How would one construct a search to find all of the questions that are addressed to Jesus in the Gos

Rosie Perera
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edited November 21 in English Forum

Would it be a Clause search or a Syntax search? And how would I express that query? Despite having been an MVP and knowing Logos pretty well, I've never used these types of searches before.

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,682

    Would it be a Clause search or a Syntax search?

    Try a Bible Search     {Label Question WHERE Rhetorical ~false}  INTERSECTS {Addressee <Person Jesus>}

    The tagging for this is not available to the other Searches

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  • Morgan
    Morgan Member Posts: 458 ✭✭

    Dave, just trying to expand my own knowledge. What is the difference between your search and {Section <Sentence = Interrogative>} INTERSECTS {Addressee <Person Jesus>} ? I just grabbed the search syntax from right clicking on Matthew 15:2 and built it from there. I got more results as well, 181 vs 198. Is it the exclusion of rhetorical questions?

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw a meme that said Jesus was asked 183 questions and only answered (maybe) 8 of them, but he asked 307 of them himself. I tracked down the source of that info, since I don't like sharing memes without being able to back them up if someone asks (and someone did), and I found it, in a book titled Jesus Is the Question: The 307 Questions Jesus Asked and the 3 He Answered.

    It has a chapter on the questions Jesus answered directly. But it doesn't list all the questions he was asked. I wanted to fact-check the number.

    Sounds like it's in the right ballpark anyway, between 181 and 198, depending on how you count them.

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,682

    Dave, just trying to expand my own knowledge. What is the difference between your search and {Section <Sentence = Interrogative>} INTERSECTS {Addressee <Person Jesus>} ? I just grabbed the search syntax from right clicking on Matthew 15:2 and built it from there. I got more results as well, 181 vs 198. Is it the exclusion of rhetorical questions?

    "The Questions in the Bible dataset is an extension of the Sentence Types of the Old Testament, Speech Acts of the Old Testament, Sentence Types of the New Testament, and Speech Acts of the New Testament datasets. Given the importance of questions for theological reflection, this dataset attempts to further examine question types to provide users with more information about questions."

    Thompson, J. (2017). Questions in the Bible Dataset Documentation. Faithlife.

    If you remove the "Rhetorical" property  {Label Question} INTERSECTS {Addressee <Person Jesus>} returns 4 more results than your alternative query i.e. Mt 3.14, Mk 14.61, 15.2 and Lk 5.33.

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  • Matt Hamrick
    Matt Hamrick Member Posts: 663 ✭✭

    Would it be a Clause search or a Syntax search? And how would I express that query? Despite having been an MVP and knowing Logos pretty well, I've never used these types of searches before.

    Wouldn't the Bible Browser find them?

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,133

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would it be a Clause search or a Syntax search? And how would I express that query? Despite having been an MVP and knowing Logos pretty well, I've never used these types of searches before.

    Wouldn't the Bible Browser find them?

    Yes, it would

    Not in a useful way that would answer my question. First problem: you can't filter on ALL questions, you have to pick a specific question type. So you'd have to go through all the types to find all the questions. Or add up the numbers in each type to find the total.

    Second problem: you can't filter on Jesus as the addressee. Selecting the facet "Jesus" under "People" includes questions that are about Jesus, questions Jesus asked, and questions people asked of Jesus.

    Dave Hooton's answer is the best. Thanks!

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,682

    I saw a meme that said Jesus was asked 183 questions and only answered (maybe) 8 of them, but he asked 307 of them himself...

    It has a chapter on the questions Jesus answered directly. But it doesn't list all the questions he was asked.

    You can check "he asked 307" against  {Label Question} INTERSECTS {Speaker <Person Jesus>} but we do not know whether he included rhetorical Q's and repeated questions. You will get a more accurate "count" in SBLGNT  i.e. 392 in Bible Search of the Gospels.

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I saw a meme that said Jesus was asked 183 questions and only answered (maybe) 8 of them, but he asked 307 of them himself...

    It has a chapter on the questions Jesus answered directly. But it doesn't list all the questions he was asked.

    You can check "he asked 307" against  {Label Question} INTERSECTS {Speaker <Person Jesus>} but we do not know whether he included rhetorical Q's and repeated questions. You will get a more accurate "count" in SBLGNT  i.e. 392 in Bible Search of the Gospels.

    That one I don't need to fact-check, because the book I mentioned above lists them all. (I haven't counted, but I trust the author did, and it's a substantial number anyway.)

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,474

    Second problem: you can't filter on Jesus as the addressee. Selecting the facet "Jesus" under "People" includes questions that are about Jesus, questions Jesus asked, and questions people asked of Jesus.

    If you use the Reported Speech section as opposed to People there are options for specifiying Addressees and Speakers in there

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Second problem: you can't filter on Jesus as the addressee. Selecting the facet "Jesus" under "People" includes questions that are about Jesus, questions Jesus asked, and questions people asked of Jesus.

    If you use the Reported Speech section as opposed to People there are options for specifiying Addressees and Speakers in there

    Thanks. There's still no way to filter on all questions. You have to pick a type. That's a flaw, I think. There's no way to do an "OR" on different types either. Perhaps there should be an "All Questions" sub-facet.

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    Perhaps there should be an "All Questions" sub-facet.

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  • Beloved Amodeo
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    Perhaps there should be an "All Questions" sub-facet.

    Yes

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