Legacy Standard Bible
Comments
-
I probably shouldn't ask, but is a reverse interlinear version on the way?
0 -
Gregory Lawhorn said:
I probably shouldn't ask, but is a reverse interlinear version on the way?
Depends on what you mean by “on its way.” The RI is included in the full feature set. Release TBD
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
JT (alabama24) said:Gregory Lawhorn said:
I probably shouldn't ask, but is a reverse interlinear version on the way?
Depends on what you mean by “on its way.” The RI is included in the full feature set. Release TBD
Isn't the RI necessary to have cross bible connections- highlights, corresponding word, etc.?
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
highlights, corresponding word
Yes - but we don't know when it will be available as yet.
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
Yes- but the general layout is still out of whack- "17But even if I am being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all." a space is still needed betwenn verse number and the verse.
Can you post a screenshot and confirm the version of the resource that is installed?
0 -
Planned is good. It took about a year to get the LSB in Logos; hopefully the RI won't take that long.
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
Yes- but the general layout is still out of whack- "17But even if I am being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all." a space is still needed betwenn verse number and the verse.
Can you post a screenshot and confirm the version of the resource that is installed?
0 -
FWIW, mine looks normal.
Win10 home; 32GB RAM; i7 - 10700 CPU @ 3. 80 GHz (10th gen, 8 cores); GTX 950 Video Card (2GB); SSD
0 -
That said, while I'm delighted the LSB is finally in Logos, I'm really disappointed it isn't fully tagged as ESV is. I'd love to hear a date, and I'd love it to be soon! Bradley?
Win10 home; 32GB RAM; i7 - 10700 CPU @ 3. 80 GHz (10th gen, 8 cores); GTX 950 Video Card (2GB); SSD
0 -
I think a bit more precision might help focus future questions and direct them to the appropriate department. More succinctly, the reverse interlinear included in some feature sets has not been released yet. This is not a programming issue (Bradley) but a data and production issue (??? and Kyle).
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:Whyndell Grizzard said:
Yes- but the general layout is still out of whack- "17But even if I am being poured out as a drink offering upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I rejoice and share my joy with you all." a space is still needed betwenn verse number and the verse.
Can you post a screenshot and confirm the version of the resource that is installed?
I did not have "one bible verse par line" ticked, did it now it looks as it should- sorry false alarm
.0 -
I am equally eager for the full tagging. Logos has spoiled us for anything less than what we have come to know and love about our favorite software. [8-|]
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
Can you post a screenshot and confirm the version of the resource that is installed?
What is the version of this resource? (From Resource Information in the LSB.)
0 -
The formatting is fine for me
0 -
Whyndell Grizzard said:
I did not have "one bible verse par line" ticked, did it now it looks as it should- sorry false alarm
.I see it now.
Yes, you can avoid this by either enabling "Non-Bible text" or "One verse per line", or by disabling the "Bible text only" visual filter.
0 -
Can the LSB be viewed in paragraph form?
0 -
Please tell me why are the words of Christ are in black and white in the LSB? This is a tremendous disappointment for me. Even Bible Study 6 has the words of Christ in red in the NT of the LSB translation.
Why are Logos doing this?
0 -
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The original material available to us did not include this data, but we're working to get it and it's something we can add. Thank you very much for your patience!
Have a great day.
0 -
Thank you Majo
0 -
LSB ISSUE
Hi Majo: Please let me know if the OT quotations that are found throughout the NT in the LSB translation are going to be corrected or not. The gigantic format that the LSB has is out of proportion with the rest of the words. However, I do understand that it is NOT Logos' fault. I believe the Publishers of the LSB sent it that way, but they didn't do it with the NASB 1995 or the '20 update.
I vaguely remember if you responded to my first inquiry. If Logos does not plan to update it, please, let me know so that I can discard the LSB and find another translation that has better optics.
