This resource ...
Dictionary of Paul and His Letters: A Compendium of Contemporary Biblical Scholarship, 2nd ed. (IVP Bible Dictionary)
looks promising if only for this reason...
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Over 95% of the articles have been written specifically for this edition.
That is quite a significant rewrite.
I have the first edition. I love the whole series. It's a little too pricy for me to justify right now after the L10 release, but I'm sure I'll pick it up eventually.
It's a little too pricy for me to justify right now after the L10 release
It has a publishing date of 2023 so it will be some months until it comes out in Logos, I expect.
Logos 11 base package, then!
Thanks for posting this info, Roy!
Quick question: What makes these particular dictionaries unique/stand out from, say, ABD?
I have seen this series numerous times & invariably wonder what these volumes offer that’s not found in other reputable Bible dictionaries.
I must say that they do “look good” though (if that makes any sense🥴).
The IVP Dictionaries tend to be closer to a commentary, compared to an AYB or similar, which are more descriptive. And so the IVP group spend more time on arguments, shades of interpretation, etc ... specific to the books covered. An example below, on Paul and 'Principalities'.
The downside, is there's no 7-volume index. A subject can be in vol 2, 3, and 6 ... maybe. You need to check. I keep IVP in my dictionary layout linked, due to this problem.
Quick question: What makes these particular dictionaries unique/stand out from, say, ABD? The IVP Dictionaries tend to be closer to a commentary, compared to an AYB or similar, which are more descriptive. And so the IVP group spend more time on arguments, shades of interpretation, etc ... specific to the books covered. An example below, on Paul and 'Principalities'. The downside, is there's no 7-volume index. A subject can be in vol 2, 3, and 6 ... maybe. You need to check. I keep IVP in my dictionary layout linked, due to this problem.
Okay, I see what you mean.
Next step is how to convince the lady of the house why it’s an absolute must that I add this series to a library of approx. 7,000 resources🤫.
All manipulative ploys shamelessly welcome🥴!
Really they're an excellent resource for biblical study/biblical theology. I turn to them (when I remember I have them!) whenever I want to know about what a certain genre/section of the Bible said about X or want to know all the major issues surrounding topic Y. They're really nice resources.
One thing I noticed before I was able to get the complete collection was that they do seem to go on sale fairly frequently--at least that was the case a few years ago.
I originally bought the IVP dictionaries with the Britannica Great Books Set and and Leland Ryken's Reading the Bible as Literature Collection
https://www.logos.com/product/55052/great-books-of-the-western-world
https://www.logos.com/product/167662/reading-the-bible-as-literature-collection
The IVP dictionaries include articles that cover genre and literary terms that I needed.
I am too poor to attend a private Christian college so I have been combining secular classes that are paid for with Pell grants with free unaccredited classes from Bible schools. My secular professors are increasingly allowing me to use Logos and other religious resources in my secular papers as I I learn how to do it "correctly" and use things that are expensive and usually behind paywalls.
I have collected as many secular and secular-friendly resources as possible. The professors cannot tell me not to use Logos when they are praising me for quoting from books in the Britannica Great Books set. I use the IVP Dictionary set a lot, but it was one of my first big purchases rather than purchased after something "better".
When I came back east this summer, after a couple years out west, I was eligible for some type of Covid grant to cover resources and equipment to make it easier to participate in remote schooling. The physical school library was still closed almost all the time, so I was able to justify spending some of the grant money on Logos software. I was awarded my grant the last week that the grants needed to be distributed and any money not spent that week went back to the government. They let me do anything I wanted that I could justify well enough to cover their backsides. I upgraded to a package with more genre and literary features and more dictionaries and encyclopedias.
I am enrolled in two schools right now and have not had time to use most of what I have bought. I use the IVP because it is familiar, but some of the new stuff might be better. I don't know yet.
Does this book cover all of Paul?? Or, does it ignore 'detero-Paul'??
I have no idea scooter.
From the product description...
This second edition is a thoroughly revised and updated version of the acclaimed 1993 publication. Since that groundbreaking volume was published, developments in Pauline studies have continued at a rapid pace, with diverse new scholars entering the conversation, new ideas and methods gaining attention, and fresh expressions of old topics shaping the present discussion. Those who enjoyed and benefited from the wealth in the first edition will find this new edition an equally indispensable and freshly up-to-date companion to study and research.
Classic topics such as Christology, justification, hermeneutics, and book studies of individual epistles receive careful treatment by specialists in the field. Topics new to this edition—including Paul and politics, patronage, and interpretations from various historical and cultural perspectives—expand the volume’s breadth and usefulness. Over 95% of the articles have been written specifically for this edition.
Since I do not yet have this volume I can offer no real valid opinion.
Do the comments that I highlighted in Red above give you any clues?
A second response...
A quick look in the 1st edition of the dictionary shows "some" coverage of those books where the authorship by Paul is questioned.
(I had to look up just exactly "detero-Paul" referred to).
Since this is the case I would assume that the 2nd edition would continue the practice.
I spelled deutero wrong, Roy. * I had to put deutero in a 2nd time here. I hunt-and=peck type so did not detect the evil word change auto-done.
Thank you for checking ed. 1 and your response.
I think Roy's point is apropo. You have 'contributors'. The same, unlikely.
But looking at the 1st edition's reference index, there's solid depth to include Eph/Col, and the Pastorals. Nothing from Hebrews.
The print volume has been out for a couple of months now. It was dutifully released in Logos format as well.
I'm suddenly finding that the Logos version is unavailable for purchase in Australia ("The publisher has not made this resource available for purchase in your country or region"). Whether or not I once had the chance to buy it ... no longer.
Such volumes are co-produced by the US and UK arms of IVP. Is this some kind of turf war? If so, will Logos be able to release the other (UK?) version so that the content is accessible to the other half of the globe?
Can confirm, this resource isn't available in Australia. Anyone from Logos know why, when the other IVP black dictionaries (including the first edition) are all available in this region?
Mal,
Unfortunately at this time there are certain regions where the rightsholder could not grant us rights to license the content to sell. We're hopeful that they will be able to extend the rights to the other missing territories at a future date but I do not have any additional information at this time.
Not available in Finland either. Maybe available in North America only?
I hope this case is not frozen like this river. My picture from 1998:
Thanks for the response Daniel. I might flick an email over to IVP and see what they say on their end. Also Veli, I must confess that your picture intrigues me - It looks like a floating sauna?
I bought it on pre-pub, and I am in Sydney.
Yes, I'd thought that (here in Melbourne) I'd previously seen it available as prepub, and perhaps even after release. So it seems a more recent freezing of availability, and not one imposed by the publisher/Logos from the very first.
Like Phil Tuften, I'm in Australia and bought this on pre-pub. I was tremendously surprised that the book is no longer available to people here. I hope that will change sooner than later.
Any update on the state of affairs? Can someone from FL confirm whether negotiations are still progressing?
Hi Andrew,
We are still discussing with the publisher, but there are no updates to share at this time.
Well, for me it looks like a 100 year old steamboat, which has been dieselized and kept in good shape. I hope this IVP case will melt soon
Hahaha, we must live worlds apart. 😂😂 You've got ice and snow for one, but the concept of a 'steamboat' didn't even cross my mind 😂
Thanks, Mitch. We Logos users on the far side of the world look forward to an update when IVP (esp IVP-UK) reaches a decision.
Thirteen months later and it seems that someone has indeed progressed this. I don't know when it came about, but 2025 seems to make DPL2 available in Australia. Thanks to those responsible!
