ChatGPT INTEGRATION PLEASE🔥🔥🔥
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I remember Alta Vista; it was the first search engine I used as a rookie IT professional. It has now been replaced by the Google search engine and Microsoft Edge. Alta Vista disappeared but the concept is still valid and alive. Looking back, I can say that Google search and Microsoft Edge are way more powerful compared to Alta Vista. CHATGPT will become more powerful as the years go by.
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Guno van Engel said:
You first scan the text and then decide to dig deeper. CHATGPT is excellent in doing this heavy lifting for you.
Ah, yes, I now see your point. I simply consider other tools more appropriate for summarizing a single resource. The AI model assumes one wants information from across multiple sources.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The Road to LogosGPT
Logos has a proprietary Logos database it uses to store all the books and resources in the Logos Bible Software. This proprietary database is, as far I can tell not suitable for use with large language models.
However, this proprietary Logos database can be customized to communicate with a GPT vector database using individual books or collection of books/resources. While keeping the current Logos capabilities intact, making LogosGPT available to those who would like to use it.
Vector Databases and Large Language models are available as opensource software and free of charge.
My estimation is that LogosGPT could be available within 6 months to a year as a minimum viable product (a first commercially viable product). The challenge facing Logos management will be assembling a team of developers and testers to make this happen.
In the end it will be a business decision based on the questions. Is there a market for LogosGPT large enough that warrants the investment in resources? OR can Logos market LogosGPT in such a way that a market will be created for LogosGPT?
https://www.neurond.com/blog/best-vector-database
https://www.makeuseof.com/best-large-language-models/
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Guno van Engel said:
My estimation is that LogosGPT could be available within 6 months to a year as a minimum viable product (a first commercially viable product). The challenge facing Logos management will be assembling a team of developers and testers to make this happen.
For you estimates to be well-founded, I assume you have appropriate experience in NLP and have kept abreast of the AI-assisted summarization and AI-based improvements to the search/result prioritization betas. There have been some hints as to a timeline for these to be moved out of beta and into production. I would say the first step for Logos is to look at the users' requests/complaints and at the reengineering maintenance required to keep the product up to date and see if a chat bot is the correct solution for a specific feature or problem. As the Logos model is that the software is always free. one pays only for additional features and that there is a strong demand for support in locations where the internet is unavailable or it is unwise to run Logos on the network, the economic case for implementation is very complex. And, yes, while I believe on being on at least some of the cutting edge, I consider a solution in search of a problem to be an indication that the software is on the downward spiral - product expansion should be organic.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ,
I have spent a few decades in software development working for organizations such as
Accenture Technology solutions
https://www.accenture.com/us-en/about/technology-index
European Union
https://european-union.europa.eu/index_en
Chamber of Commerce
https://www.kvk.nl/en/And other tier one organizations.
Currently I am working on an AI project.
Usually, companies have a product vision for the products they place in the marketplace. They build new features into that product if these new features are in line with their product vision. When user requests are not in line with that product vision, they simply ignore the user request. I am interested to see how CHATGPT or similar NLP tools fit into the Logos product vision.
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Guno van Engel said:
Usually, companies have a product vision for the products they place in the marketplace. They build new features into that product if these new features are in line with their product vision. When user requests are not in line with that product vision, they simply ignore the user request. I am interested to see how CHATGPT or similar NLP tools fit into the Logos product vision.
Here I agree. I also believe that a chatbot will eventually make its way into Logos .... when a feature to which it is the best solution is implemented.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I completely agree with you! Integrating OpenAI's ChatGPT into Logos would indeed be a transformative step. It would significantly enhance the user experience by enabling Logos to deeply understand and utilize the resources you own. This integration could lead to more precise and contextual answers to your queries, tailored specifically to the content of your library. Additionally, it would add a powerful incentive for users to expand their collection of resources, as the more content you have, the more nuanced and comprehensive the responses from ChatGPT would become. This synergy between Logos' vast resources and ChatGPT's advanced AI capabilities could truly revolutionize how we interact with and benefit from digital libraries.
