Hi everyone,
Is it possible to see the transliteration of the Greek words in any of the Greek New Testaments. Am going through a Intro course on Greek and I want to see if my pronunciation if correct or not?
Thank you
I know from experience the dangers of leaning too much on transliteration of unfamiliar alphabets. Is there a reason you don't want to rely on the pronunciation feature?
The text converter tool will transliterate for you.
possible to see the transliteration of the Greek words
right click at the far left of a Reverse Interlinear Ribbon (click on Aleph-Omega button to open a RI Ribbon) select if you want to see transliteration of the Lemma and/or the form of the word in your text (Manuscript) and/or the root of the lemma.
Thank you MJ. I think the pronunciation tool is good one word at a time. I don't want to do it one word at a time.
I was hoping to read a verse by myself, then turn on some visual filter or something that will show me the phonetic spelling (transliteration is probably not the right word I was looking for) to check if my pronunciation is correct. Is such a tool available?
1Cor10 31"> possible to see the transliteration of the Greek words right click at the far left of a Reverse Interlinear Ribbon (click on Aleph-Omega button to open a RI Ribbon) select if you want to see transliteration of the Lemma and/or the form of the word in your text (Manuscript) and/or the root of the lemma.
1Cor10 31"> possible to see the transliteration of the Greek words
Thank you David for pointing out the reverse interlinear. I turned on "Manuscript" and "Manuscript-Transliterated" and it helps no doubt. But it can also be a pain to some extent because the English words are not in the same order as the Greek words.
Alternatively, after having turned on the visual filter, I could read in the same order as the Greek NT by following the numbering system that is there. But since the transliteration appears right below the manuscript form, it is hard to keep your eyes only on the Greek word to read for practice.
No, transliteration is not phonetic spelling although that seems to be a common misconception in the forums. Logos does not have a phonetic spelling.
I would like to second the idea of doing the hard stuff in learning Greek. You can right click on the text if you get stuck or need the info, but when your eyes no longer glaze over the text and you can stumble through a line of Greek it's cool.
A quick explanation - leaning on the transliteration teaches your mind that the Greek alphabet is a code for the transliteration i.e. the familiar alphabet. Going from the Greek alphabet to sound teaches your mind that the Greek alphabet is an alphabet. Once you've taught your brain it is a code it is very hard to convince it that it is really an alphabet.
Thank you to both MAB and MJ.
I get what you’re saying. “Don’t try to make it formulaic” is what you’re trying to say. But the problem is I can’t mimic what I don’t get in my head. I have GK091/092 (Interactive Greek Alphabet) course and GK101 (Intro to Biblical Greek) course by John Schwandt. I like John Schwandt, but I don't follow when he says "γ will be more of a gurgling, like in its name (gamma)" or when he says "We combine these two mechanisms—so, letting the air slip out or stopping it—to form four types of sounds. We have two variations of voiced sounds, stops and fricatives; and we have a mirrored pair of unvoiced sounds, again, stops and fricatives." Maybe, others can relate to this type of explanation and they understand how the alphabet or word would sound. My brain can't process such statements. That is why I was looking for phonetic equivalents so I can learn to pronounce the right way (Learning to pronounce the right way has no practical relevance for a lay person like me, but it is more out of respect to my teacher, who is also one of our pastors at church). Moreover, while going from pronouncing alphabets to words in Greek is not too bad, it would still be cool to get reinforcements through phonetic equivalents.
Not that I know of but you might google phonetics transliteration for each of the two common pronunciation schemes. If you're like my friends taking summer intensive language classes, you'll end up dreaming in Greek.
I agree with MJ and MAB. Learning the hard stuff of a language is key to knowing how to read the text better.
See this book. The Pronunciation of New Testament Greek: Judeo-Palestinian Greek Phonology and Orthography from Alexander to Islam (Eerdmans Language Resources) by Benjamin Kantor
https://www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Koine-Pronunciation-2012.pdf
https://www.polisjerusalem.org/koine-greek-pronunciation-%EF%BB%BF/
https://www.koinegreek.com/
Does any of this fit what you need/want?
Not that I know of but you might google phonetics transliteration for each of the two common pronunciation schemes.
Nothing much showed up, but that's ok. For what I am trying to achieve, knowing the exact right pronunciation is not necessary.
If you're like my friends taking summer intensive language classes, you'll end up dreaming in Greek.
Unfortunately, you're prophetic because I've been spending all of my time on Greek while doing the absolute bare minimum needed on the professional side to keep the chains moving.
