Didache Bible

Wheatpenny
Wheatpenny Member Posts: 17
edited November 20 in Resources Forum

I'd like to see the Didache Bible in Verbum, It's a study Bible whose notes are based on the Catechism of the RCC.

“It cannot be that the people should grow in grace unless they give themselves to reading. A reading people will always be a knowing people. ”

― John Wesley

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  • MJ. Smith
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    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Frank Hodges
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    I'm not Catholic, but I'll help out with a vote.

    On a sidenote, maybe you guys could help recommend me a good high-level single volume (or cheap multi-volume) Catholic commentary or Study Bible? My library is a bit lacking in that area. I do have A Catholic Commentary on Holy Scripture and Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary. Is there any good "bang for your buck" resources for this?

  • MJ. Smith
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    No longer in Logos, The New Jerome Bible Commentary is a popular choice; I've used the first and second editions but not the third.  Study Bibles - none that are in Logos are bad - I lean towards the notes from the Jerusalem Bible The New Jerusalem Bible: Notes | Logos Bible Software or the NABRE study bible Catholic Study Bible, 2nd ed. | Logos Bible Software

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • John W Gillis
    John W Gillis Member Posts: 133 ✭✭

    Pickings are a bit slim, but the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible: The New Testament (2010) is quite good for a study Bible. Very little of the corresponding OT material is available in Logos unfortunately, mostly because much of it has yet to be published by Ignatius Press. The NT volume is quite affordable.

    The Navarre Bible: New Testament  (2008) is a good single-volume NT commentary that draws upon Catholic tradition. The price is not great, but OK for what you get. It is a revision to a multi-volume commentary published in the late 20th century that also included OT volumes, all of which are available in Logos in different permutations. That/those set(s) are good resources, but probably cost more than you're looking to shell out.

    There are two editions of a Collegeville Bible Commentary from Liturgical Press, covering the entire Catholic canon in one or two volumes: the original was published in 1989; the "New" edition was published in 2009 (NT) and 2015 (OT). Some books are revised more than others in the "New" edition. These both cover a lot of ground at fairly low prices, but they're pretty lightweight, and tend to provide summary and background info moreso than insight. In their favor: they do provide commentary on the deuterocanonical books, which don't get much ink. If you're tempted by the price, you might want to check out some sample pages or even buy one of the single-book volumes @ $6 to see if it provides enough "bang" for your "buck".

  • MJ. Smith
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    Not to disagree with John but allow me to explain why I did not list of these works although I owned and used them long before they were in Logos.

    This work is spearheaded by recent converts who still show traces of Protestant culture. It is very useful for Catholics who recognize this, but I prefer to recommend to Protestants resources that are firmly set in the Catholic mind set.

    Very good, very conservative, and associated with the controversial Opus Dei. I prefer the version that includes the Latin text as having the Vulgate at hand is a constant reminder of the bent of the authors.

    Collegeville Bible Commentary from Liturgical Press,

    Absolutely no objections other than it is more basic than I thought you were looking for.

    My concerns aside, you may find these fit your needs as well or better than my suggestions.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Wheatpenny
    Wheatpenny Member Posts: 17

    I have the Ignatius one both in Verbum and in print form (it's included in the Bronze package). I don't mind it being written by converts since I'm a convert myself (raised Southern Baptist).

    I also have the NT volume of the Collegeville commentary (also included with Bronze).

    Later this week when I get paid, I'm getting the Catholic Study Bible, the New Jerusalem Bible with notes and the Little Rock study Bible. I know that the Little Rock and Catholic Study Bibles have the same notes (the ones from the NAB translation), but I'm getting them for the special features, like the Catholic Study Bible's Reader's Guide which I find indispensable. (I also have both of them in print form).

    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I put in a vote for the Didache Bible, here's hoping Faithlife takes up the suggestion. 

    “It cannot be that the people should grow in grace unless they give themselves to reading. A reading people will always be a knowing people. ”

    ― John Wesley

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 356 ✭✭✭

    Thank you, for all the suggestions! With links and everything!

