How many downloaded Logos resources can an iPad with an M chip processor handle?
Of course, this is assuming that one has sufficient storage space on the ipad. Will Logos search work on resources downloaded to the iPad, or is search on the ipad app all done on the cloud? What is a good maximum number of resources to download?
I am not sure about this.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
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Mike you can always test and let us know. [:)]
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Mike Childs said:
Will Logos search work on resources downloaded to the iPad, or is search on the ipad app all done on the cloud?
Logos search on the mobile app takes into account both downloaded and cloud-resident resources.
And you can access / read resources whethere they are downloaded or in the cloud (assuming you are online)
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Mike Childs said:
this is assuming that one has sufficient storage space on the ipad
I do not know specifics about the Logos iOS app, but in general, local resources are accessed more quickly (and more reliably) than anything on the cloud.
Logos has made it easy for you to selectively download the resources you use the most, and leave the rest on the cloud. I suspect that Logos builds a local index to all your resources, even those located in the cloud, so searching should still be decent performance (I do not know this for sure, but if I were writing the app, I sure would [H])
If you have plenty of memory, my preference would be to download the entire library. But this depends on two variables that you did not provide:
1) how many resources are in your library?
2) How much available memory do you have on your iPad?
On my macOS installation with ~1750 resources, the Resources folder is 23.29GB
I'm not sure how my library size compares to the typical Logos user, as I have added a lot to it lately.
I have an older iPad mini with 64GB and i just checked, it only has ~20GB free ... but I have a lot of things installed on it already.
The new iPads appear to come configured with an option of 64GB or 256GB.
If you had 256GB you would probably be ok, although I do not know your library size [:)]
If you have 64GB and a small library, you should also be ok.
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John said:
If you have plenty of memory, my preference would be to download the entire library.
If one has a large library this may not be the wisest choice.
If one should need to reinstall the app then the whole download would need to be repeated.
Being a library; our collections of resources are most often there for very occasional use as cross references. With decent, first world, internet availability any time loss in referencing the cloud is likely to be minimal.
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Mike
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Hello friend! It has been a while. [:)]
Mike Childs said:What is a good maximum number of resources to download?
My advice is the same no matter what iPad. I believe you should limit your downloads to no more than about 100 resources... because there is no good reason to do otherwise.
- Many features require internet, so if you have access to those features you will have internet and can access the other books.
- You can search a SINGLE book offline, but LIBRARY searches happen online only.
- The app is prone to corruption. More downloaded books provides more avenues for corruption.
My recommendation is to download these things:
- Commonly used reference works
- Currently reading books
- Most used Bibles
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Graham Criddle said:Mike Childs said:
Will Logos search work on resources downloaded to the iPad, or is search on the ipad app all done on the cloud?
Logos search on the mobile app takes into account both downloaded and cloud-resident resources.
And you can access / read resources whethere they are downloaded or in the cloud (assuming you are online)
But obviously, one is not always online. Therefore, there is a big advantage to having a resource downloaded. I am wondering if the M processor in iPads is advanced enough to handle larger downloads, and how much larger, and how is searching affected.
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JT (alabama24) said:
Hello friend! It has been a while.
Mike Childs said:What is a good maximum number of resources to download?
My advice is the same no matter what iPad. I believe you should limit your downloads to no more than about 100 resources... because there is no good reason to do otherwise.
- Many features require internet, so if you have access to those features you will have internet and can access the other books.
- You can search a SINGLE book offline, but LIBRARY searches happen online only.
- The app is prone to corruption. More downloaded books provides more avenues for corruption.
My recommendation is to download these things:
- Commonly used reference works
- Currently reading books
- Most used Bibles
There could good reasons to want more resources downloaded if you are going to be where there is no internet. Are you implying that the M processors have not made much difference in what the iPad can handle?
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Actually, I have 500 gig on my ipad. My Logos library is approximately 9,500 books. It should be enough room for what I want. I do not want all of them on my ipad, but I would love to have many more than a few hundred of them. I would like to have all of Wesley's Works, Spurgeon's sermons, the major commentary sets, most of the Church Fathers, and much more available to me when I have no internet.
I am at times in locations without internet available. In such cases searching or even reading cannot be done online. In that case, having the books downloaded would be a great advantage, wouldn't it?
