Linux version of Logos Bible Software

Yes, I agree 100%. I LOVE the Linux operating system and there are some really hard working people writing Bible study software for Linux, but it's not Logos. I have a lot of Logos unlocks and the ONLY reason I run any Windows at all is for Logos. I really wish that Logos had a reader for Linux that worked just like the Windows version does. I keep dumping Windows for months at a time or resort to running Windows 2000 under VirtualBox so I can run Logos. If Logos had a Linux front end, then I could toss Windows forever. I just bought a new XP license yesterday to run LOGOS on machine with no XP license. That's loot that I could have spent on LOGOS BOOKS. And I really oftentimes find myself in a position wherein I do NOT want to buy anymore Logos products because they won't run on MY operating system. They run on Bill's operating system.

I sort of get the feeling that Logos, the company and it's personnel, either think Linux is some weird hacker OS where nobody buys anything or they're afraid that Linux users are too small in number to justify writing a front end just for them. So, write one in Java. It certainly can't be any slower than the Windows front end is already. If they did it in Java, then they only need one front end for Mac, Linux, and Windows. Uhhhh.? It's not like they can't afford to write new code. The reader can't be rocket science inside.

I think the next time I get ticked at WIndows for anything and flush the install, I'll probably join up with one of the opensource Linux Bible software groups and help them by doing what I can to get better Linux Bible software. It seems like Logos has decided that Linux is not their market and Windows/Mac is. What's crazy is that the Mac front end should probably be breeze-city to port to Linux unless they used assembler to code it. Lol - I doubt it. [:D]

When the Linux Bible software gets "good enough", then Logos is going to see they waited too long. Linux is FREE. You don't have to enter codes to install it. You can install it 10 times before lunch without having to call Bangladesh to get the OK to install it the 11th time because the video driver that you just downloaded from Windows update killed your install. Just because the operating system is free doesn't mean you can't SELL software for it. Nero sells burning software for Linux.

I need to finish this post so I can go buy some antivirus software for this new XP install. That's MORE loot I can't use to unlock Logos books. Then I'll need to buy a registry cleaner and a disk optimizer and various other doo-dads that WIndows requires to keep it all from coming unglued... but I won't be using that ca$h to buy LOGOS products. I'd rather run Linux and send LOGOS all my money.

And they lived happily ever after. The end.

Donovan R. Palmer

I sort of get the feeling that Logos, the company and it's personnel, either think Linux is some weird hacker OS where nobody buys anything or they're afraid that Linux users are too small in number to justify writing a front end just for them. So, write one in Java. It certainly can't be any slower than the Windows front end is already. If they did it in Java, then they only need one front end for Mac, Linux, and Windows. Uhhhh.? It's not like they can't afford to write new code. The reader can't be rocket science inside.

I have read in a number of places that Mac is about 10% of the market share and Linux is 1%.You can look at this website to dig around for what you want: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 Of course this does not take into account demographics. For example, we know that amongst youth and students Macs are more common than opposed to enterprise situations. I work with young people and it seems that they all have or want to have a Mac. I think Logos is very smart getting into the Mac market because tomorrow's Bible scholars are amongst today's young people.

After 12+ years of Windows, I moved to the Mac platform because it is based on BSD Unix. The last thing I was holding out for was a Mac version of Logos, so I empathize with your comments. So since I like BSD, for similar reasons I like Linux (though I prefer FreeBSD over Linux) I suspect the market gurus at Logos would do a Linux version if they could figure out how to make money at it. As a Mac user, it has taken forever to get the Mac version out and understandably so at version 1.1.x, it is nothing like the Windows version. From a casual observation, it is hard to see how Logos is going to develop any time soon a Linux version unless they have a few secrets (and a truck load of cash) up their sleeves.

As far as using Java, I would have to say that I have yet to use a Java built application that I really, really liked. This is subjective, but it seems that by using Java there are certain compromises to really integrating into the host system. I could be wrong about this, but that is my impression. So personally, I hope they don't turn to Java.