    So, I have the Ignatius Study Bible (not on Logos though), I didn't know the notes were written by recent converts. That's very good to know. In some ways that's actually a feature not a bug for me and I'll keep that in mind when referencing it. 

    I have a tendency to think people can read my mind, so to be a bit clearer on what it is I'm actually looking for: I'd like something that is pretty far on the "conservatively" Roman Catholic side of the theological spectrum. I'm not very in tune with Catholicism, so I may be wrong in assuming that it's similar to other Christian denominations where you have a spectrum. I'm looking for something that's "very Catholic" without being off the deep end of accepted scholarship (not implying that even exists in the RC world, but I know it exists in the Protestant world). From a quick glance, it looks as though the Catholic Study Bible is what I'm looking for, and at a price point I can reasonably afford. The NJB also looks to be something that will work too (according to the reviews) but for some reason I can't "Peek Inside" that one like I can the others.

    I like all the suggestions that John Gillis gave, but at this point I'd like to just dip my feet in the water with some cheap(er) resources. 

    Right now, it looks like the Catholic Study Bible is my best bet for the time being, and then I'll start to look at some packages. I get a bit overwhelmed looking at the Verbum packages though because I'm pretty ignorant in Catholicism and truth be told it's hard for me to tell the difference between the regular Verbum, Eastern Rite, and Ordinariate (aside from the few resources that are very obviously Orthodox etc.). 

    Since you've all been so helpful as a tangent can y'all tell me if Peter Kreeft and Trent Horn are worth reading (from my perspective, evangelical)? Specifically, I picked up "Why We're Catholic" by Horn and "Confessions of a Cafeteria Catholic" looks intriguing, are either of these good introductory to Catholic theology? If not, can you recommend some names that are worth reading? I'd especially like to read something similar to Zondervan's Counterpoints or B&Hs perspectives series where it's a dialogue, if these at all exist. 

  • MJ. Smith
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    I'd like something that is pretty far on the "conservatively" Roman Catholic side of the theological spectrum.

    "Conservative" in the Catholic world has multiple meanings, some positive and some negative. Peter Kreeft is well worth reading and theologically solid. I am not familiar with Trent Horn. I also recommend Scott Hahn's The Lamb's Supper as a way to understand the liturgy which underlies the theology i.e. as we pray so we believe (Lex orandi, lex credendi). If you don't understand the mind-set of the liturgy, you will mis-read many Catholic resources.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    It sounds like the Catholic Introduction to the Bible: Old Testament may be of interest to you. (There is no NT volume yet.) https://verbum.com/product/205641/a-catholic-introduction-to-the-bible-the-old-testament 

    If you're looking for an accessible book to read in order to get a broad, introductory grasp of Catholic theology and insights into how Catholics think, I suggest reading through the YOUCAT. It was written for Catholic youth who Pope Benedict XVI wanted to learn the(ir own) Faith, but it's also quite suitable for those who are young only at heart. https://verbum.com/product/29612/youcat-youth-catechism-of-the-catholic-church The YOUCAT has an advantage over most other texts in that it is actually an 'official' Catholic book... so you don't need to worry that it doesn't represent Catholic thought. The worst thing you might run into is the occasional awkward translation from the original German. Its Q&A format is appreciated by many, as are the simple but accurate definitions of many theological and liturgical terms in the margins.

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • Don Awalt
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    MJ. Smith said:

    This work is spearheaded by recent converts who still show traces of Protestant culture. It is very useful for Catholics who recognize this, but I prefer to recommend to Protestants resources that are firmly set in the Catholic mind set.

    This Bible is highly regarded in Catholic circles. It is one of few publications these days to receive a nihil obstat and imprimatur. To quote, "The nihil obstat and imprimatur are official declarations that a book or pamphlet is free of doctrinal or moral error. No implication is contained therein that those who have granted the nihil obstat and imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions, or statements expressed." Quite a number of well-regarded study bibles and commentaries do not get these 'seals' for their adherence to correctness.