Personal books would also be a great improvement in the mobile app. I get around this problem by turning them into epub, pdf, or Kindle books and read them on the iPad.
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Graham Criddle said:Mike Childs said:
Will Logos search work on resources downloaded to the iPad, or is search on the ipad app all done on the cloud?
Logos search on the mobile app takes into account both downloaded and cloud-resident resources.
And you can access / read resources whethere they are downloaded or in the cloud (assuming you are online)
I am at times in places without internes access.
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Lynden O. Williams said:
Mike you can always test and let us know.
Lyden, I am considering doing just that. Of course, I may be the only one interested. I currently have over 1200 downloaded, and so far, so good. I have the first generation M chip in my iPad.
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Mike Childs said:
[. I have the first generation M chip in my iPad.
From what you have posted, you should be fine as far as memory size goes. Processing power is not probably not a big factor here.
rather than spend a lot of time selectively downloading, I would just download it all. Then you will always have your entire library, internet or not.
Problems with the app and/or corruption I do not know about, but I would think is something Logos Should address if It is an issue.
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Mike Childs said:
That would indicate a major flaw in the iPad or M chip design, wouldn't it?
I rather doubt that either iPad or the M chip could be considered suspect in this regard.
The Bible app on the other hand is always a work in progress and subject to regular updates and improvements. Old data and new systems often make uncomfortable bedfellows.
Advice on mitigating potential problems has been given. Do with it what you will.
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Mike
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My friend ole JT is much more knowledgeable than I am. And he is probably right.
However, I really have nothing to lose by trying. I can always download the 200 or so resources again if it messes up.
So, I downloaded over 2,800 resources to my iPad today, and I will download more tomorrow. Since I have room to spare on my iPad drive, why not?
I also have big libraries of music, some movies, hundreds of magazines, Kindle and Nook app books on the iPad.
My main hope is that I will have access to read the 2,800 plus Logos books when I do not have internet available. I expect searching would be hindered without internet, but the availability of the resources would remain. That would be very worthwhile for me, especially since much more of my library would be with me for reading and study.
Perhaps this is a fool's errand. I suppose that I am the fool who will try it.
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Mike Childs said:
Perhaps this is a fool's errand. I suppose that I am the fool who will try it.
No, you are a pioneer. If the app has known problems with a large library, you are now a beta tester [H]
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John said:Mike Childs said:
Perhaps this is a fool's errand. I suppose that I am the fool who will try it.
No, you are a pioneer. If the app has known problems with a large library, you are now a beta tester
You made me laugh. I am more of a fool than a beta tester. Although, I have been a beta tester before. This time I am a fool ignoring wiser folks than myself. But I cannot see what I have to loose.
Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions and sound advice. I have downloaded over 2800 resources. I will probably download some more of my 9,500 resources. I gave one bit of wrong information earlier. I checked and I have 1 TB of storage on my iPad, not 500 gig. So, my download hardly made a dent in my total space.
Today I only had about an hour to play with the mobile app. So far, so good. I cut the internet off and worked with the mobile app. Opening downloaded books worked like a charm. Searching worked surprisingly well, but I did only a little searching.
Of course, the question is: Will the downloaded books become corrupted, and if so how often? Time will tell. I do most of my reading on my iPad.
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I am up to more than 4,300 resources downloaded. For taking the books with you, and reading them, I have not yet experienced any problems. Linking resources, such as a Bible and commentaries works well without internet. I will download the rest of my resources.
But it certainly isn't comparable to your laptop or desktop with internet. For example, the passage guide is just one of the features that requires an internet connection to work.
The biggest advantage I see to downloading so many resources to an iPad is the ability to your library with you on the iPad to places where there is no internet connection, and to do basic study and reading. That is what I am trying to accomplish. I am not expecting it to be fully functional Logos.
The real issue I am concerned about is will the resources become corrupted. So far, not that I can tell. But it may happen anytime.
I will not post any more about this unless I notice problems with the resources. Thanks for you comments and patience.
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I am up to more than 4,300 resources downloaded. For taking the books with you, and reading them, I have not yet experienced any problems. Linking resources, such as a Bible and commentaries works well without internet. I will download the rest of my resources.
