BUGGY BUG: This one is about as annoying as it gets
BEHOLD!! The SERIF font in the note window produces a SANS SERIF output in the note pop-up!!
BEHOLD!! The SANS SERIF font in the note window produces a SERIF output in the note pop-up!!
This is stupid.
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My impression is they get real excited about presentation. Fonts, spacing, amount of white space and so on. But that was when they had a goodly amount of staff pursuing that world. Now, it's getting a bit rough around the edges. Yesterday I noticed a lengthy horizontal scrollbar on a panel, almost black (serious Logosian violation!). The button for multiview is almost indistinguishable (on/off/busy sequence).
OTOH, hebrew is always a Logosian yawner. They never did calm down the sizing, so it doesn't break up the text flow so badly.
Hi David,
I was able to reproduce this and I've created a bug report.
Hi David,
I was able to reproduce this and I've created a bug report.
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Ever since L9 came out, it has been riddled with inanities and process-breaking gremlins that have put a drastic crimp in my workflows. WHY are these things allowed to continue for years without being resolved?
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Limited resources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
The look of text is not considered to be a serious bug by Logos development evidently. "Process-breaking gremlins" and "drastic crimp in my workflows" is a bit of hyperbolic melodrama for a wrong font error of this nature, don't you think? If nobody has reported it before, then they might never have noticed it. And even if it has been reported before, it's obviously not a showstopper.
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I would agree with his overall point about Logos 9 though. It has been the single most workflow-disruptive upgrade for me in terms of the impact of the bugs/flaws/changes/inconsistencies (I came in on Logos 6 for context). Logos 9 has caused me to turn off automatic updates for the first time since I've been a Logos user, and I'm normally someone who has automatic updates turned on for pretty much everything else on my computer.
It's sad because I feel like Logos 9 was a bit of a bait and switch because it didn't seem like it was going to be a drastic overhaul the way Logos 8 was. But Logos 9 has literally changed the way I use Logos in numerous ways just because of the various bugs (especially ones relating to scaling and small screens) and how they have changed the toolbar (bolting on more and more buttons).
End of rant.
I had not gleaned this from the forum posts and I had few issues myself. Those for whom the bugs/flaws/changes/inconsistencies impacted their workflow should have been more vocal. There are some of us who would have changed our priorities for feedback and forum pressure had we known the problems were more than an inconvenience.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
People have been vocal. Maybe those problems didn't impact you. But both I and others have been vocal in reporting problems and complaining about bugs and disruptive changes. I've seen plenty of posts, so I guess it's just a difference in perspective. But to simply declare that people haven't been vocal is unfair. The problem is too many people spend too much time downplaying the problems people do complain about, kind of like what's happening on this thread.
If that is what I'd said it would have been unfair. I did not say people had not reported the problem. I said they had not made clear that it "impacted their workflow"..
I have not seen this as a common issue unless you count teaching people to use the software as designed rather than asking it to do what it is not designed for and is unable to do as "downplaying". One can always request a change in how the features work but you have to use them as they do work.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
People have been vocal about this precise thing. So I still think the statement is unfair.
1. Sometimes people are suggesting that the design is not working for their needs. Simply telling them how to use the software as designed (though helpful in one sense) is not directly addressing the core issue that they might be voicing, so it comes across as downplaying even if that's not how it's intended. Even if someone doesn't have the knowledge that you have about the design, doesn't mean their feedback on whether or not the tool is meeting their needs is invalid.
2. You "not seeing" something from the perspective of a forum MVP doesn't dictate what others are experiencing, so you are not the expert on what others are experiencing and therefore don't get to declare from on high that it's not happening just because you're coming from a different vantage point. You in particular have a tendency to confuse your perspective and your user experience with what is reality for everyone, and thus don't view it as merely your perspective but as absolute fact. If MJ doesn't see it or experience it, then it is not happening. When you and others do that, it results in downplaying what others are reporting. Saying people haven't been vocal about disruptions is rather obtuse and not helpful (and untrue), especially considering the fact that you yourself have been involved in many of those types of threads.
How I see my "job" as an MVP - which may not be how other MVPs' view it:
My perspective as an MVP differs from my perspective as a Verbum user only by the obligation to read the majority of posts in the relevant forums e.g. I skip mobile because I do not use it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Thanks, MJ, for doing what you do herein listed.
Thanks for bumping queries.
>>> + thanks to the other folks that help on the fora, as well.
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Why? Because we users continue to spend our hard earned money on this product regardless of how many bugs it has. I'm very disappointed in Logos and their lack of concern and quality control. There is not a competing product, they know it, this what we get.