    The "convert" who is the editor of the Bible is Dr. Scott Hahn, and he has a Catholic theological record that matches anyone. He has been awarded the Father Michael Scanlan, T.O.R., Chair of Biblical Theology and the New Evangelization at Franciscan University of Steubenville, where he has taught since 1990, and is the founder and president of the Saint Paul Center for Biblical Theology. From 2005 to 2011, Dr. Hahn held the Pope Benedict XVI Chair of Biblical Theology and Liturgical Proclamation at St. Vincent Seminary in Latrobe, Pa. And in 2014, Francis Cardinal George appointed Hahn to the newly established McEssy Distinguished Visiting Professorship in Biblical Theology at Mundelein Seminary in Chicago. 

    HIs numerous books have been widely acclaimed and the ratings are high, if you look him up. I have read number of his works, I think The Lamb's Supper, available in Verbum/Logos, is a must read and is often cited by many in its explanation of the Roman Mass and its early Christian ties to scripture, particularly the Book of Revelation. I have also read "Kinship by Covenant: A Biblical Theological Analysis of Covenant Types and Texts in the Old and New Testaments", a book that was his doctoral dissertation. It is also in Logos. He does a masterful job as one of the few scholars who have dissected Holy scripture from the expansion of God's covenants with his people - starting with Adam and Eve, and eventually expanding to a covenant with universal humanity.

    I could go on and on about his record, reputation, and the quality of his writings, imho you really can't go wrong with anything Dr. Hahn touches. I can't ever remember anyone accusing him of not being fairly set in the Catholic mind set.

  • MJ. Smith
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    Don Awalt said:

    It is one of few publications these days to receive a nihil obstat and imprimatur

    You realize that most authors/publishers don't request them therefore, don't receive them? I look for them only in catechetical materials.

    Don Awalt said:

    I can't ever remember anyone accusing him of not being fairly set in the Catholic mind set.

    You clearly don't know the same set of priests that I do. And I have another convert author friend who worked with Scott Hahn for several years. I have nearly all his work and stand by my comment based specifically on my reading of it. I suspect where we differ, given your response, is different understandings of the term "mindset" by which I mean "world view" not theology. Being an excellent Catholic scholar does not require a Catholic mindset.

    Don Awalt said:

    I think The Lamb's Supper, available in Verbum/Logos, is a must read and is often cited by many in its explanation of the Roman Mass and its early Christian ties to scripture, particularly the Book of Revelation

    Precisely why I recommended it above.

    Don Awalt said:

    imho you really can't go wrong with anything Dr. Hahn touches

    I don't think you can "go wrong," I simply think there are other authors who more closely meet the OP's requirements. Somehow, I think I hit a nerve and don't quite understand why. If you think I insulted Scott Hahn, I apologize. That was not my intent.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Don Awalt
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    MJ. Smith said:

    Don Awalt said:

    I can't ever remember anyone accusing him of not being fairly set in the Catholic mind set.

    You clearly don't know the same set of priests that I do. And I have another convert author friend who worked with Scott Hahn for several years. I have nearly all his work and stand by my comment based specifically on my reading of it. I suspect where we differ, given your response, is different understandings of the term "mindset" by which I mean "world view" not theology. Being an excellent Catholic scholar does not require a Catholic mindset.

    You can voice your opinion, I can voice mine. We disagree. I am glad you stand by your opinion. 

    However, I wish you would respect that I have a different opinion than you do. I clearly stated my response was my opinion. I was offering reasons and data for why my opinion is what it is to the OP. I thought having some substantiation might be more useful. Yet you reply with phrases like, "You clearly don't know...".  You have no idea what I know or don't know, so please keep your comments from becoming personal.

    And for the record, local priests weren't even in the group I considered. My opinion was based on theologians, academics, clergy-theologians, professional apologists, and publishers in their comments on Dr. Hahn. In my opinion, they are a trustworthy group whose opinions are relevant to an evaluation of the job an editor did with a new Bible. As for my understanding of the word mindset, I am not sure how you even came to that insight into what I am thinking since all I said on 'mindset' was, "I can't ever remember anyone accusing him of not being fairly set in the Catholic mind set." 

