Basic Search AND and OR same results

I don't have great experience with searching because I found L3's explanation in the help unintelligible (archane, technical) and never got the results I expected. Now I'm in a similar boat with L4 except there are no help files explanations.

I thought AND meant both/all terms have to be present and OR means one of the terms has to be present.

I ran a basic search for "innocent" AND "innocences" in one resource and got 2 hits. One hit had innocent and the other had innocence. The results said I got "4 results in 2 articles." The words were highlighted in red/pink - just one in each reference. I open the resource - no extra highlights and no other word.

I ran the same search with OR - identical results.

Here's a screen shot of one of the resources. I can't see two hits or the other word.

Is this a Bug or a mistake by me?

Chris

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spitzerpl

Is this a Bug or a mistake by me?

If you do a search on either one of the terms you still get both hits. I think because the words are linked as related they are hits for both words, which would make the AND and OR statements irrelevant. There is a way to limit it to exact words, but I forget how.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12406#Comment_12406

in V3 the way to make sure that ONLY the particular word showed was "exact:word" right?

Dave Hooton

I ran a basic search for "innocent" AND "innocences" in one resource and got 2 hits. One hit had innocent and the other had innocence. The results said I got "4 results in 2 articles." The words were highlighted in red/pink - just one in each reference. I open the resource - no extra highlights and no other word.

I ran the same search with OR - identical results.

The apparent lack of second hit depends how big a "chapter" is in one resource. Obviously not the O's. Do a Find for the second occurrence (click arrow below the icon)

If you click on the arrow below the Search magnifying glass you will see "Match all word forms". If unticked it is doing a v3 "exact" match - i think it does this by default in Beta 2. If ticked then "innocent" will match "innocence".

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12445#Comment_12445

I ran a basic search for "innocent" AND "innocences" in one resource and got 2 hits. One hit had innocent and the other had innocence. The results said I got "4 results in 2 articles." The words were highlighted in red/pink - just one in each reference. I open the resource - no extra highlights and no other word.

I ran the same search with OR - identical results.

The apparent lack of second hit depends how big a "chapter" is in one resource. Obviously not the O's. Do a Find for the second occurrence (click arrow below the icon)

If you click on the arrow below the Search magnifying glass you will see "Match all word forms". If unticked it is doing a v3 "exact" match - i think it does this by default in Beta 2. If ticked then "innocent" will match "innocence".

I think it may be counting each hit twice, because if you search for innocent or innocence each by itself, you get the same two hits, but it says 2 results in 2 articles. So when you do the combined search it's like it's doing a separate search for each search word and then merging the results and adding the total result count together.

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12445#Comment_12445

The apparent lack of second hit depends how big a "chapter" is in one resource. Obviously not the O's. Do a Find for the second occurrence (click arrow below the icon)

If you click on the arrow below the Search magnifying glass you will see "Match all word forms". If unticked it is doing a v3 "exact" match - i think it does this by default in Beta 2. If ticked then "innocent" will match "innocence".

Dave,

You're right. Thanks. But I don't understand what you mean by "Obvioiusly not the O's." When I unticked the "Match all word forms" I got no results. When I searched for either a second occurence or an occurence of the other word, I got nothing. I'll try one with unrelated words.

Thanks,

Chris

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12449#Comment_12449

I think it may be counting each hit twice, because if you search for innocent or innocence each by itself, you get the same two hits, but it says 2 results in 2 articles. So when you do the combined search it's like it's doing a separate search for each search word and then merging the results and adding the total result count together.

Yes, I agree. See my previous post as well -- eventually I'll get this, I hope. It is a powerful tool, but can be intimidating.

Chris

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12449#Comment_12449

I think it may be counting each hit twice, because if you search for innocent or innocence each by itself, you get the same two hits, but it says 2 results in 2 articles.

Tod and Chris,

The problem arises because innocent and innocence will match when you Match all word forms - they come from the same stem, to use a v3 term. The unfortunate consequence is that innocent AND innocence will produce the same results as innocent OR innocence. This also happens in v3 but v4 counts each hit twice when you Match all word forms.

I'm filing a separate Bug/Problem report called Some Search Idiosyncrasies/Bugs

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/12484#Comment_12484

For all of you Geometry buffs--in mathematical terms, the Intersection and Union of the sets is equal.