L/V 10+ Tip of the Day #285 Forget the Search: What words of the BVM are recorded in scripture?

MJ. Smith
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edited November 21 in English Forum

Another tip of the day (TOTD) series for Logos/Verbum 10. They will be short and often drawn from forum posts. Feel free to ask questions and/or suggest forum posts you'd like to see included. Adding comments about the behavior on mobile and web apps would be appreciated by your fellow forumites. A search for "L/V 10+ Tip of the Day site:community.logos.com" on Google should bring the tips up as should this Reading List within the application.

This tip is inspired by the forum post: My main critique of Logos to this day... - Logos Forums

The input box for the facets of the Bible Browser and the search argument input box will both give you the disambiguation for Mary the mother of Jesus i.e. Mary (Mother of Jesus). In the Bible Browser one selects Reporter Speech > Speaker > Mary (Mother of Jesus). 16 verses are returned. In the search one puts speaker: in front of the "Mary (mother of Jesus)" which returns 19 results in 16 verses

So how does one know the secret word for the speaker in direct speech is "speaker"? Open the cheat sheet on the left. Chose either "a person speaks about something" or "a person speaks to another person". Fill in only the speaker box then click on search. If you find that a common search doesn't have a prompt, suggest that it be added.

Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does BVM mean? OK, I can google it, and found the answer. But you're speaking to a wide audience, and those not in the know wouldn't have a clue. It's apparently Catholic lingo for Blessed Virgin Mary (https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=32261). I consider myself widely read in ecumenical (including Catholic) literature, and yet I'd never heard that acronym before.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does BVM mean? OK, I can google it, and found the answer. But you're speaking to a wide audience, and those not in the know wouldn't have a clue. It's apparently Catholic lingo for Blessed Virgin Mary

    Interesting, I knew the abbreviation long before I was Catholic running into it in literature and classical music. I will also admit to an Irish Catholic great-grandmother. The major annual family reunion of Dad and his paternal cousins did run heavy on the Irish Catholic surnames. However, I deliberately felt like being flagrantly Catholic in the post for personal reasons, although I think of BVM as being more Western high church than Catholic. 

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does BVM mean? OK, I can google it, and found the answer. But you're speaking to a wide audience, and those not in the know wouldn't have a clue. It's apparently Catholic lingo for Blessed Virgin Mary

    Interesting, I knew the abbreviation long before I was Catholic running into it in literature and classical music. I will also admit to an Irish Catholic great-grandmother. The major annual family reunion of Dad and his paternal cousins did run heavy on the Irish Catholic surnames. However, I deliberately felt like being flagrantly Catholic in the post for personal reasons, although I think of BVM as being more Western high church than Catholic. 

    I have a feeling it's more cultural slang than a literary or high church abbreviation. It sounds (to my uninitiated ears) as a familiarizing of her, kind of like an in joke. Maybe that's not how it comes across to those who grew up using it, but it sounds that way to me. I guess it also reminds me of The BFG. [;)]

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith Member, MVP Posts: 53,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Edit: Duh ... I missed the obvious. You found BVM as Blessed Virgin Mary ... it is more properly Beatae Virginis Mariae. A big difference.

    It is used in the titles of mass settings - Anglican and Catholic, in the titles of prayer books, etc. so, no, it is not slang in any sense of the word. Examples of use in music: From Bloxam, M. Jennifer, Andrew Shenton, M. Jennifer Bloxam, Joshua Kalin Busman, Stephen A. Crist, J. H. Kwabena Nketia, Markus Rathey, et al. Exploring Christian Song. Lanham, MD: Lexington Books, 2017. look in the occasion column:

    In reference works: Cross, F. L., and Elizabeth A. Livingstone, eds. The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church. Oxford;  New York: Oxford University Press, 2005. uses the abbreviation more than 250 times ...

    Yes, it's pretty mainstream in the high-church traditions.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."