    If you wish to amplify your opinion with some specifics, I am sure the OP and others would enjoy reading some diverse thoughts and views. I for one was disappointed you didn't offer specifics to substantiate your opinion. 

  • MJ. Smith
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    Don Awalt said:

    You can voice your opinion, I can voice mine.

    Agreed

    Don Awalt said:

    I for one was disappointed you didn't offer specifics to substantiate your opinion. 

    I did not consider this the appropriate forum to do so.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • John W Gillis
    John W Gillis Member Posts: 133 ✭✭

    Don Awalt said:

    I can't ever remember anyone accusing him of not being fairly set in the Catholic mind set.

    I obviously can't account for everybody who might have ever had a beef with Dr. Hahn, but I do know there has been internal criticism of him among some Catholic intellectuals for his embrace of a view of Revelation he calls Prima Scriptura. He published an essay in 1993 (he had entered the Catholic Church in 1986) in which he staked out a position which elevates Scripture above Tradition and Magisterium in the sense that Scripture alone is inspired, whereas all three of the proverbial stool legs share the charism of infallibility. Some people have interpreted this as vestigial Protestantism.

    Some Protestant bodies use the same term to describe their view of Revelation in an attenuated version of Sola Scriptura, which undoubtedly has hindered the reception of Hahn's use of the term, although the Protestants certainly do not hold Hahn's view on Tradition and Magisterium. As far as I know, Hahn still uses the term, and the position he holds is hardly alien to Catholicism: just for starters, Aquinas held it pretty explicitly, even if he didn't use the term (which is an obvious response to Sola Scriptura).

    Needless to say, Hahn is as Catholic as St. Augustine was after his conversion, if perhaps not quite his theological equal! One would be hard pressed to find a non-Catholic theologian or Biblical scholar who thought Hahn was anything short of a hard-core Catholic. But around the dinner table, food fights occasionally break out...

  • John W Gillis
    John W Gillis Member Posts: 133 ✭✭

    addendum:

    Hahn's essay on Prima Scriptura is adapted as Chapter 12 of this book you may have in your library: 

    Hahn, Scott. Scripture Matters: Essays on Reading the Bible from the Heart of the Church. Steubenville, OH: Emmaus Road Publishing, 2003.

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  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 356 ✭✭✭

    I have not used my free trial for Verbum Cloud which includes MacEvilly's commentary set, would this commentary set be something that work for me? It also comes in an $18 legacy pack, is it worth that? Alternatively, is there anything in the VC subscriptions that would tickle my fancy? Or considering I have most of the "basics" aka filler that comes with a lot of the starter-bronze packages, I can get some starter-bronze packages for reasonable prices, if that makes any difference in factor. Catholic study Bible does not come in any packages though. 

  • Frank Hodges
    Frank Hodges Member Posts: 356 ✭✭✭

    addendum:

    Hahn's essay on Prima Scriptura is adapted as Chapter 12 of this book you may have in your library: 

    Hahn, Scott. Scripture Matters: Essays on Reading the Bible from the Heart of the Church. Steubenville, OH: Emmaus Road Publishing, 2003.

    logosres:scrptrmttrsssys;ref=Page.p_159

    I don't seem to have that resource, or any by Scott Hahn :(. All of my Catholic resources are the freebies. 

    Maybe looking at it this way might be a better angle. What would be a good starter-bronze legacy/base package that may fulfill my needs. I wouldn't mind having all the info strewn across different resources, if need be, especially if that adds some depth to my studies in the future. 

  • MJ. Smith
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    At this point, I would wait to see what is in the Logos/Verbum 10 libraries before making a recommendation.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,043

    MacEvilly's commentary set, would this commentary set be something that work for me?

    I, personally, have not made much use of it at all, although I have owned it for a long time.

    MJ's advice to wait for the Verbum/Logos 10 packages is probably wise.

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • MJ. Smith
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    MacEvilly's commentary set, would this commentary set be something that work for me?

    It would work but is not ideal as it comes from an era when the commentaries were a bit more dogmatic and geared a bit more towards the clergy. However, it certainly is useful not fatally flawed.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."