But it certainly isn't comparable to your laptop or desktop with internet. I did not expect it to be. Nor is it comparable to the iPad app with the internet. For example, the passage guide is just one of the features that requires an internet connection to work.
The biggest advantage I see to downloading so many resources to an iPad is the ability to take your library with you on the iPad to places where there is no internet connection, and to do basic study and reading. That is what I am trying to accomplish. I am not expecting it to be fully functional Logos.
The real issue I am concerned about is will the resources become corrupted. So far, not that I can tell. But it may happen anytime.
I will not post any more about this unless I notice problems with the resources. Thanks for your comments and patience.
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Mike Childs said:
The real issue I am concerned about is will the resources become corrupted. So far, not that I can tell. But it may happen anytime.
One of the issues with the mobile app is that it does not do as good of job at keeping sources up to date... which can present mismatches in resources between desktop and mobile... and there isn't an "update all" command. There is no way for you to know which sources are "up to date" and which aren't.
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It used to be that they would advise to only download what you absolutely have to have on mobile. Doesn't seem like that has changed. I tried once to download all the RSS onto my android during those days and the app was glitchy and crashed a lot. It was better on my iphone a year or so later.
I'm planning an iPad Pro purchase in the next year or so, and plan to put everything on there, so I do hope you post back with your experiences. Hopefully things are even better.
There isn't a reason it shouldn't work from a technological perspective with an M chip, and decent HDD and Ram.
The update issue mentioned could be an annoyance. Why don't they give us an Update Now command for iOS on Apple Silicon?
Its a far more capable platform than many. Posting this from a first gen M chip laptop running Logos (not mobile) with 16k rss.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
There isn't a reason it shouldn't work from a technological perspective
Well, there is. A mobile device doesn't operate like a regular "computer." It continually goes into energy saving mode. It stops doing what it was doing until you come back to it. And sometimes it doesn't resume doing what it was doing. Hence corruption.
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Very good point, JT.
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abondservant said:
There isn't a reason it shouldn't work from a technological perspective with an M chip, and decent HDD and Ram.
I agree. Memory corruption is not supposed to prevent you from using the device. If that is happening, it is a flaw in the Operating System or the Application. In either case, it is not supposed to happen. Even on Mobile devices.
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Hopefully its something they can address in a futurebeta.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
Hopefully its something they can address in a futurebeta.
On future devices not yet released? Yes.
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JT (alabama24) said:John said:
it is a flaw in the Operating System
A flaw? Sure. But a known and necessary one. Is it a "flaw" that my screwdriver can't hammer in nails? Sure, I guess. See my comment above. In any case, it is a limitation of mobile devices.
I'm not sure where you picked up the idea that iOS cannot store and retrieve data reliably. Maybe you should contact Apple and tell them to stop selling those iPad Pro's with 2TB [H]
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John said:
iPad Pro's with 2TB
That is storage. I am talking about RAM and memory management.
Mobile devices are designed for different situations, functions, purposes. They are designed for LONG battery life. They time out, kill processes. When you pick the device back up, they resume.
Logos can't handle that.
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I have great respect for JT, and I believe almost anything he tells me, except about Alabama football. [:D]
However, I have found out (others probably already knew this) that you can do quite a lot on an iPad with the mobile app, even without an internet connection. For example, without internet I opened the NA 28 Greek Text. I selected a Greek Word, and the app gave me a definition. Then by clicking "more", it opened to that word in BDAG. All this without internet. I was pleasantly surprised. (On the other hand, Passage Guide does not work for me without internet.)
I have about 4,300 resources downloaded to my iPad, and I will download more. So far, I have noticed no corruption of resources. On the other hand, I have not checked very many of the 4,300 resources. But the ones I checked were okay.
I wonder if there is a setting so that the iPad would not cut off while downloading updates, if plugged in. I have not found one, but it would seem to be a good idea. I also wonder if having a very large hard drive might help reduce corruption of resources.
I do see more and more value in being able to use my iPad with a large part of my library downloaded, when I travel without internet. I think I have found enough positives for downloading my entire library to do so. I have nothing to lose. I can always delete and redownload any corrupted file.
I do appreciate everyone's contribution to this subject. I am not disputing anyone's statements about the practicality of this experiment.
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