Trying to understand Search and Factbook

So... I think I am beginning to put some of this Search and Factbook and such... together.

Search and Factbook all search "datasets" that Logos builds and do not actually search the books in my library. Is that correct????

I mean, I can understand the advantages of searching the datasets to be faster, etc. But do Search and Factbook actually search the books themselves?

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DMB

Either and.

Depends on your search. If you type in a literal word (eg 'salvation' or maybe a greek word), it's searching the text of the resource (actually, an index). But when you start using the funny squiggly marks ( [, etc), you're searching FL's work, whether it be tagging, interlinear lines, labels, and so on.

Your question might seem naive at first, but actually it speaks to whose work (and reliability) that you're trusting.

One thing you might always remember, is all those labels and 'factbooks' are just the modern version of the old concordance in the back of your Bible. Lookup lists.

Dave Hooton

Search and Factbook all search "datasets" that Logos builds and do not actually search the books in my library. Is that correct????

You can get an idea of how Factbook works from the Logos Help resource. First thing is that it does not require use of the Internet, so it is generated on your computer from your resources and datasets. This give you an idea of the datasets it has to access:-

Search can also use these datasets, and there are many other other 'topical' datasets. A <Person ....> search will use Biblical-Referents + Biblical People and 'map' the results onto your bible provided they have a reverse interlinear. In general, a term that uses {...} will use datasets, but terms like <Bible Jn 3>, <TDNT 8.1> are datatypes found in a resource via tagging. The first is a bible reference, the second is a reference to an entry in the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. Strong's Numbers are another datatype e.g. <G875>, <H765> (abbreviated). See https://wiki.logos.com/Search_HELP#id:1.2e_References

I can understand the advantages of searching the datasets to be faster, etc

Speed is not the reason. It is the ability to store complex data entities so that they can be mapped onto many different bibles (for example) without having to tag every bible for the same data e.g. Cultural Concepts, Biblical Events.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205678#Comment_1205678

Speed is not the reason. It is the ability to store complex data entities so that they can be mapped onto many different bibles (for example) without having to tag every bible for the same data e.g. Cultural Concepts, Biblical Events.

Aaah Sooo said the blind man to his deaf wife!

I do follow the logic... Now... another question.... Which you may not know.... So Logos people build these datasets... and (for what it's worth)... then Factbook and Search hit the datasets to pull data they have been requested to find?? And is the building of the datasets a manual process or a program generated one?

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205694#Comment_1205694

And is the building of the datasets a manual process or a program generated one?

That depends on the dataset. The process for building it is included in its documentation.

MJ. Smith

and do not actually search the books in my library

Some searches, search the books in your library (in some form e.g. indexed)

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205694#Comment_1205694

So Logos people build these datasets... and (for what it's worth)... then Factbook and Search hit the datasets to pull data they have been requested to find??

Faithlife build the datasets and they are classed as resources because you have to purchase & download them, usually as part of a Feature Upgrade as opposed to a Library/Collection of books. Datasets do not appear in your Library.

Then Factbook and Search can access the datasets to get to the data that has been requested!

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205765#Comment_1205765

Faithlife build the datasets and they are classed as resources because you have to purchase & download them, usually as part of a Feature Upgrade as opposed to a Library/Collection of books. Datasets do not appear in your Library.

Then Factbook and Search can access the datasets to get to the data that has been requested!

Uh Huh! So if someone doesn't buy the feature upgrade... then their ability to search is limited because they don't have access to the right "datasets"??? Am I thinking right??

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205803#Comment_1205803

Uh Huh! So if someone doesn't buy the feature upgrade... then their ability to search is limited because they don't have access to the right "datasets"??? Am I thinking right??

That is correct.

For example, one of the datasets Dave showed above is for Biblical People. This enables us to search for something like <Person Paul> and find every occurrence where that person is mentioned even if not by name.

If you don’t have that dataset, you can’t do that search.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205805#Comment_1205805

That is correct.

For example, one of the datasets Dave showed above is for Biblical People. This enables us to search for something like <Person Paul> and find every occurrence where that person is mentioned even if not by name.

If you don’t have that dataset, you can’t do that search.

Thanks Graham... I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to help.

How do I tell which and how many datasets I have?

Edit: And how do I tell what I am missing?

Edit again: I found the databases or datasets ...

Graham Criddle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205807#Comment_1205807

How do I tell which and how many datasets I have?

Click the icon with three dots at the top-right of the Logos screen and select the About Logos Bible software option from the menu

Then are are a list of datasets in the scrolling panel on the left

Edit: And how do I tell what I am missing?

Try using this url - https://www.logos.com/search?sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=unowned&geographicAvailability=availableToMe&filters=resourcetype-datasets_Resource%20Type

It filters the Logos sales page to just show datasets that are unowned by you.

Alternatively, go to https://www.logos.com/compare/featuresets and tick the Hide features I own button to see which features you don't have access to. This might be more useful than looking at datasets as it tries to show specifically what functionality you don't currently have available without needing to know which datasets support which particular functionality.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205810#Comment_1205810

Thanks Graham and Dave.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205810#Comment_1205810

One more question...

With Logos... I can buy or own a book and not have the dataset to search that book?

Andrew Batishko

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205817#Comment_1205817

With Logos... I can buy or own a book and not have the dataset to search that book?

You should always be able to search for simple text terms. No dataset is needed for that. Searching with the datasets is achieved with all the fancy, complicated syntax.

xnman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1205819#Comment_1205819

You should always be able to search for simple text terms. No dataset is needed for that. Searching with the datasets is achieved with all the fancy, complicated syntax.

Thank you Andrew! Lately, I've outspoken about Search... but I do appreciate all the work that I know has been put into making Logos what it is.

Thanks.