ChatGPT INTEGRATION PLEASE🔥🔥🔥
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J. Remington Bowling said:
I see no reason Logos can't responsibly develop immediate integration, while giving users lots of cautions along the lines that all the other LLM developers are doing. If Logos doesn't do it, it won't be long till another company or publisher does.
These final two sentences are key - I think we would all appreciate an update from Logos on what they are doing (besides the text summary tool) along these lines. Another publisher/company will do this LLM integration - Logos should be in the lead. With new tools coming online every day, there is little reason to hesitate (appropriate caveats considered).
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My hope is Logos would let the user decide how to use a “LogosGPT” and not lock it down because someone “might” use it ….bla bla bla…
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Brandon Early said:
My hope is Logos would let the user decide how to use a “LogosGPT” and not lock it down because someone “might” use it ….bla bla bla…
A simple toggle switch (on/off) would suffice. People could choose when and how to use it.
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Brandon Early said:
My hope is Logos would let the user decide how to use a “LogosGPT” and not lock it down because someone “might” use it ….bla bla bla…
Our intellectual superiors assured us in 2020 that masks don't work, because they knew that the "dumb masses" couldn't be trusted with truth, and then switch to the claim that even a bandana around your face would be sufficient...
Regardless of whether someone happens to strongly believe what they first said or later said, I think we should be able to see with hindsight that trying to control access to information for the sake of the "dumb masses" didn't work out so well. Trying to do the same here not only isn't feasible but will likely just be treated with disdain.
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J. Remington Bowling said:Brandon Early said:
My hope is Logos would let the user decide how to use a “LogosGPT” and not lock it down because someone “might” use it ….bla bla bla…
Our intellectual superiors assured us in 2020 that masks don't work, because they knew that the "dumb masses" couldn't be trusted with truth, and then switch to the claim that even a bandana around your face would be sufficient...
Regardless of whether someone happens to strongly believe what they first said or later said, I think we should be able to see with hindsight that trying to control access to information for the sake of the "dumb masses" didn't work out so well. Trying to do the same here not only isn't feasible but will likely just be treated with disdain.
This is a weird post.
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JH said:
[A simple toggle switch (on/off) would suffice. People could choose when and how to use it.
Not what I’m hoping. No toggle needed. I hope you could use it or not just like sermon guide or passage guide. What I am saying is I hope it happens and I hope they do not Nerf it.
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Brandon Early said:JH said:
[A simple toggle switch (on/off) would suffice. People could choose when and how to use it.
Not what I’m hoping. No toggle needed. I hope you could use it or not just like sermon guide or passage guide. What I am saying is I hope it happens and I hope they do not Nerf it.
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I'm tempted to explain how its not weird, but if I fail then I've just compounded the wierdness.
Potato resting atop 2020 Mac Pro stand.
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J. Remington Bowling said:
Regardless of whether someone happens to strongly believe what they first said or later said, I think we should be able to see with hindsight that trying to control access to information for the sake of the "dumb masses" didn't work out so well. Trying to do the same here not only isn't feasible but will likely just be treated with disdain.
You may have misunderstood my position. The issue is not "dumb masses" but judgement-free AI - there are places where AI is very useful - Logos has been using a subset of it (natural language processing) for years. In a day or so, I'm going to post a suggestion where AI is the enabling tool. What I object to is the generic cry to "use it" when the breakthrough that made it the current fad has nothing to do with providing accurate results - glitz over substance. I want AI to simply be used when it is the appropriate solution rather than to be able to advertise "we have AI enhanced ..."
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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see and comment on Is this particular use of AI in Logos of interest to you? - Logos Forums
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Hey @Logos, can you let us know you are working on something?
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MJ. Smith said:
I'm going to post a suggestion where AI is the enabling tool... I want AI to simply be used when it is the appropriate solution...
Agreed! I envision something like Logos collections, where we could generate a custom GPT based on the books we choose to add to a collection. For example, we could have a collection of all resources related to a certain book of the Bible, or a collection of our systematic theologies, or a custom collection of anything we want. The GPT would only be trained on the items from our library we choose to include or exclude. I think this would be an enabling tool.
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JH said:
Agreed! I envision something like Logos collections, where we could generate a custom GPT based on the books we choose to add to a collection. For example, we could have a collection of all resources related to a certain book of the Bible, or a collection of our systematic theologies, or a custom collection of anything we want. The GPT would only be trained on the items from our library we choose to include or exclude. I think this would be an enabling tool.
What an awesome idea! This type of implementation of GPT into Logos is one that I would actually use, and probably on a regular basis.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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THIS IS MY PRAYER, I have asked CHATGPT to help me formulate my prayer.
Heavenly Father,
In Your infinite wisdom and boundless love, You have graced us with the gift of knowledge and the power of technology. As we embark on the endeavor to integrate advanced large language models like ChatGPT into Logos Bible Software, we humbly seek Your guidance and blessing.
