Analytical Lexicons: Why I Like Friberg These Days
Analytical lexicons are a different animal, from regular lexicons.
A 'normal' lexicon lists 'lemmas' or basic form of a word, and then discusses it in various ways (historical use, senses, and so forth).
An 'analytical' lexicon instead, shows the forms of the lemma, given a set of document(s). For Logos, this is generally for the Bible, whether hebrew, LXX, greek NT or the latin Vulgate.
From a practical perspective, they're good for right-clicking a word you want quick access to, but don't have its lemma (untagged). The analytical lexicon will generally find it.
In general Lexham's Analytical lexicons are 'best' ... they not only show the forms, but include cognates, and how treated in a cross-language (eg LXX: hebrew). I always recommend placing an analytical lexicon LAST, in a library prioritization (higher prioritized would be ones favorites 'normal' lexicons).
Here's the choices:
And then there's Friberg's:
Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (ANLEX)
I didn't think I needed it. It's older, and the Lexham group (above) are fine for quick lookups. But then I began to enjoy Friberg's summary notes (that show up in the right-click menu lookup popups). They have a nice easy-going discussion; nothing exacting; more like get you thinking.
Below is an example. The Majority Text was showing a different article than NA28 and similar. Why? I could dig into my commentaries, but I just wanted a quick right-click look.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Indeed. It goes a bit beyond morphology and summarizes a bit of semantics and grammar along the way. Thanks for sharing.
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DMB said:
The Majority Text was showing a different article than NA28 and similar. Why?
I agree with your positive take on using the AL, but I don't really think the popup answers the 'why' question. For that, you would need to add a good TC commentary like Comfort or Omanson (which is a condensation of Metzger).
These little finds are always fascinating. [Y]
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Doc B said:
True, but I doubt even they would be able to describe the nuance, relative to an mss change ... why worth it. I first noticed the pattern with Old Syriac, where it's sufficient to support a different doctrinal position. The issue here was which prophet, and whether a segment of early disciples.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I tried to replicate that functionality, initially with no success. I had to put the Analytical lexicon into the priority list and it shows "ANLEX" for me in the lookup list.
Thanks a lot Denise!
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Veli Voipio said:
I tried to replicate that functionality, initially with no success. I had to put the Analytical lexicon into the priority list and it shows "ANLEX" for me in the lookup list.
I believe if you add a custom abbreviation that's what will show in the context menu (and I'm guessing that's what Denise has done).
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Rick Brannan said:Veli Voipio said:
I tried to replicate that functionality, initially with no success. I had to put the Analytical lexicon into the priority list and it shows "ANLEX" for me in the lookup list.
I believe if you add a custom abbreviation that's what will show in the context menu (and I'm guessing that's what Denise has done).
ANLEX is the standard abbreviated Title and it will appear in the Context menu if it is prioritized in the top 5 of one's lexicons.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
it will appear in the Context menu if it is prioritized in the top 5 of one's lexicons.
Are you sure? My understanding is the Top 5 of a given selected word (at least since L4). The app checks for inclusion in a lexicon each time. In my prioritization of greek lexicons, my analytics are #'s 10 and 11.
Which is why I've always recommended 'last'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:Dave Hooton said:
it will appear in the Context menu if it is prioritized in the top 5 of one's lexicons.
Are you sure?
I'm positive it will be listed there.
DMB said:My understanding is the Top 5 of a given selected word (at least since L4). The app checks for inclusion in a lexicon each time. In my prioritization of greek lexicons, my analytics are #'s 10 and 11.
If using it as an Analytical lexicon (for manuscript words), you can prioritize it below your regular lexicons and it will appear in the Context Menu . If selecting lemmas it will not appear in the Context menu unless in your Top 5.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
If selecting lemmas it will not appear in the Context menu unless in your Top 5.
That still doesn't sound correct. On unusual lemmas, mine can reach down quite low (eg 9 or 10th). It depends on the lemma.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:Dave Hooton said:
If selecting lemmas it will not appear in the Context menu unless in your Top 5.
That still doesn't sound correct. On unusual lemmas, mine can reach down quite low (eg 9 or 10th). It depends on the lemma.
