who have bid $12 - $18 might be encouraged to increase their bids to $20
If you look at the graph it is almost a stright accent from $8 to $20, which means almost all the bids are $20 or more. I doubt there are enough bids at $12-$18 to make a difference. However, if a good number of the people who bid $20 would rise their bids to $22 then it could be pushed over the top. (Notice the drop from $20 to $22).
So come on everyone, increase you bid to $22 and we can get this into production!
It is a amazing what a litle support by the Blog did for this project. I really hope Logos makes a renewed effort to make Community Pricing work. I am a little concerned that it has been so long since they have added new titles.
Perhaps they could move some of the Public Domain PrePubs that don't seems to be going anywhere to Community Pricing as see what happens.
If you look at the graph it is almost a stright accent from $8 to $20, which means almost all the bids are $20 or more. I doubt there are enough bids at $12-$18 to make a difference. However, if a good number of the people who bid $20 would rise their bids to $22 then it could be pushed over the top. (Notice the drop from $20 to $22).
There is a slight bend in the line - at $10 it is maybe 55%-57% paid for, so if eveyone who has bid at least 10 bids 20 we would be over the line ... so maybe the strategy of bidding 22 will pull the lower bidders up a bit and we will get this for 20 or 18!!!
i.e. I support Keith's idea - let's all bid 22!!!
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Wow! This post made it to the daily Logos Blog.
Unfortunately, the price chart doesn't seem to be moving that much.
It's gone up ~5% since the last time I looked at it a few days ago... so the blog posting made a difference! Hopefully we'll be harping on this thing to get it down to a lower price next Friday because it crossed the line at the beginning of the week.
Prov. 15:23
Not to be an idiot here, but do you know why when I click on the links it tries to open them in Logos 3. Is there a way to make this happen in Logos 4?
You're not an idiot. That is a common problem people have been having after reinstalling Libronix (Logos 3) after having already installed Logos 4. In that case, Logos 3 hijacks the libronixdls protocol back again. To fix it, see the instructions here: http://wiki.logos.com/Hyperlinks#Problem.3a_Libronix_DLS_executes_the_protocol_instead_of_Logos_4
Yes, Dan, the ODCC is a great resource.
I didn't get it when I bought the Scholar's Lib in Logos 3, so it was one of the reasons I updated to the Logos 4 Scholars Lib.
Allen, and the "funny" thing is that I thought that I had read it was no longer available in Logos! I have a synaptic problem in my cerebral cortex. . . [:S]
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