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Fully Agree, In the past 20+ years I have collected a lot of Logos resources some free others paid for, sad to say. Due to limited Time, it is not possible to read them all. CHATGPT would be quite helpful in digesting the content of all these resources.
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MS Copilot Studio was just announced. "Copilot Studio is an end-to-end conversational AI platform that empowers you to create and customize copilots using natural language or a graphical interface. With Copilot Studio, you can easily design, test, and publish copilots that suit your specific needs."
Things are moving very quickly and the tools to build customized LLMs are getting very easy.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/copilot/microsoft-copilot-studio
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Complete ChatGPT Tutorial - [Become A Power User in 30 Minutes]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHv63Uvk5VAPrompt Engineering Tutorial – Master ChatGPT and LLM Responses
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MJ. Smith said:
a chatbot will eventually make its way into Logos
I hope they have the common sense to keep the new technology and interface separate from the existing code base.
It is really frustrating when companies keep constantly adding new features when there is still a long list of bugs that need fixed.
There will be a lot of users who do not want the new methods, or who will prefer the traditional interface. Many still prefer something that can work offline.
Maybe the AI features could be part of the web app ...
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I experimented with chatting in messenger groups decades ago. I did not like it. I still do not like it, and I never will like it. (In this forum, I have made just over 100 posts in nearly 10 years - far more than any other forum in which I have participated.) That’s just me. I do understand that some (maybe most) people do like it and for them I am hopeful. But if at any time I am forced to chat when using Logos, I feel that I will then find myself using Logos less and less. I sincerely hope that Logos makes any chat capability the user’s choice.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Sam Shelton said:
I experimented with chatting in messenger groups decades ago. I did not like it. I still do not like it, and I never will like it. (In this forum, I have made just over 100 posts in nearly 10 years - far more than any other forum in which I have participated.) That’s just me. I do understand that some (maybe most) people do like it and for them I am hopeful. But if at any time I am forced to chat when using Logos, I feel that I will then find myself using Logos less and less. I sincerely hope that Logos makes any chat capability the user’s choice.
I understand your position.... But I do think A.I. could have a real place in things like Search. I see Logos Search as needing lots of improvement as I think it is "based" on archaic thinking of what search should do. I think this kind of thinking is holding Search back. I envision that eventually A.I. will be incorporated into Logos not for the chat part of it, but for the help it can give in finding things (topic, things said, people, events, etc and etc) in our library to assist us with our studies.
For example.... right now you cannot ask Logos Search "How many children did Abraham have"? In Logos Search to find that answer, you have to build a formula and have to remember how to build the formula. But in the A.I. you can simply ask the question. And that's just one example of how I see A.I. might be useful in Logos.
I read somewhere that A.I. will eventually be able to be configured to just work on things on your computer. I see something like that coming down the road. My theory has always been "What good is information if you cannot find it?" I think that still holds true.
And my other thought is.... software, no matter how good it is, can always be made better. My boss many years ago drilled that into my brain... and I believe he was right. And to some degree proof of that is to look back and see how far Logos has come....
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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xnman,
I heartily agree. I am hopeful that the search engine recently tested on the web becomes a reality on the desktop app. The continued ability to choose search style is very helpful indeed. I am also excited about the possibility of choosing which books AI would use in a GPT type search. We each learn in different ways and allowing the user the ability to choose how Logos is used will only enhance Logos for the future.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Anyone less enthusiastic about ChatGPT given the corporate melt-down?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Anyone less enthusiastic about ChatGPT given the corporate melt-down?
Among tech circles I frequent, OpenAI has been on people's "bad guy" list ever since... well, ChatGPT 3.5. A lot of it is centered around how OpenAI was built up around open source values, but isn't really open source with their tech. But I think everyone still recognizes that ChatGPT is the "gold standard" for an LLM and they have a really good API. I think this sort of "love/hate" relationship is pretty common in tech. Everyone I know hates Nvidia, but buys their GPUs and recognizes they are the best at what they do currently. People love to rag on Microsoft, but also give them credit for how they've managed stuff like Github and Python.