Yes, correct. The Context menu will list the first five lexicons with the lemma, irrespective of where they are prioritized. So being in the Top 5 gives them a better chance of being listed!
Dave
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Denise,Dave Hooton said:DMB said:Dave Hooton said:If selecting lemmas it will not appear in the Context menu unless in your Top 5.
That still doesn't sound correct. On unusual lemmas, mine can reach down quite low (eg 9 or 10th). It depends on the lemma.
Yes, correct. The Context menu will list the first five lexicons with the lemma, irrespective of where they are prioritized. So being in the Top 5 gives them a better chance of being listed!
Specific example lemmas along with prioritization schemas would be appreciated.
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Beloved Amodeo said:
Specific example lemmas along with prioritization schemas would be appreciated.
The example below, demonstrates a principle of prioritization (screen copies: library priorities for greek lexicons, followed by a quick right-click from Bezae). Each app-user will have differing needs.
1. I like the papyri usage examples, so I prioritize MM first.
2. I like to see the outer edges of usage (vs the NT) if available, so I have LSJ (earlier range) and Sophicles (later range) next
3. I just got NIDNTTE on sale, so I added it for comparison. I'll likely remove it over time.
4. Then 2 theological lexicons. These precede BDAG, since they concentrate on a limited group of lemmas. I want to see them, if the lemma is discussed.
5. Then the usual ... BDAG, LXX, and GE. These do the normal 'heavy lifting' for normal greek, whether in the NT, or per chance, the LXX.
6. Finally, the analytics act as a 'catcher' in a baseball game ... they 'catch' non-lemma usage not included in the big lexicons (typically from a resource not tagged, as the case here).
Right-clicking a simple word in Bezae, skips over MM (not significant in the papyri), but gets examined in TDNT ... 'first' etc. If I were in the Acts Stephens narrative, 'first' might be more significant. LXX picks the word up and shows the pattern usage in the OT. And finally, the 2 analytics show its form usage in the NT.
Altogether an interesting coverage, for a quick right click. The power of Logos, and very adaptable to each user. But needs work.
The principle for prioritizing (for me)): always place the least-likely first, followed by the most likely.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
6. Finally, the analytics act as a 'catcher' in a baseball game ... they 'catch' non-lemma usage not included in the big lexicons (typically from a resource not tagged, as the case here).
That's a great comparison (like a catcher in baseball). Or a safety in football. Or a sweeper in the other football.
I love sports analogies.
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Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. May I be so bold as to say that your method is contrarian, but sensible for one with a so historical sense. I'm stimulated to give it a go.DMB said:Altogether an interesting coverage, for a quick right click. The power of Logos, and very adaptable to each user. But needs work.
The principle for prioritizing (for me)): always place the least-likely first, followed by the most likely.
Placing MM first is ground breaking for those of us who have been influenced by the BDAG firsters. Do you see any role for one of my favorites LN?
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Beloved Amodeo said:
Placing MM first is ground breaking for those of us who have been influenced by the BDAG firsters. Do you see any role for one of my favorites LN?
I can understand a favoite lexicon first ... quick-answer, or quick-open the resource. Makes sense. Generally, I already know where we're going; I want some depth.
Regarding LN or its cousins, I rarely use it, no offense. I do want to know what alternatives an author chose from (semantic range). But I have that capability in my own software (points out the author's semantic range, and usage likelihood, relative to time period).
But if you like LN, by all means! I personally think the Lexham Sense Lexicon (or tool?) would give a tighter answer, but you can't prioritize it?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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In light of your opinion here, do you see any role for the Patristic Greek Lexicon trailing Sophocles?DMB said:2. I like to see the outer edges of usage (vs the NT) if available, so I have LSJ (earlier range) and Sophicles (later range) next
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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Coincidentally, I was going to add Lampe! Just to try it. In theory, it'd precede Sophicles, whose coverage continued into Byzantine writings. But again, all depends on the lemma.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I'm catching on, although I missed the mark. Thanks!DMB said:Coincidentally, I was going to add Lampe! Just to try it. In theory, it'd precede Sophicles, whose coverage continued into Byzantine writings. But again, all depends on the lemma.
Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.
International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.
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