Question on New Collegeville bible commentary

I am exploring this commentary in my library......I notice the Old Testament is in 24 resources, and the New Testament is one resource edited by Durken. But the product page shows a list of 25 books (24-OT, 1-NT), yet the little gray boxes below show both OT and NT as one-volume books. Do I understand correctly, that the print version is 2-one volume books, but in Verbum it is 24 OT and 1 NT? Thanks for the clarification!

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John W Gillis

The New Collegeville Commentary, in print, is published in multiple formats: as a single volume, as two volumes (NT+OT), or in 36 fascicles (i.e. booklet form). The first fascicle was published in (I think) 2004. The full NT volume was published in 2009. The OT work was based on the 2010 NABRE OT, and the full OT volume was published in 2015. The single-volume edition is from 2017.

The Logos edition seems to have been cobbled together over the later part of the publication history, but that's just an educated guess. I do recall a time when the Logos edition OT was only available in the fascicle volumes, which made the work considerably more expensive than it seemed to me to warrant, but I don't remember how long ago that was.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229326#Comment_1229326

I do recall a time when the Logos edition OT was only available in the fascicle volumes, which made the work considerably more expensive than it seemed to me to warrant, but I don't remember how long ago that was.

Yes. Once it was pointed out that it had since become available in a single volume, Verbum staff were able to lower the price for it.

DMB

I am exploring this commentary in my library.

Me too; hadn't noticed the NT/OT distinction ... I tagged all the OT volumes and didn't notice I was done quite early.

I've been including it in my subject 'research' ... seems to me, it's a conceptual expansion of Oxford (just trying to position it for future use). Querying the web, it seems to draw a few cultural barbs unexpectedly, but that's good.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229381#Comment_1229381

Not sure I follow all this, so is there a single volume OT in Logos? I think No?

And there is ONLY a single volume NT in Logos, true?

Thanks for your help!

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229589#Comment_1229589

Not sure I follow all this, so is there a single volume OT in Logos? I think No?

And there is ONLY a single volume NT in Logos, true?

Thanks for your help!

If you go to the Verbum.com site, and filter title:collegeville, you get an NT, a 2 volume pair, and a both. Which it says I own them all. It didn't show individual volumes for the OT (might be there, somewhere).

If I go to my Verbum library, whichI just downloaded days ago, I have an NT, mucho OT's (books), and no both. It's too bad I can't 'buy' the 'both'. It's not a hugely thick commentary.

May be due to what Mr Gillis describes (subsequent issuing).

TL Putnam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229619#Comment_1229619

Not sure I follow all this, so is there a single volume OT in Logos? I think No?

The contents of the Single Volume commentary, the Two Volume OT/NT, and the Multi-Volume OT /Single NT, are all identical. As such, we have it packaged as the two volume, and you can only purchase the OT as a unit, but it includes multiple resources in the software which should not affect the way it operates.

Specifically, when you have any volume open and link-set to scripture, it will seamlessly move between resources as you move throughout the scriptural text.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229646#Comment_1229646

I think you concatinated Don and me (and not important).

And appreciate the response. I guess like Don, I'm confused (and unimportant). But on Verbum.com, the Collegeville 2 volume, if you scroll down, seems to be the Collegevile a-bunch-of-volumes.

And having a bunch of volumes is a bit of a pain, if you're using the 'power of Logos' (complement). I tag each commentary for series, ordering (as in the Bible), and so forth. So having 1 volume (or 2) vs a-whole-bunch, matters. And each volume presents as 'who knows' (no series title).

But I'm guessing not your doing. It would be nice to dump the many volumes in favor of the 1 volume. The intro is quite good, but you have to remember it's on its own.

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229663#Comment_1229663

Yes, I have worked with the multi-volume OT resource set, and the single volume NT resource, and they do all function as a series of course when linked to a bible. I guess that's the way this is supposed to work, I am still little confused however!

TL Putnam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229663#Comment_1229663

And having a bunch of volumes is a bit of a pain, if you're using the 'power of Logos' (complement). I tag each commentary for series, ordering (as in the Bible), and so forth. So having 1 volume (or 2) vs a-whole-bunch, matters. And each volume presents as 'who knows' (no series title).

But I'm guessing not your doing. It would be nice to dump the many volumes in favor of the 1 volume. The intro is quite good, but you have to remember it's on its own.

Someone earlier rightly pointed out that we produced these before there was a one-volume OT. We had to make a choice at that time how to handle the volumes. If we had combined them into a single resource, we would have had to retire the old volumes and make a new single-volume resource. This would open up the possibility that a person could "re-purchase" the one-volume, even though they already had all the content contained in the individual volumes. It affects dynamic pricing, clutters the library, and any notes entered on the old multi-volume would not be present in the new single-volume.

I agree that there are some drawbacks to having so many individual volumes, but ultimately it is a better experience for anyone who has had the commentary for a long time. No solution is going to be perfect, but we do try to consider multiple perspectives when creating the best product possible.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229708#Comment_1229708

Thank you, TL!

TL Putnam

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229710#Comment_1229710

my pleasure!

Don Awalt

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1229715#Comment_1229715

Ah that explanation makes sense. Thank you TL!