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AI is more than a CHATBOT.
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Oh, most definitely more than just CHATBOT. The graphics editor that I use has a choice to resample with “AI rendering.” For some projects, this creates a very striking picture. For other projects, the older resampling settings are best. I like having a choice for each project I may be working on.
It is my hope that going forward, Logos continues to let us have a choice in how we use our library as well.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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Guno van Engel said:
AI is more than a CHATBOT.
I know. I also know Logos has been using forms of AI for several years ...
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Technologies come and go, CHATGPT might fade out sometime in the distant future. At this point in time it is Hot.
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GaoLu said:
The jury is still out at the coffee shop.
The essential issue (and a major Logos competitive advantage) is that humans' believe their imaginations can distinguish real and not real. But they can't. Nor can AI.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Welll..... I put forth the idea that A.I. is here to stay. Get on YouTube and look at latest things with our military. And that is not going to go away!
And from that A.I. will trickle down into all our lives... good or bad.
But that's my opinion.... [8-|]
xn = Christan man=man -- Acts 11:26 "....and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch".
Barney Fife is my hero! He only uses an abacus with 14 rows!
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People are using A.I. without being aware of it,
You buy something from an online store, A.I in the background.
The music you are listening to, A.I. in the background.
A.I. Has been with us for a long time already, it is only now becoming public knowledge…
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DMB said:
The essential issue (and a major Logos competitive advantage) is that humans' believe their imaginations can distinguish real and not real. But they can't. Nor can AI.
Quite true ... something Buddhists have known for millenia; science has proven that if the world were simply a hologram rather than "real" we would be unable to detect it. That's why we humans' use doxastic logic. To the best of my knowledge, AI does not -- hence its inability to evaluate quality of data.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Someone asked a question in the General forum that caused me take a second look at the Logos COM API.
I quickly pieced together a working example of utilizing it with OpenAI's API. Here: https://github.com/jremb/logos_gpt_example
I thought this might be of interest to some here who would like to see Logos and AI integration.
Since I don't know C# or .Net it's not clear to me how useful this COM API is. I only heard of a "COM API" when I first heard about the "Logos COM API".
The documentation looks like it might be incomplete. Or maybe it's complete and stuff like topic search isn't possible? Or maybe it is possible to handle it by piecing together the parts that are there? (I'm also not familiar with the way the documentation is presented so it was a bit slow going to figure out the stuff on the Logos end of the example above.)
If someone else is more familiar with this stuff and could give a few pointers it would be appreciated. I will try to return to this over the next week and see if more can be done with it.
This also suggests another avenue for the integration of Logos and AI. Faithlife could simply provide a more robust and general API, like using protobuf. This would basically leave it entirely up to the users, whether they wanted AI integration or not. (I feel like I mentioned this with the Bible API thing... but that was a bit different and more confined.)
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After looking at the COM API a bit more, there is no way to get body text from non-Bible resources as best I can tell.
This could be handled using another automation library but seems like it would be adding unnecessary steps and require commandeering keyboard and mouse! The last step especially would be bad from a user-design perspective.
However, I did add a feature making use of the `CopyBibleVerses` feature in the COM API. This is a little less useful now that ChatGPT will usually just fall back to a web-search if it is uncertain about a Bible passage (hallucinates less), but can lead to more detailed results and might still increase accuracy:
Without the tool:
With the tool (function call was included for debugging):
That's probably as much as I'm going to do with this for now, unless someone else has a good idea.
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Verbum users, however, can use Magisterium AI which is trained solely on documents of the magisterium ... the number of documents on which it is trained is still growing (currently 8223 compared to 5700 at launch) and footnotes direct the user to the source(s) of the AI response. You can also limit its search to a single document which is especially useful for getting the views of a particular Church Father.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Wow! I think Logos should take a hard look at this Magisterium AI - similar products covering a broader range of information and materials of greater interest to the broader Christian community can't be all that far out -- this sounds like competition and disruption in the marketplace aimed at Logos' core function, which is effective searching.
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