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EastTN said:MJ. Smith said:Wolfgang Schneider said:
It seems to me that users are mistaking the Go Box as a kind of Search tool and want it to do things which it was not meant to accomplish.
My assessment as well.
Which may suggest that a similarly placed search box would be helpful to a lot of users.
I've not understood Wolfgang's comment. At least in Verbum, the 'Go' box says 'Enter Passage or Search'. That seems simple enough, and exactly what I want. Plus a little Factbook icon next door that can easily be ignored until needed.
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DMB said:
At least in Verbum, the 'Go' box says 'Enter Passage or Search'. That seems simple enough, and exactly what I want
Logos has the same prompt
I think part of the problem, though is that the box does more than those two things::
So two possible options would be:
- Update the prompt so it more accurately shows what is available from this box
- Restrict the functionality to just those two things (and I don't think this is a good idea and I wouldn't expect Faithlife to go down this route)
Having said that (and I do think the text in the box should be changed) the bug Andrew discovered at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/209437/1219986.aspx#1219986 - and its resolution - I believe should go a long way towards addressing the issues people have with this box
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Graham Criddle said:
I think part of the problem, though is that the box does more than those two things::
Actually, as the screen shot shows, the box is really a COMMAND box, it provides a list of different commands (go to, open, search, ...) from which a user then can chose which command should be executed. It seems users want it to just be a shortcut to go e.g. to a Bible reference, etc. (save one step of opening a Bible) by entering the reference in the go box rather than the reference box in the Bible panel (which became popular after MP somewhere mentioned this short cut as "a power user tip")
My sentiment is rather to not mix things ... opening a resource from within the resource, have a command box as the place to enter overall commands (update, sync, etc.)
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Having said that (and I do think the text in the box should be changed) the bug Andrew discovered at https://community.logos.com/forums/p/209437/1219986.aspx#1219986 - and its resolution - I believe should go a long way towards addressing the issues people have with this box
That might indeed be a sort of compromise and work quite a ways ... for people.
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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DMB said:
At least in Verbum, the 'Go' box says 'Enter Passage or Search'. That seems simple enough, and exactly what I want. Plus a little Factbook icon next door that can easily be ignored until needed.
When the GO box was merged into the Command box, FL first referred to it as a universal box. I have requested the text be changed to include Command but got no user support or FL response.
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And me being the simplistic person that I am.... will be happy when Factbook doesn't pop up every time I think about doing something... Yep.... I'll be happy!
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xnman said:
And me being the simplistic person that I am.... will be happy when Factbook doesn't pop up every time I think about doing something... Yep.... I'll be happy!
I'll be the first to admit, I haven't a clue what Factbook is supposed to do (not being catty). Today, I noticed the little 'save' icon for searches. So, I decided to try it out, using the word 'hedonism' ... I didn't know if I made that word up, or it's an actual word.
As it turns out, it's a real word, and the search offerred a Factbook entry.. So, I tried that out (see below). Eventually I just clicked on my english dictionary (below the failed Factbook).
And that's pretty much been my experience .. those unending grey bars that can't just say ... gee, I don't know!
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At this point with 20 years of Logos behind me, I almost never use the Go box OR Factbook.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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At this point with 20 years of Logos behind me, I almost never use the Go box OR Factbook.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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At this point with 20 years of Logos behind me, I almost never use the Go box OR Factbook.
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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And I don't understand why so many of my recent posts have shown up in duplicate...
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected."- G.K. Chesterton
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If you are quick enough, you can delete some. [:)]
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DMB said:
And that's pretty much been my experience .. those unending grey bars that can't just say ... gee, I don't know!
That's strange - in my case the Factbook quickly advised it didn't have anything in those areas - apart from Sermons
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Graham Criddle said:DMB said:
And that's pretty much been my experience .. those unending grey bars that can't just say ... gee, I don't know!
That's strange - in my case the Factbook quickly advised it didn't have anything in those areas - apart from Sermons
Graham --- I got the same response.... but thought it was because I didn't have as many resources or the right kind of resources.... or maybe because I don't like Factbook???? lol
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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Graham Criddle said:
That's strange - in my case the Factbook quickly advised it didn't have anything in those areas - apart from Sermons
Those endless bars are all I’ve seen, unless I use the icon.
May indeed be attitude!
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DMB said:
Those endless bars are all I’ve seen
The "endless bars" actually indicate an application error similar to a crash, but not one that kills the application. If you go to that Factbook page, then upload your logs files, we may be able to track down and fix the cause of the problem. Reporting this in a separate thread would be a nice, though not required.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:
The "endless bars" actually indicate an application error similar to a crash,
Thank you for the followup, Andrew.
I'm probably not the best source to check the error. Either my Mac, Verbum, or macOS, the software doesn't know when it's offline, if it previously was online, and I switch the net off. After that, for the remainder of the day, Verbum can't see the internet, even if it's on. I view this as an unadvertised feature (touch base once a day).
But that seems to be at least the source of the error for me, and it likely occurs in the Search routine, using the following scenarios:
A. On-Line 1stTimeNetUse. Search hedonism. 'Factbook' is printed, about a second delay with spinner, and a link is provided. Clicking on the link opens Factbook, and the sections are correctly populated as appropriate (eg No results, or some results).