Lord, bestow upon the Logos Bible Team, the wisdom to use these tools in a way that honors Your truth and furthers Your kingdom. Grant the technical experts the understanding and skills necessary to implement these technologies with responsibility and integrity. May their work be guided by Your hand, ensuring that it aligns with Your will and serves Your purpose.
Please provide the Logos Team with the resources required to undertake this task, and let their efforts be fruitful. May this CHATGPT integration not only enhance our understanding of Your Word but also foster a deeper connection with You, for all who seek Your face.
Please help the Logos Bible Team, to navigate the complexities of this technological age with discernment and grace. May their and our actions reflect Your love and glorify Your name, as we use these advancements in technology to spread Your Word and wisdom to all corners of the earth.
In Jesus' name, we pray, Amen.
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At first you lost me. In the end too. But I trailed off thinking:
How are ChatGPT prayers different from liturgical prayers? Guided prayers?
I appreciate prescribed prayers as literature, but not as prayer. I have certainly guided individuals in prayer during counseling. Personally, I cling tightly to prayer being authentic, original communication heart to heart with God.
Maybe this isn't an appropriate comment for this thread--or any Logos forum thread, yet I wonder what resources in Logos may address this conundrum?
All this to say, there are very evident dangers in Chat integration with Logos, yet people looking for trouble will likely search until find it somewhere.0 -
when someone has challenges formulating his/her prayers, you can go to a bookshop and buy a book, full of prayers for several occasions. These prayers help you to phrase your prayers. See these prayer books as sort of textual databases. Which you can use in your prayer life.
CHATGPT is a gigantic textual database (Vector database) on top of that you have clever software that pulls out text related to a given subject. In this gigantic textual database, you also have prayers. Just like in a prayer book.
A book and a vector Database (chatgpt) are just tools one can use. One is a dumb tool (the book), the other (the vector database + software) is a clever tool.
Use both at your own discretion.
I am praying for the Guys at Logos, that God may grant them the wisdom they need,
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I understand that many people are excited about implementing AI through GPT and the like. I am hopeful that they can do so in a God honoring way. Some of the information shared in this thread does give me hope.
Years ago, I too was excited about new technology. But now, knowledge of COBOL and FORTRAN is rusty, and while I could probably still program in BASIC, I no longer have any desire to do so. I have no desire to train GPT and if that is the only way I am allowed to use it properly, I will not be using it.
If on the other hand, GPT were implemented into Logos in a manner where I could merely choose the books from my library that I would want used in GPT, I could see myself using it regularly. I see this as a more robust manner of setting the preference of books that we already have within Logos.
As far as my thoughts on allowing technology to help me “think” of a way to pray, that is a discussion far beyond the bounds of this forum.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Guno van Engel said:
A book and a vector Database (chatgpt) are just tools one can use. One is a dumb tool (the book), the other (the vector database + software) is a clever tool.
Use both at your own discretion.
I agree with you that these are indeed tools that can be used as we seek knowledge. I also agree that anything we use should be used with discretion.
Where I disagree is with the idea that a book is a dumb tool, while GPT is a clever tool. The book is written by living, breathing human beings. Knowledge of these human beings and what they may generally believe, helps me in deciding how much weight I give to what they have to say. In this sense they are not “dumb.” On the other hand, I may have to dig to find exactly where GPT finds its information, with no idea of its veracity. I personally, do not find this to be “clever,” at least not in a positive way.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Generative AI system like CHATGPT have several features, among others:
A. Learning from Data: Generative AI systems learn from large datasets. They analyze patterns, structures, and characteristics in the data and use this knowledge to reproduce the Data in summary, in a conversational style.
B. Producing new Data: They analyze patterns, structures, and characteristics in the data and use this knowledge to generate new content or sometimes going astray (Call it Hallucinations if you want to) in a conversational style.
C. Creativity and Innovation: Generative AI can be seen as mimicking human creativity. It can write poems, create artwork, compose music, or even generate new product designs.
D. And more
I AM INTERESTED IN A LEARNING FROM DATA IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LOGOS BIBLE SOFTWARE.
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Guno van Engel said:
A book and a vector Database (chatgpt) are just tools one can use. One is a dumb tool (the book), the other (the vector database + software) is a clever tool.
I would describe it differently which I think explains our difference in valuing the tools. One is a (hopefully) coherent presentation of an individual's view that one can return to as experience causes you to reconsider (book), the other is a mishmash of opinions thrown together out of a neural network provided in a seemingly coherent out-of-context extract which will return different results each time you wish to reconsider -- to me less clever than the book, Mind you, there are a number of places where AI is an excellent tool, sometimes the only tool, to solve particular problems. Until AI is able to recognize the relative reliability of information and recognize old information that has been replaced by new information, I will be skeptically of its application in many areas.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Guno,
I like MJ’s terminology of “valuing the tools.” I know that AI such as ChatGPT will be depended on more and more in the future. It is my hope that the investigating that you and others (such as MJ) are doing in testing different GPT systems will help improve the quality of any bible study that may use the technology, particularly as it may be implemented in Logos.