Below is a screenshot that exemplifies what I'm saying,
Thank you very much,
Joseph
0 -
Joseph Luna said:
OT quotations
They are supposed to be capitalized in the LSB. To trash this translation on that basis is an exceedingly poor strategy. This is an extremely good one. My friendship with one of the translators has no bearing on my evaluation.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
0 -
mab said:Joseph Luna said:
OT quotations
They are supposed to be capitalized in the LSB. To trash this translation on that basis is an exceedingly poor strategy. This is an extremely good one. My friendship with one of the translators has no bearing on my evaluation.
It looks to me as though the criticism relates to the size of the capitalized font. I don't have LSB in Logos, so can't confirm, but is the capitalized font larger than the lower case font? It looks so, but could be an optical illusion.
0 -
Paul Caneparo said:
It looks so, but could be an optical illusion.
I copied the first upper-case 'B' (But) and pasted it next to the quote-B (Behold). See below. Looks one size bigger (the quote). Qualifies for 'gigantic', in modern parlence (not conversant with an LSB translator, but doesn't impact my software).
ADDED: Just curious, I don't have a LSB hard copy, but in Amazon Look-Inside, long upper-cases BEGIN with a size bigger (and return to same size, upper-case, after 1st letter).
Example from Joseph's screen copy:
0 -
I did a test of my own. I increased the font size of Matthew 1 as large as I could and then selected a normal capital B and a small-caps B. Here they are side by side in. I made them different colors so that I could superimpose them on the right.
I'm on a Mac running Ventura 13.2, and Logos 22.0.21 (the latest beta).
0 -
No, that's not the case. Both the NASB 1977, 1995 and 2020 have capitalized forms for OT quotations in the NT but are not as huge as the LSB. If you will, please check the LSB online, and you will notice that the capitalization of the OT quotes is normal.
0 -
I use a Mac also, but your example makes no sense to me. All I'm saying is that the capitalization of the OT quotes in in the NT should be in normal caps like the '77, '95, and the 2020 use.
Below is a comparison:
0 -
Joseph Luna said:
All I'm saying is that the capitalization of the OT quotes in in the NT should be in normal caps
You are mistaken that those other translations in your screenshot are using "normal caps." They are not, which is actually part of your issue.
- The two versions of the NASB that you have shown are using "small caps." That is to say, they are using small versions of capital letters. Small caps perform many functions including allowing some words to be emphasised with larger caps. Look at the "W" and "H" in "When He..."
- The capital letters in the LSB quotations of the OT are simply normal caps. I compared the "H" in "WHEN HE" to the captial letters in other words such as "He Himself" and they are the same height... however:
- It appears that your brown highlighting may also include bold... I am not sure on that. In your screenshot, it appears to me that the OT quote in verse 8 has thicker caps than (for example) the h's in "He Himself." That does not appear to be the case in my installation. That may indicate bolding on your side or simply an visual illusion because of the differences in color.
To summarize the issue as I see it: The Logos edition of the LSB does not use small caps in the NT quoting of OT. I do not know if the publisher included them or not.
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
Here is a comparison of normal vs. small cap. Not all font families have small cap, and not all word processors recognize small cap. Also note: each of these letters is the same "point" size. I did not "shrink" any letters in the second line.
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
You are correct, but why the change? A new screenshot (without adding color) will show the LSB is using large caps that are huge in comparison to the NASB 1995, and NASB 2020. Why not use small caps like the previous NASB's? Is there a way to fix this or not?
0 -
You must think I'm an idiot. I know what small caps and large caps are. That is beside the point. The LSB translation uses NORMAL CAPS in COMPARISON to the '95 and '20 editions that use small caps.
My question is whether Logos can fix this issue or not.
Thanks,
0 -
I did not call or imply that you were an idiot. Most people don’t know what small caps are. I have no idea how difficult the fix might be. However, knowing the actual issue is required to make a fix. I’d encourage you to make a new post explaining the issue clearly. That will be the most effective way to communicate with FL About the issue.