I agree with MJ and MAB. Learning the hard stuff of a language is key to knowing how to read the text better. See this book. The Pronunciation of New Testament Greek: Judeo-Palestinian Greek Phonology and Orthography from Alexander to Islam (Eerdmans Language Resources) by Benjamin Kantor https://www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Koine-Pronunciation-2012.pdf https://www.polisjerusalem.org/koine-greek-pronunciation-%EF%BB%BF/ https://www.koinegreek.com/ Does any of this fit what you need/want?
Thank you Christian. The last link looks promising.
Maybe, others can relate to this type of explanation and they understand how the alphabet or word would sound. My brain can't process such statements. That is why I was looking for phonetic equivalents so I can learn to pronounce the right way
Do you have the Pronunciation tool? There is some documentation within the tool that provides information on pronunciation, including audio. Tools -> Pronunciation. Select "Greek (Koine)" from the drop-down. Then go to the kebab (three vertical dots) and select "Information". You'll see a page that looks like the below. Blue links should provide audio.
1Cor10 31">Maybe, others can relate to this type of explanation and they understand how the alphabet or word would sound. My brain can't process such statements. That is why I was looking for phonetic equivalents so I can learn to pronounce the right way Do you have the Pronunciation tool? There is some documentation within the tool that provides information on pronunciation, including audio. Tools -> Pronunciation. Select "Greek (Koine)" from the drop-down. Then go to the kebab (three vertical dots) and select "Information". You'll see a page that looks like the below. Blue links should provide audio.
1Cor10 31">Maybe, others can relate to this type of explanation and they understand how the alphabet or word would sound. My brain can't process such statements. That is why I was looking for phonetic equivalents so I can learn to pronounce the right way
Thank you Rick. I do have the Pronunciation tool, but didn't know the "Information" panel. Very handy indeed. Thank you.
I was looking for a feature like the "Read Aloud" feature that you see with English Bibles. i guess there is not much demand for such a feature.
I was looking for a feature like the "Read Aloud" feature that you see with English Bibles.
If you want AUDIO "Read Aloud", I recommend
John Schwandt. 2009. The Audio Greek New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.
https://www.logos.com/product/184688/the-greek-audio-new-testament-na27-audio
I frequently listen to the original language audio of a text I am preaching to listen for mnemonic devices (repetitive sounds) that may not carry over into English.
1Cor10 31">I was looking for a feature like the "Read Aloud" feature that you see with English Bibles. If you want AUDIO "Read Aloud", I recommend John Schwandt. 2009. The Audio Greek New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software. https://www.logos.com/product/184688/the-greek-audio-new-testament-na27-audio I frequently listen to the original language audio of a text I am preaching to listen for mnemonic devices (repetitive sounds) that may not carry over into English.
1Cor10 31">I was looking for a feature like the "Read Aloud" feature that you see with English Bibles.
This is near perfect for my needs. Thank you so much for pointing this out. As it turns out, I also have this resource (it seems to have come as part of some base package).
I say "near perfect" and not "perfect" because it looks like I can only move from one chapter to another. There doesn't seem to be a way to specify a passage and have that passage alone read aloud to me. Am I right, David?
There doesn't seem to be a way to specify a passage and have that passage alone read aloud to me. Am I right, David?
I open my NA28 Resource to whatever verse I want then CTRL-R--the moving blue dot helps with word-by-word.
1Cor10 31">There doesn't seem to be a way to specify a passage and have that passage alone read aloud to me. Am I right, David? I open my NA28 Resource to whatever verse I want then CTRL-R--the moving blue dot helps with word-by-word.
1Cor10 31">There doesn't seem to be a way to specify a passage and have that passage alone read aloud to me. Am I right, David?
Thank you so much for continuing to offer help.
I don't see the Read Aloud Feature. Please see screenshot below. Should I buy some resource to activate this feature. I have the Full Feature set already.
If I recall correctly, there is an NA28 with apparatus, and one without apparatus. I’m away from my computer this afternoon to verify the resource ID of mine (that works). I’ll check back in in the morning, but in the meantime another user/ logos employee may have some advice about which resources work with the audio.
I typed in na28 in my library and I got the following:
If you open NA28 and then click on the three dots (hamburger) as show below do you see read aloud?
These are the NA27 and NA28 that have the speaker icon in my library (notice the Interlinear does NOT)
Here is the support info for my NA28
