Research Project: How would you...?

I am starting a research project and am trying to figure out the best way to keep notes. Specifically, I am wanting to gather scripture verses on the topic and to make comments.

If this were a simple sermon (or series), I would know exactly the tools and strategy I would use. As I am thinking through this project, however, I know that those techniques would not work.

I am trying to figure out if there is a good solution in Logos, or if I would need to utilize a third party app.

The notes tool in Logos overwhelms me and I never use it. If anyone thinks it is good and can convince me, I am willing to listen.

I think what I would really like is the ability to have an annotated passage list. My current thought is to use a spread sheet app to create columns. Is there any means in Logos to create something like this? The performance would need to be good as I intend to have hundreds of passages.

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Matt Hamrick

If you don't currently use the notes in Logos I would not start now. It's been my experience back in version 8 I made the decision to figure out and crack Logos notes, so anything I do in Logos I use the Notes tool. Over time I have come to depend on the Notes in Logos because it's all I use now with the software. I have a better word processor on the computer so I could use it, but in the software you can link everything from your research. You can do that with outside notes too but it's a couple extra steps. If something overwhelms you then I would use that exclusively until you are not overwhelmed any further. You could make a notebook for your passages to annotate and set whatever passage you want as an anchor to the note. That notebook could have hundreds or thousands of passges. It would be great for you to just use Logos notes exclusively for six months and if you are not comfortable then go back to what you do now. Once you crack Logos notes I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

DMB

Yep, I'd use a spreadsheet (or associated database):

- You'll want to add columns later, and re-organize. Guaranteed.

- You'll want to group by, labels, tags, etc

- You'll want to export segments into your paper.

But just me, I'd use LiquidText for informal analysis/research.

xnman

I started something like your talking about in Personal Books... I have one such book that I keep track of things like that... And I admit... it's short sighted a bit... but it does work on my computer for now....

If ever.... and again I say if... Logos ever make Personal Books usable on Mobile.. I would love it.

I do wish... the users of Logos would ban together and let Logos know why they don't use such and such function... It is really not being negative.... and you don't have to be angry...

But if Logos don't know....then they keep on with what they have, not knowing any difference....

Start a new Thread...and let's support each other to make a great Bible program that we pay for..... better! Please!

MJ. Smith

I'd use Notes in Verbum but you could settle for Logos [:D]

Seriously, the Notes tool looks scary but is actually easy to use and quite powerful. The pieces missing in 8 are implemented in 9 - it still has room to grow but no longer feels incomplete.

Dave Hooton

I am trying to figure out if there is a good solution in Logos, or if I would need to utilize a third party app.

The notes tool in Logos overwhelms me and I never use it. If anyone thinks it is good and can convince me, I am willing to listen.

I don't use Notes! But I think it would be best for your project to keep the material in Logos. You can easily access your project (Notebook) and any passage (by Filter or Search). However, Export is pathetic as it omits the passage references. Performance should be OK for hundreds of passages but may diminish for multiple projects and thousands of passages.

Graham Criddle

I think what I would really like is the ability to have an annotated passage list. My current thought is to use a spread sheet app to create columns. Is there any means in Logos to create something like this? The performance would need to be good as I intend to have hundreds of passages.

It looks like you are planning a series of passage, with:

the reference
a short summary and the actual verses
some notes

This is straightforward in the Logos Notes tool - and you could add tags if you wish

Any thoughts as to whether this falls down for what you are wanting to do?

JT (alabama24)

Any thoughts as to whether this falls down for what you are wanting to do?

Thanks Graham. The problem is that the notes tool is so utterly cluttered. This is really what I want:

IRL I can get claustrophobic in crowds. Only partially kidding, I feel the same way with the notes tool.

JT (alabama24)

But I think it would be best for your project to keep the material in Logos.

I want to agree, which is why I took the time to post.

You can easily access your project (Notebook) and any passage (by Filter or Search).

All of this is hidden from me. Nothing about notes is "easy."

JT (alabama24)

I started something like your talking about in Personal Books...

For this project, a "personal book" might be a good place for things to go once I am done to get them back into logos... but getting the notes back into Logos isn't really my concern at this stage.

JT (alabama24)

Yep, I'd use a spreadsheet (or associated database):

- You'll want to add columns later, and re-organize. Guaranteed.

- You'll want to group by, labels, tags, etc

- You'll want to export segments into your paper.

Yes to all of this.

But just me, I'd use LiquidText for informal analysis/research.

I will look it up.

MJ. Smith

I can get claustrophobic in crowds

Logos has accounted for that: claustrophobia.

MJ. Smith

Nothing about notes is "easy."

Actually much about notes is easy - I was a late adopter because I thought the tool was complex. It isn't -- but you will never learn that if you don't try it on a project like this.

