What do you think of QuickStart and Home Page layouts?

I use custom layouts the most. I sometimes start with a Home Page or Quick Start layout if I am starting some new type of study, and then customize from there.

I love the Home page. I have books, devotionals, calendars, and reference material in the top part, and I have most categories checked in the Explore section, as I like to scroll down and see what's new all on one place without having to click anything except when I want more info (or to grab a Prepub, read more of a blog, etc.)

I wish the Home Page automatically updated to the new day - I leave Verbum up all the time in its own window, so in the morning I have to click on a resource, "Close all" to get the Home page refreshed and in the position I Had it in before (I actually have the Explore section near the top so I can see more of it - a Close All resets the Home Page to the very top.

Scrolling down the Home page, especially in the Explore section, is VERY slow. Sometimes I wonder if it's frozen.

Today in History is great - how about some more Catholic references? I read them all.

Aesthetically, I much prefer the smaller windows then when there is some rather silly graphic from a blog or something that takes up 2-3 columns wide. Yuck.

Other than that, the more pleasing it can look (professional colors, layout, uniformity in size, etc) the better!

1) I almost always use my customized layouts built from scratch. Yet, I appreciate the others being there for inspiration or examples of something else to try, ideas to organize windows in another way, etc. (This is analogous to a synthesizer's presets, if that makes any sense. )

2) I use the command/Go box frequently, but mainly when another way of getting to where I need doesn't exist in a window that's already open, or when an available symbol isn't nearby.

3) I don't use the homepage often. I get emails and read forum stuff enough that I don't learn much about what's happening from it. Yet, I will occasionally go there when I'm between things for unwrapping some books I wouldn't ordinarily go to instinctively. That is, I use it in a manner similar to FSD.

1. Layout menu

I guess.  Like some, I never looked at it.  But if I were new, it's not obvious what they are.  There's nothing that prevents explanatory text to the right.  And 'QuickStart' is meaningless; QuickStart would be its own main UI button (for newbies).  I would lay odds, most users don't know what 'Replace with Current Layout' is (ie the section can be used for named layouts, I presume, from Help).

2. Command/Go. 

Personally the design is a disaster.  I'd let the user select what they want (eg a customize button), instead of the crazy 5 tries, and scan down the long list for something you want.  For me, commands (a LIST).  I never remember the command syntax.

3. Home Page

Like most (on the thread) don't use it.  Used to.  Looking at the current version, I don't do the top section.  I'm offline for the bottom section.  I do like the Excerpt section but don't use it ... can't select excerpt sources (collection, tagged, type, etc).   Don't need excerpts from all the books that get dumped in my library (buying packages).

But worse, if you don't want a major section, you're stuck with it (the top just stays there, in my case).   And finally, every time there's a major update, you have to go in and kill the ones you don't want.  Leave it alone and put up a banner for new, if that.

I looked at the home page once, and never used it. I'm always set to reopen my last-used layout. I have also never used the quick-start layouts. That may be a function of me using Logos for a long time (though far from a power-user.) I suspect they would be useful to new users of the software. 

Thank you Mark, for keeping your finger on the pulse of the Logos user/client base.

Like many others, I never use the Home page and rarely touch the Command Box.  I've glanced at the QuickStart layouts a few times from the Layouts menu, but so far I've just used my own.  I think the QickStart layouts can be great for new users though, and I like knowing they are there for my own potential future reference/inspiration.

I appreciate how you often ask how we use certain functions of Logos. When you do this, it shows me that you are interested in what us users are actually using and working with. I remember you did this with Search last year... and then Search got greatly improved.  I am especially thankful for that.  Kudos to you for all this.

Do you find these layouts helpful in principle?

• Do I find layouts helpful? Absolutely, they are an incredibly helpful feature.
• Do I find the QuickStart layouts and Home page layouts helpful? Yes, I think layouts are possibly the most important and helpful way for new users to get to grips how to use logos, the resources, and the tools. For example, I got to see and use resources and tools linked together for the first time via layouts. One nuance, I graduated beyond using the quick start and home page layouts fairly quickly, and now almost exclusively use my own custom layouts. However, the quick start and home page layouts were instrumental in showing me how I could use and display my resources/tools, and I would refer back to them regularly to see if there was things they were doing that I wanted to integrate into my own layouts.

