Revelation Commentaries
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Some good information and suggestions here.
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Also, since I haven't seen him listed here; is Lerry Fogle's "Revelation Explained" commentary.
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Rosie Perera said:
- W.M. Ramsay, The Letters to the Seven Churches (Hendrickson)
I just discovered that this one exists in PBB format. We'll have to wait until later for that to be readable in L4, but it's there.
http://www.stilltruth.com/2009/william-m-ramsay-seven-letters-seven-churches-asia
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Richard DeRuiter said:
That would make me an a-lactarian, since I believe the tea already has all the milk it needs.
...And all this time I thought I was a-lactarian because I'm lactose intolerant!
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Philip Spitzer said:
I would Suggest Footsteps of the Messiah
I like this book too. I have read it a couple of times. Arnold Fruchtenbaum always gives interesting insights from a Jewish perspective.
Elder/Pastor, Hope Now Bible Church, Fresno CA
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Speaking of Fruchtenbaum's "Footsteps of the Messiah," another Revelation commentary which draws upon his work which I don't believe I've seen mentioned--is "A Testimony of Jesus Christ" by myself [:)]
It isn't available directly on the Logos site (for some unknown reason), but can be had in Logos format within a collection of Revelation Commentaries by Galaxie Software
http://store.galaxie.com/product.asp?ProductID=29
It is also available as a two-volume hardback
http://www.bestbookdeal.com/book/compare/0978886410
http://www.bestbookdeal.com/book/compare/0978886429
or available free in various other formats (PDF, HTML, eSword):
http://www.spiritandtruth.org/download/revelation/index.htm
It goes hand-in-hand with an MP3 course on the internet consisting of over 70 hours of lecture set to over 980 slides:
http://www.spiritandtruth.org/teaching/5.htm
It is written from a premillennial perspective.
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Michael Childs said:
Premil means Christ will return before the millennium, not "the rapture" will occur before the millennium. Dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the mellenniun - a variant of premill that dates from 19th century.
Did Scripture foretell the rebirth of Israel as a nation in 1948?
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Per forum guidelines, Logos has asked us not to post links to companies selling software other than Logos.com. I know you are trying to be helpful, but this is what they have asked us not to do.Jerry
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How about Revelation: Four Views http://www.logos.com/ebooks/details/REV4VIEWS
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Joshua Garcia said:
Did Scripture foretell the rebirth of Israel as a nation in 1948?
Hi Joshua, I say yes. Some say Isaiah 11:11 and Ezekiel 36:24 to point to the rebirth in 1948. Deuteronomy 4:27, among others, is also used to explain the dissolution of Israel on AD 70. David Jeremiah discusses this in chapter 1 of his book "What in the World is Going On?" unfortunately not in Logos.
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Joshua Garcia said:Michael Childs said:
Premil means Christ will return before the millennium, not "the rapture" will occur before the millennium. Dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the mellenniun - a variant of premill that dates from 19th century.
Did Scripture foretell the rebirth of Israel as a nation in 1948?
But scripture does not teach that there will be a millenium -- that's amillenialism. As to whether scripture fortells the rebirth of Israel in 1948, the answer is simply "NO!" What do you think scripture is, a crystal ball?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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One suggestion for what it is worth. I led a multi-denominational bible study home group several years ago and we spent about 9 months in Revelation. Because of different views of the rapture, millenial reign and other differences in the interpretation of Revelation and related OT and NT texts I chose to address each of the significant views and gave an overview of the reasons and biblical support for each view. Then I told them what I believed and why. This kept the group together without alienating or demeaning anyone because they may subscribe to a different position than I or someone else in the group. It is also important to approach this book with the undertstanding that it should not scare Christians because it illustrates the fulfillment of the promises and hope our faith is based on.
As Rosie has mentioned a couple of times in this thread, regardless of what theological or doctrinal position you hold, in the end it all pans out and we win because God fulfills His promise of eternal glory in His presence.
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My understanding of this thread was that it was about pointing to
resources on the Book of Revelation--not a place to debate the various
merits of alternative views. It was with this in mind that I mentioned
my commentary--not to spark a debate about the merits of various views.However, I would like to clarify a couple of comments that are potentially confusing:
1. Concerning the statement, "dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the millennium", I'm not sure I'd state it like that. Of those who hold a premillennial view concerning the second coming of Christ, I'm not personally aware of any that believe that the catching away of believers occurs after the beginning of the millennium. That's not to say there aren't any, but just that it isn't one of the mainstream views. Hence, my statement that my commentary was "premillennial" was in regard to the standard meaning of the term: the timing of the second coming relative to the millennium.