JT (alabama24)

Logos has accounted for that: claustrophobia.

It opened a blank page. I like it! [:)]

JT (alabama24)

you will never learn that if you don't try it on a project like this

Where do I begin? Seriously, it is so overwhelming. I also would need to know how to create a decent layout.

JT (alabama24)

OK. Here is potentially an acceptable layout. I want to create a note on Genesis 1:26-27. I do NOT want a visual note in the Bible (I am not using notes like I would create notes in the margin of my bible. I am not looking for these notes to be discoverable in the resource, only in my project). How do I create this note?

MJ. Smith

Do you want them all in a single notebook or do you want to use tags to collect them? Personally, I use notebooks for projects.

JT (alabama24)

single notebook or do you want to use tags

I think I found the answer on how to create a note, but to answer your question, presumably both. This is a project, so I would want all notes from this project automatically grouped. The use of tags would be helpful because I will want to classify passages based on topics.

I will be posting another screenshot shortly.

JT (alabama24)

In the screenshot below, some questions:

In the blue box, I want to see only the reference. Is there a way to get rid of the additional text?
In the red box, I need the text larger. I can't see a way to do so.
In the green box, the note has created a "note indicator" in the Bible. I do not want this. How do I delete it and make sure new ones aren't created? Oh, I also think a highlight was created. I do not want that either.

Hamilton Ramos

JT:

Have you looked into Zettelkasten method?

maybe you can modify available notes apps that you have to use such system.

https://zettelkasten.de/introduction/

https://zettelkasten.de/posts/overview/

Maybe you can apply the Zettel in Word and then turn it into a PB so that is within the L9 system.

1Cor10 31

My thoughts below are not about how best to use the various tools (Notes, Tags, Clippings etc.). My thoughts are how to organize the knowledge you gain from a topic that you plan to explore.

Broadly speaking, all of my thoughts are put in 3 broad bins: Definition, Causes, and Consequences.

Let's take "good works," which is something that came up in another thread on what is needed to be saved.

You can think of "Causes" as factors or determinants that happen BEFORE you do good works. There are many usually for a given topic.

You can think of "Consequences" as those that result AFTER you do good works. Typically, there are many consequences

The Before-After is hopefully captured by this graphic: Causes ==> Good works ==> Consequences

Moreover, I find it is easier to think in terms of Questions and Answers (Thomas Aquinas style). It helps me remember better.

Here are some questions that comes to my mind in the 3 bins.

1. Definition: What is good works? What is not good works? (this should help mark the boundaries of what is considered good works from the previous question) What are examples of good works? (this should help visualize the definition)

2. Causes: What is the role of God in the good works we do? What is our role in the good works we do? Each of the question can have sub-questions.

3. Consequences: When we do good works, how are we affected? how are the recipients affected?

Today, I had a Computer Science freshman come in and talk to me (a finance professor). He is going to help me out in my research. So I had to condense what we do a researchers with a simple framework without getting technical. I used the same causes-consequences framework to get through to him. As a finance professor, instead of "good works", I will research a finance topic instead. I'll be using different tools, but the organizing principles, I feel, are the same regardless of what you are researching.

scooter

My thoughts below are not about how best to use the various tools (Notes, Tags, Clippings etc.). My thoughts are how to organize the knowledge you gain from a topic that you plan to explore.

Broadly speaking, all of my thoughts are put in 3 broad bins: Definition, Causes, and Consequences.

Let's take "good works," which is something that came up in another thread on what is needed to be saved.

You can think of "Causes" as factors or determinants that happen BEFORE you do good works. There are many usually for a given topic.

You can think of "Consequences" as those that result AFTER you do good works. Typically, there are many consequences

The Before-After is hopefully captured by this graphic: Causes ==> Good works ==> Consequences

Moreover, I find it is easier to think in terms of Questions and Answers (Thomas Aquinas style). It helps me remember better.

Here are some questions that comes to my mind in the 3 bins.

1. Definition: What is good works? What is not good works? (this should help mark the boundaries of what is considered good works from the previous question) What are examples of good works? (this should help visualize the definition)

2. Causes: What is the role of God in the good works we do? What is our role in the good works we do? Each of the question can have sub-questions.

3. Consequences: When we do good works, how are we affected? how are the recipients affected?

Today, I had a Computer Science freshman come in and talk to me (a finance professor). He is going to help me out in my research. So I had to condense what we do a researchers with a simple framework without getting technical. I used the same causes-consequences framework to get through to him. As a finance professor, instead of "good works", I will research a finance topic instead. I'll be using different tools, but the organizing principles, I feel, are the same regardless of what you are researching.

I really like this for my studies. Your method is going to be very helpful. Thank you, 1C.