My main concern would be if such technology were made to be the primary tool for study within Logos. Some tools are more effective than other tools for certain needs and for certain people. Being able to choose GPT as a choice in Logos, along with the ability to choose which resources are used by GPT, would be advantageous for most all users.
Some may find benefit from information plucked from a veritable ocean of information, while others get greater benefit when they know from what fount of knowledge the information is received. We need to be able to pick the tools that fit our individual requirements.
GPT may turn out be a great tool for bible study, but it will not be the best for every person or for every need or for every time.
All that being said, please continue to explore how bible study can be aided through GPT. Earnest inquiry by those with a sincere desire (as you appear to have) to grow in bible study, will only make such tools better.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Sam Shelton said:
GPT may turn out be a great tool for bible study, but it will not be the best for every person or for every need or for every time.
I would go further and be more in line with xnman's view. Bible study, as I view it (warning theological statement ahead) is a conversation with God in which the scripture (ideally) changes me. Bible study tools are rarely helpful here; where they are very useful is in preparing to teach, lead, preach . . . or in academia where the emphasis is on "about the text".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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How true that is. I was just thinking earlier today, while being so busy preparing in order to share God’s word, I have to be sure to slow down sometimes and just read His word and commune with Him.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Sam,
I enjoy reading the Bible, but there are also many insightful books on the Bible written by other people. Over the years I have expanded my Logos Library. A Tool like CHATGPT is helpful in creating a summary of these treasure troves.
A tool like CHATGPT will be helpful to cull information from these books. I do not see CHATGPT as a substitute for in depth Bible study. I also do not advocate having CHATGPT as the only tool within Logos. It should be an addition to what is already available in logos. Those who want to use it should be free to do so.
Currently I am using GPT4ALL a standalone chatbot, BARD or CHATGPT for bible study, preparation of sermons and messages. But this means that I have to export and convert my Logos resources into PDF files. And load these into GPT4ALL. That is an unnecessary hassle. One way or the other people like me will be using CHATGPT for research.
I also use Google search for my research, and quite often there is garbage in between the gems you find with google search, the tool is great, but you need discretion. Just like when using CHATGPT.
GHATGPT is here to stay, I just hope and pray that Logos will find a way to incorporate it responsibly next to what is already available in Logos.
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Guno van Engel said:
GHATGPT is here to stay,
I'm clearly too old - I remember when Alta Vista was here to say. Chat bots are here to stay -- who keeps on top I'll wait and seee.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ,
English is not my first language, therefore what I am trying to say might not have come through. What I am trying to say is. A book is a static text, a collection of words. When I want to absorb the text. I must sit down and read the text from beginning to the end.
With a tool like CHATGPT, I can engage the text without having to sit down and read the text from cover to cover. This is very useful when doing research. You first scan the text and then decide to dig deeper. CHATGPT is excellent in doing this heavy lifting for you. It is not perfect, it is helpful. The concept behind CHATGPT is very very clever as it opens enormous opportunities for digesting information. I agree that this tool is not for everyone, neither is it perfect, no tool is perfect. That is why we need different vantage points. That is why CHATGPT should not be a replacement for the tools already available in Logos, it should be an addition for those who would like to use the tool.
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MJ,
English is not my first language, therefore what I am trying to say might not have come through. What I am trying to say is. A book is a static text, a collection of words. When I want to absorb the text. I must sit down and read the text from beginning to the end.
With a tool like CHATGPT, I can engage the text without having to sit down and read the text from cover to cover. This is very useful when doing research. You first scan the text and then decide to dig deeper. CHATGPT is excellent in doing this heavy lifting for you. It is not perfect, it is helpful. The concept behind CHATGPT is very very clever as it opens enormous opportunities for digesting information. I agree that this tool is not for everyone, neither is it perfect, no tool is perfect. That is why we need different vantage points. That is why CHATGPT should not be a replacement for the tools already available in Logos, it should be an addition for those who would like to use the tool.
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MJ,
English is not my first language, therefore what I am trying to say might not have come through. What I am trying to say is. A book is a static text, a collection of words. When I want to absorb the text. I must sit down and read the text from beginning to the end.
With a tool like CHATGPT, I can engage the text without having to sit down and read the text from cover to cover. This is very useful when doing research. You first scan the text and then decide to dig deeper. CHATGPT is excellent in doing this heavy lifting for you. It is not perfect, it is helpful. The concept behind CHATGPT is very very clever as it opens enormous opportunities for digesting information. I agree that this tool is not for everyone, neither is it perfect, no tool is perfect. That is why we need different vantage points. That is why CHATGPT should not be a replacement for the tools already available in Logos, it should be an addition for those who would like to use the tool.
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