Do you think the layouts we have open the right resources in the right places? 

• Generally, yes. I think the QuickStart layouts and home, page layouts open the right resources in the right places

Are there simple, beginner-friendly layouts you think we should add?

• Yes! I've tried to select layouts that showcase features/advantages of using bible software over analogue pen/paper. Also selected features that I think are really helpful or useful for new users to be introduced to.
• Resource Reading Plan: Similar to the Bible reading plan, but the idea is it introduces the users to the concept of reading plans and note taking in resources other than the bible. It would have the main resource open, plus the reading plan, notes and highlighter tool. John Bunyan's Pilgrim Progress might be a good resource to use, it's out of copyright and an edifying read. 
• Parallel Gospels: Being able to display parallel gospel accounts at the same time is one of the coolest things we can do with digital bibles! To do the same in paper, you either need to purchase a dedicated resource like Kurt, have multiple physical bibles, or do a lot of page flipping. Let's showcase this, plus add in a study bible and notes for good measure. 
• Course: Again, designed to get new users into the idea of how they might use logos to do a course. Have the course open on one side with the appropriate resources on the other. Not much thought has gone into this layout on my end yet…
• Original Language Reading: The current original language layouts are focused on word studies, which is helpfulish. However, many new users are seminary students - and when you study language at seminary or college they are doing much more then word studies. These new users need to see how they can use logos for translation, which means using the textual apparatuses etc. I also have 'cited by' opening up any grammars that reference the passage.
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• Original Language Vocab: Similarly, new college users are very often learning vocab. Let's introduce them to the pronunciation tool, and morphology chart. Both very helpful tools that are underutilized. I've added the pronunciation tool for obvious reasons. But the morphology tool allows me to see immediate usage of the word in different contexts, very helpful when I want to practice translation. A lexicon is there so I can see how a word might be translated.
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Other thoughts...

• I think the current access via layout menu, command box and home page is more than sufficient. I suspect almost everyone uses the layout menu, hence it's prime position on the toolbar. Access via the command box doesn't add much for most users, and I'd be tempted to remove it from the options to help de-clutter the results (or at least have the option to disable layouts appearing in results). Adding 'update active layout' to the toolbar would also be very help for me.
• Home access would be helpful for people who open home as their default, and the advantage of accessing layouts via home is that you have some idea of what resources are being used in the layout. Two suggestions however. First, only resources used in the layout are displayed, not the tools or interactive media etc. If I am to have an understanding of what the layout does beyond the title, listing the tools and interactive media in use would be a big help. Second, only primary resources opened are listed - resources opened via 'multiple book display' are not listed. Almost all of my layouts have 'multiple books display' permanently enabled on a panel somewhere, and seeing those resources listed along with the other stuff when viewing layouts on home would be helpful.
• While we are on the topic, allowing users to customize the layout card title header would be very helpful. We see this already on some cards. Even if we simply had different shades/colours, it would allow me find and select what I'm after much quicker. Your picture of the home dashboard shows the issue mark, I potentially need to 'read' a lot of things before I find what I want. But if for example I decided that the 'psalms explorer' is green and the 'topic study' is gold, I can find and select those much quicker amongst the  sea of words that is my home screen.
• As others have said, the QuickStart/Homepage layout distinction is pointless and potentially adds confusion. Have them all under one heading.
• Consider offering academic layouts which come with the academic essentials package or something
• Multiple layouts open at the same time? Being able to switch between layouts like how people have multiple desktop would be helpful for people like me - I tend to set up my layouts to perform discrete functions and switch between them like people switch between MS Office applications. To produce a bible study or a sermon, I might use 3-4 different layouts.

I wish I could create a layout of 'resource type' locations so I could set where each type of resource or app opens. For example, I would like all Bibles and search panes to open on the left and all commentaries, notes, clicked search results to open on the right. I would like this to not be linked to a specific resource that I have to keep updating every session for it to keep up with me.