The Not-so-factual Factbook
I just purchased Logos 9 Legacy Starter pack and have been using it for 4 days now. So far, I am having a hate/love relationship with it. Besides the fact that most tutorials are geared towards the high-end/high-cost version and leaving me confused as to why I can't get certain features to work, duh! I cannot seem to figure out the Factbook
I am following a tutorial that is on my home page, you know the one where they try to sell you everything, and it states to open the Factbook and type "Baptism" and then select " Baptism Systematic Theology". So I do but I get "No Results". Wait, how is that possible? I just had Systematic Theology opened and was reading it! So I opened the book again and searched "Baptism", I get tons of info. 509 references to be exact! So why can't Factbook do this? Do I need to spend more $$ to have that function work? (Sarcasm)
So what am I doing wrong?
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- Open a search panel
- Select the books tab For resources change all books to systematic theologies book type use the search argument LSTO:baptism run the search - the result should match what you have in the Factbook section
- For resources change all books to systematic theologies book type
- use the search argument LSTO:baptism
- run the search - the result should match what you have in the Factbook section
So why can't Factbook do this?
Why can't a flour mill mill logs? The search is showing you places where the word "baptism" appears; Factbook is showing you books on the topic of baptism. Note there is a middle ground in which the search shows you text tagged as on the topic of baptism - the section rather than the entire book on the subject.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
So why can't I reproduce it?
It depends upon what is in your library. I've added a screen shot from my application which may help clarify the situation. I have books meeting the necessary qualifications - their titles should help you see what sorts into which category.
Sorry my play on apples to oranges rubbed you the wrong way. I assure you that "snarky" as used from the mid-90's on is outside my vocabulary and behavior.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
to check to see if there should be results in Systematic Theologies from your library:
If you open your library in detail view, you can click on type to sort the results and see what Systematic Theology books you have - these are the only books that will be considered by either the Search or the Factbook. If you have results in the Search but not in the Factbook you may have found a bug. Note that we are NOT looking for the word "baptism" we are looking for a Lexham Systematic Theology Ontology tag of baptism i.e. a section in a Systematic Theology book discussing the theology of baptism.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Yet you get results in your Systematic Theology section. I don't.
It looks that, according to your screenshot, you don't get a Systematic Theology section
I think, but am not sure, that this requires an additional dataset - https://www.logos.com/product/183794/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset - that is available in Logos 10 Bronze Feature Upgrade and above.
So my Systematic Theology book doesn't belong in the Systematic Theology section? Weird. What if I paid $600? Then would it belong? Rhetorical question.
I am not a pastor and don't give sermons. I'm just trying to enrich my home church. The Bibles and commentaries work quite well so I guess that's all I need. I'll stop complaining now.
Paul,
Yet you get results in your Systematic Theology section. I don't.
You need https://www.logos.com/product/166212/lexham-systematic-theology-ontology-dataset which would be cheaper than upgrading to the Silver Features. It will show the single ST book you get with Logos 9 Starter.
I have a bigger Library and also do not get any results in Books from your Library!
I think, but am not sure, that this requires an additional dataset - https://www.logos.com/product/183794/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset -
This can be purchased at https://www.logos.com/product/53402/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset
You can also purchase https://www.logos.com/product/56415/biblical-theology-cross-references-dataset and each dataset has its own Theologies section in Passage Guide. Both are available in the Bronze Feature Upgrade.
Dave
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Wait, so I would have to pay $50 just to have Factbook link to a book I already own?
Yes, that would be rather silly, wouldn't it? But that is not what you are paying for. You are paying for having the resources screened so that you don't have to skim through every resource that has a particular word (think sequence of letters) but that you know the word is used in the sense that you are looking for and that it is actually the topic of the discussion not an occurrence of the word in passing. In my case, I had nearly 20,000 resources containing the word baptism, a little over 300 of which were on the topic of baptism, and only 100 of which were systematic theology discussions of baptism. That is what the $50 is for. You are correct that for a small library, it has little value and your credulity is justified. However, for a research library, paying for the screening (think natural language processing AI) is well worth the $50.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
What doesn't seem to have been stated clearly in this thread is what is, in my opinion, stated more clearly in these previous forum posts concerning the same basic question.
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/195909/1133073.aspx#1133073
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/198816/1152541.aspx#1152541
https://community.logos.com/forums/p/212756/1240306.aspx#1240306
From those posts, it seems clear to me that there is some specific tagging that has been done in order for selections to show up in the "Books from Your Library" part of Factbook. It also seems evident that in order for the part "Systematic Theologies" to be presented in Factbook that a particular dataset is needed. Those two things might assist, in some cases, in identifying particular resources. However, it's worthwhile keeping in mind that the absence of these does not keep us from identifying useful resources through the use of Search. It's frustrating when a particular method is highlighted, particularly in a training video, and then not be able to gain the identical advantage that was demonstrated. I have not made frequent use of Factbook, but when I have and when, in the course of doing so, checked on "Books from Your Library" I have not found results most of the time. I've concluded that I need to a) focus on other aspects of Factbook and b) use Search to identify resources that will help me out most of the time.
For God and For Neighbor
Are you a new user or upgrading from a previous version of Logos? The Legacy libraries are just books without features. If you want the Starter or Bronze features, you would need to buy a Logos 10 package. The feature sets come with the current version base packages, or you can buy a feature set stand-alone. They don't come with Legacy libraries.
Yep ... me neither. But don't feel bad ... my library's only about 6,000 or so, and maybe $50K or so. Pretty tiny.
But the principle seems to be 'tagging' ... if your Systematic Theology volume 3 isn't tagged for Factbook, it's a NoBook. And apparently I'm tagged-free (on Baptism - Systematic Theology).
My other Factbook complaint (besides not wanting to be fed pre-digested 'facts'), is if you right-click a word that Factbook knows about, Factbook is MIA. Even Text Comparison can deduce more than that. You have to open Factbook ... type in the word (or paste) and off you go. Really convenient.
That's a pretty big library! Mine is more like 176, much left to be desired.
I don't know how you manage to get it to not give results. After you have selected the tab on the left as to hat information you are talking about, are you clicking the Factbook option near the top on the right side? If there isn't a factbook option that means your selection for type of information on the left is not a type Factbook processes. From your description are you wanting lemma?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
Probably I'm not being clear. The example below is just a simple one ... reading along .... a word Factbook knows about (untagged) ... right-click it ... everybody knows about the word except Factbook. I did check to see I'm online (who knows! ... I can even report a typo!).
I understand - a selection is to the best of my knowledge never a factbook entry. The entry in factbook always has a tag associated with it. The untagged entries in the drop down menu are always ambiguous asking you to select a type.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."