B. On-Line then NetTurnedOff: Search as in A. Factbook is printed, and instantly a link is provided (even if hedonism wasn't earlier searched). The link opens Factbook, with none of the sections populating (the error as displayed earlier in the post).
C. Off-line from the start. Search as in A; Factbook is printed, and instantly a link is provided. Opening Factbook, sections having no results, display as no results; those requiring an index search (I assume) keep searching with no success.
D. On-lineFirstUse, or On-lineThenClosed or OfflineFromStart. Open Factbook panel (no search), enter 'Hedonism' and results are correctly displayed as appropriate.
So, the 'error' seems in that instant after Search prints 'Factbook'. I'm guessing you do a quick server query (from the timing and the involvement of the net on/off). Just guessing a failedNet flag doesn't get set at that point in scenarios B and C?
I'm hoping xnman will see your advice, and try it (with logs). He'll likely be a better test. I put the reply here, so he'll see it.
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DMB said:
I'm hoping xnman will see your advice, and try it (with logs). He'll likely be a better test. I put the reply here, so he'll see it.
xnman is just seeing "no results", which is expected. I think you are the only one seeing the endless spinning indicators.
Your "B" example is surprising to me. Your "C" example may or may not be surprising. Which sections keep searching with no success?
It's definitely related to going offline. We would be happy to take a look at your log files if you decide to post them.
DMB said:I'm guessing you do a quick server query (from the timing and the involvement of the net on/off).
Factbook's autocomplete (and search) run against the server, but if the query takes a little longer than expected, it falls back to a local autocomplete that is faster but gives slightly different results). This is the difference in your search result timing. Generally speaking though, most of the other sections don't rely on the network at all, and shouldn't be affected by network status, aside from the obvious Bookstore section and Media (if I remember correctly).
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Andrew Batishko said:
xnman is just seeing "no results", which is expected. I think you are the only one seeing the endless spinning indicators.
Thank you for the explanation. I think I'll take a pass, since it's probably only me.
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I can't wait for LOGOS 10. I'm going to be a reviewer before it comes out
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I can't wait for LOGOS 10. I'm going to be a reviewer before it comes out
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I can't wait for LOGOS 10. I'm going to be a reviewer before it comes out
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Gregory Lawhorn said:
Here are some exciting features coming soon in Logos 10!
I'm hoping for:
Evangelical Buzzword Finder - "Unpack" and identify all of the latest verbiage! New words added every day. Collections from past decades and generations available (SUPER!)
Dubious Aphorisms and Quotes Filter - "When love is felt, the Gospel is heard." Biblical or theological logic/consistency/orthodoxy is optional and certainly NOT required - just add emotion/God words/rhetorical pause for effect ... and you're there! This filter will help you identify DubAph&Quo's so you, too, can use them in your speaking and teaching.
I-Hope-I-am-the-Next-Big-Thing Neologisms Tool - Also known as Coining-New-Phrases-and-Buzzwords-in-Hopes-That-You-Can-Lead-the-Parade Tool. Book sales, TV interviews, published articles, seminar speaking invitations, etc. are not guaranteed - but this tool is a first step.
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JRS said:
I'm hoping for:
Evangelical Buzzword Finder - "Unpack" and identify all of the latest verbiage! New words added every day. Collections from past decades and generations available (SUPER!)
Dubious Aphorisms and Quotes Filter - "When love is felt, the Gospel is heard." Biblical or theological logic/consistency/orthodoxy is optional and certainly NOT required - just add emotion/God words/rhetorical pause for effect ... and you're there! This filter will help you identify DubAph&Quo's so you, too, can use them in your speaking and teaching.
I-Hope-I-am-the-Next-Big-Thing Neologisms Tool - Also known as Coining-New-Phrases-and-Buzzwords-in-Hopes-That-You-Can-Lead-the-Parade Tool. Book sales, TV interviews, published articles, seminar speaking invitations, etc. are not guaranteed - but this tool is a first step.
Excellent choices. You probably have your 'ear to the ground' (practicing), but with these features, I'm thinking 'not tired old arguments!', 'fresh new perspectives!' and 'refusing the latest trendy thinking'.
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JRS said:Gregory Lawhorn said:
Here are some exciting features coming soon in Logos 10!
I'm hoping for:
Evangelical Buzzword Finder - "Unpack" and identify all of the latest verbiage! New words added every day. Collections from past decades and generations available (SUPER!)
I wanted to make a reply using buzzwords to praise this... but I suspect anything I said would sound dated... [;)]
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To be honest, I was really debating adding the Overly-Obtuse Latinism Generator, but I fear that it is only a pipe dream. Oh well, maybe some day ...
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JRS said:
To be honest, I was really debating adding the Overly-Obtuse Latinism Generator, but I fear that it is only a pipe dream. Oh well, maybe some day ...
Call it the Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur tool?
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After much delibierium and even some thinking.... I have through a conscientious effort came to the conclusion of two things...
That you guys are actually on side of being certifiable nuts.... or are so far above me that I am on the lesser world.... lol
But I do enjoy the rhetoric... Thanks.
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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David Wanat said:
Call it the Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur tool?
Excellent! Had to look it up - https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quidquid_latine_dictum_sit,_altum_videtur - but it definitely works. [:)]
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