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
Joseph Luna said:
I use a Mac also, but your example makes no sense to me. All I'm saying is that the capitalization of the OT quotes in in the NT should be in normal caps like the '77, '95, and the 2020 use.
My point is simply that the Old Testament quotations are not "gigantic" versus the normal text. They are simply in all capitals. Another poster had suggested that they were slightly larger, so I investigated on my own system and found them to be exactly alike.
If I may say so, your attitude seems very defensive. No one here is trying to make things harder. We all do this with good intentions and a desire to help. Use the LSB or don't; it's your choice.
0 -
Gregory Lawhorn said:
My point is simply that the Old Testament quotations are not "gigantic" versus the normal text. They are simply in all capitals. Another poster had suggested that they were slightly larger, so I investigated on my own system and found them to be exactly alike.
I think we're getting our issues vs causes mixed up:
- I looked at the ISSUE of gigantism, noting the OT quotes were probably a size larger than normal upper-case, in LSB. I also wondered exactly what the hard copy (publisher) looked like.
- You (correct me as needed) looked at a potential CAUSE (use of lower capitals, noting no size difference)
- Alabama similarly spoke to the potential CAUSE (lower capitals), noting no difference
- Joseph compared older versions (ISSUE of gigantism) noting the latest was visually overwhelming
I'm not an LSB'er (the LSB being neither 'literal' nor 'standard'), but if I were, it'd definitely be distracting (ISSUE) for no apparent reason (CAUSE).
Now. Speaking to the CAUSE of gigantism, I'd also suspect the font contributes to the problem ... the upper-case font is heavily squared, so when presented against lower-case, the graphics driver softens the lower-case (many curves) but doesn't for the upper-case (heavily squared). Easily seen when the JPG algorithm comes along.
0 -
DMB said:
- You (correct me as needed) looked at a potential CAUSE (use of lower capitals, noting no size difference)
True. I simply compared capital letters.
DMB said:
- Joseph compared older versions (ISSUE of gigantism) noting the latest was visually overwhelming
I'm not an LSB'er (the LSB being neither 'literal' nor 'standard'), but if I were, it'd definitely be distracting (ISSUE) for no apparent reason (CAUSE).
"Overwhelming" and "distracting" are a matter of personal taste (perhaps 'sensitivity' would also be an appropriate word). I don't question that the letter size is off-putting to some. That doesn't mean it is off-putting to all.
DMB said:Now. Speaking to the CAUSE of gigantism, I'd also suspect the font contributes to the problem ... the upper-case font is heavily squared, so when presented against lower-case, the graphics driver softens the lower-case (many curves) but doesn't for the upper-case (heavily squared). Easily seen when the JPG algorithm comes along.
I looked at the effect with several different fonts, and to my eyes, the effect is less pronounced with Gentium. But again, these are very much matters of personal taste. I would have no objection to Logos adjusting the All Caps to true Small Caps. But I also have no objection to the way it is currently.
The font sizes are objectively measurable. The impact on the user is highly subjective.
0 -
I apologize if I sounded "defensive", but I am a very practical man looking for solutions from Logos. If they are going to fix it, great, but if not, then I will look for another translation.
PS I use Logos 6-8 hours every day and have been doing it since I retired back in 2012, therefore any annoyance like this is a big deal to me. 😇
0 -
I tried different fonts, but none helped. The fact is that the LSB is using OT quotations that do not line up with the size of the NAS77, '95 or even the '20 editions. Why change something that was working fine?
The LSB has an online free version whose quotations seem normal in size to me, so why did they change it when they sent their format to Logos? I wrote them an e-mail asking them to look into it, but I doubt that they will respond to a little peon like me.
0 -
I sent a message to FL.
macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!0 -
Thank you JT, I apprecite your willingness to help.
God bless you brother,
Joseph
0