2. I also happen to hold a "pretribulational" interpertation concerning the timing of when believers are caught up to meet Christ in the air. But this is separate aspect from whether one happens to be premillennial or not. Moreover, dispensationalists are not uniformly pretribulational in their view so I'm not certain it is helpful to infer such.
3. It is my personal view that although Scripture does not unambiguously and explicitly predict the recreation of the nation Israel, there are many passages which imply as much. Furthermore, there are numerous interpreters of Scripture, writing in advance of 1948, who held a similar view. Evidently they understood some of these passages in a similar way.
Each person must study the issues for themselves. I was only pointing out an additional resource, which had not yet been mentioned in the thread, which each person can choose to ignore or explore as they see fit.
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Hi Jerry,
Thanks for making me aware of this guideline as I was not previously aware of this. (With so much being posted on the forums, it isn't always easy to know all the caveats.)
Perhaps it won't be a big issue though in this case because of the close relationship Galaxie has with Logos. (The other links were to free versions of the material--or were not Bible software.)
At any rate, I now know for the future--thanks!
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George Somsel said:
But scripture does not teach that there will be a millenium -- that's amillenialism. As to whether scripture fortells the rebirth of Israel in 1948, the answer is simply "NO!" What do you think scripture is, a crystal ball?
I greatly respect amillennialism.
As to scripture foretelling the rebirth of Israel, I recently read an interesting sermon by Spurgeon written in 19th century in which Spurgeon boldly stated that Israel would be reborn because scripture foretells it. Gee George, I think I have to agree with Spurgeon rather than you on this one. His argument has the persuasive element of coming true.
In regard to eschatology, only a fool does not consider the possibility that he might be wrong.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
Anthony Garland said:
Concerning the statement, "dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the millennium", I'm not sure I'd state it like that.
Anthony,
You are absolutely right. That should be "dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the tribulation", and even that is a not exactly right. There are dispensationalists who believe in a mid-tribulation rapture and a post-tribulation rapture. That statement was an over simplification.
Thanks for your excellent post..
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
Michael Childs said:
Premil means Christ will return before the millennium, not "the rapture" will occur before the millennium. Dispensational premill means the rapture will occur before the mellenniun - a variant of premill that dates from 19th century.
An inaccurate over simplification. Don't know where my brain was when I wrote that. I apologize.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
Here's my teaching notes (post-millennial perspective, but I do critique the other views): http://www.jeff-jackson.com/religion/eschatology/Eschatology.pdf
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Michael Childs said:George Somsel said:
But scripture does not teach that there will be a millenium -- that's amillenialism. As to whether scripture fortells the rebirth of Israel in 1948, the answer is simply "NO!" What do you think scripture is, a crystal ball?
As to scripture foretelling the rebirth of Israel, I recently read an interesting sermon by Spurgeon written in 19th century in which Spurgeon boldly stated that Israel would be reborn because scripture foretells it. Gee George, I think I have to agree with Spurgeon rather than you on this one. His argument has the persuasive element of coming true.
Hi, Michael.
This is very interesting. I would love to know which sermon this was. Thanks.
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Michael Childs said:George Somsel said:
But scripture does not teach that there will be a millenium -- that's amillenialism. As to whether scripture fortells the rebirth of Israel in 1948, the answer is simply "NO!" What do you think scripture is, a crystal ball?
I greatly respect amillennialism.
As to scripture foretelling the rebirth of Israel, I recently read an interesting sermon by Spurgeon written in 19th century in which Spurgeon boldly stated that Israel would be reborn because scripture foretells it. Gee George, I think I have to agree with Spurgeon rather than you on this one. His argument has the persuasive element of coming true.
In regard to eschatology, only a fool does not consider the possibility that he might be wrong.
Many claim that Nostradamus predicted certain things would occur. Wiill you accept that as well because they did happen? It is every bit as much an interpretation of Nostradamus or of the scripture which would lead to that conclusion. If you read Revelation, you will see that Jerusalem, by now destroyed, becomes the New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven. Those who attempt to make those passages reference an occurance today ignore the rather obvious meaning for their own time. If you want to do that, I think I know of a place that sells torot cards.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Michael Childs said:
In regard to eschatology, only a fool does not consider the possibility that he might be wrong.
Michael well said. I use to have no real opinion on Revelation when I first came to Christ, but as He has worked on my heart and shown me through His Word I have a firm opinion on Revelation now, which would nag at George so I will refrain from commenting further as to that view.
Got to love George, you may not agree with him but he always has an opinion [:)].
As to whether God's Word is a crystal ball, then answer is a resounding "NO!" It is far better than any crystal ball, tarot reader, astrologer...it is written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by God who knows the end from the beginning. Can't have a better reference than that.
Peace be with you George.
In Christ,
Ken
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Michael Childs said:
As to scripture foretelling the rebirth of Israel, I recently read an interesting sermon by Spurgeon written in 19th century in which Spurgeon boldly stated that Israel would be reborn because scripture foretells it. Gee George, I think I have to agree with Spurgeon rather than you on this one. His argument has the persuasive element of coming true.
Coming to George's defense: I did my usual on this quotation - I wrote a response and didn't hit send[:#]I still won't send the original but I surely wish there was a little more formal logic applied to many of these discussions ... shall I plea for an argument mapper in Logos again?[H] George is often the better logician in his opinions.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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George Somsel said:
Many claim that Nostradamus predicted certain things would occur. Wiill you accept that as well because they did happen?
In my opinion this is a weak analogy. The writings of Nostradamus and Scripture are two very different things. Of course there is no scripture that definitely fortells that Israel will be reborn in this day. However, we can all agree that Israel is still God's Chosen People, and Israel's rebirth in 1948 was thus a Very Significant Event! This would lead a believer to turn to Scripture to read again what God prophecizes about the future of His people. I do agree with you however that the New Jerusalem as mentioned in Revelation is yet to be realized.
Anyway, I agree with Kenneth: Got to love George! [:D]
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In reply to no one in particular. This thread has turned into a discussion about the end times (the 'last things' we should ever discuss - I know bad pun).
Anyway, this is intended to be a friendly reminder to take theological discussions off of this forum and onto another, or to an email exchange.
The orginal post was about good commentaries in Logos (if possible) on the book of Revelation. If you have a commentary to recommend, great. Otherwise, why not take the discussion elsewhere.
Thanks.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
In reply to no one in particular. This thread has turned into a discussion about the end times (the 'last things' we should ever discuss - I know bad pun).
Anyway, this is intended to be a friendly reminder to take theological discussions off of this forum and onto another, or to an email exchange.
The orginal post was about good commentaries in Logos (if possible) on the book of Revelation. If you have a commentary to recommend, great. Otherwise, why not take the discussion elsewhere.
Thanks.
Believe it or not, Richard, I AGREE with you!
I am reading an interesting little book from Ignatius Press: "Will Catholics Be "Left Behind"?, by Carl E. Olson. I like the title. He draws on theological, historical, and Biblical material for his analysis of premillenial dispensationalism. I don't believe this book has been mentioned yet.
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Dan DeVilder said:
Believe it or not, Richard, I AGREE with you!
Okay. Now I'm nervous. [;)]
There's also this one that Logos just put in pre-pub. But I don't know anything about it, except what's on the pre-pub page. It appears to be an exegetical commentary more than an application commentary (something I would value highly - particularly for this book). A customer review at a very well known book seller identifies his view of ch 20 as pre-mil. (I've not seen him identified as dispensational anywhere I've looked so far.)
EDIT: forgot the URL for the pre-pub: http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6409
At just under $18 (pre-pub), it is almost (by a smidgen) 1/3 the price found on another famous book-seller web site.
In trying to find out something about this book, I stumbled on a web site here that has a brief description, but also offers a lot of other help that is intended to be "Resources for the academic study of the Book of Revelation." Some of the books mentioned are sold by Logos.
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
In trying to find out something about this book, I stumbled on a web site here that has a brief description, but also offers a lot of other help that is intended to be "Resources for the academic study of the Book of Revelation." Some of the books mentioned are sold by Logos.
That link is broken. Did you mean this? http://www.revelation-resources.com/
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Rosie Perera said:
That link is broken. Did you mean this? http://www.revelation-resources.com/
Yep, that's the one.
Wonder what happened? (Too late to edit and see/fix now)
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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