All this said, I do like Linux and have used it extensively. My favourite distro is SUSE, but have many friends that swear by the Debian based ubuntu. If Windows 7 turns out to be another bomb, I kind of expect that we will see more users defect to Mac and Linux, and if that happens, the market share of Linux may get on the radar of the Logos business plan.

I have read in a number of places that Mac is about 10% of the market share and Linux is 1%.You can look at this website to dig around for what you want: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 Of course this does not take into account demographics. For example, we know that amongst youth and students Macs are more common than opposed to enterprise situations. I work with young people and it seems that they all have or want to have a Mac. I think Logos is very smart getting into the Mac market because tomorrow's Bible scholars are amongst today's young people.

After 12+ years of Windows, I moved to the Mac platform because it is based on BSD Unix. The last thing I was holding out for was a Mac version of Logos, so I empathize with your comments. So since I like BSD, for similar reasons I like Linux (though I prefer FreeBSD over Linux) I suspect the market gurus at Logos would do a Linux version if they could figure out how to make money at it. As a Mac user, it has taken forever to get the Mac version out and understandably so at version 1.1.x, it is nothing like the Windows version. From a casual observation, it is hard to see how Logos is going to develop any time soon a Linux version unless they have a few secrets (and a truck load of cash) up their sleeves.

As far as using Java, I would have to say that I have yet to use a Java built application that I really, really liked. This is subjective, but it seems that by using Java there are certain compromises to really integrating into the host system. I could be wrong about this, but that is my impression. So personally, I hope they don't turn to Java.

All this said, I do like Linux and have used it extensively. My favourite distro is SUSE, but have many friends that swear by the Debian based ubuntu. If Windows 7 turns out to be another bomb, I kind of expect that we will see more users defect to Mac and Linux, and if that happens, the market share of Linux may get on the radar of the Logos business plan.

I ~almost~ bought a Mac, but if I had done that I'd have dumped Logos and bought Accordance... or at least I'd have shelved my Logos stuff until Logos had a way of using it on the Mac.

As far as Java goes, I feel as you do, but I also feel that a Java front end beats trying WINE every time a new version of WINE comes out just to see if Logos finally works with it. Maybe one of the folks at Logos could set up an Ubuntu box and try setting up Logos under WINE and see what is causing their software not to install and/or run correctly and CHANGE it. It's not like they have to buy Linux or WINE or anything.

In actuality, I'd prefer a BSD front end as well. I've been an active OpenBSD user for quite a few years now. Theo is quite an interesting personality. [:D]

So one can only hope that WIndows 7 bombs and Steve Ballmer goes into a chair throwing tirade... then perhaps we can get our Linux version. If the economy continues to stay in first gear Linux may get a boost as well.

I have my overbuilt XP box for the time being. Vista Business didn't ever ring my bell, so XP is going to have to do for now.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442973

Here are some of the linux user discussion in the Ubuntu forum

Bob Pritchett

The decision is simply a business one; at this point we don't have any evidence that there's a significant market for a Linux version, which doesn't make the investment worth it. We don't have massive margins, and developing on a new platform costs a pretty large percentage of what developing on the first one costs; I imagine we'd need to see consumer (not server or business -- we don't sell there) marketshare for Linux reach 8% before we could justify the cost.

The easiest solution might be to get our software running through things like CrossOver:

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=321

The easiest solution might be to get our software running through things like CrossOver:

Agree, me and other linux user have been doing a lot of testing and debugging in both CrossOver and WINE to see if we can get ver 3 working, but so far nothing. NOt sure whether is the IE feature used in the logos, or some xmlt rendering issue.

Dave Hooton

So one can only hope that WIndows 7 bombs and Steve Ballmer goes into a chair throwing tirade... then perhaps we can get our Linux version. If the economy continues to stay in first gear Linux may get a boost as well.

I have my overbuilt XP box for the time being. Vista Business didn't ever ring my bell, so XP is going to have to do for now.

Windows 7 is much better than Vista and close to XP in performance and resource needs, so it is not going to drive a move toward Linux! Neither will the economy provide a boost, except that Linux distros improve their installation and provide an overall interface that functions in ways similar to Windows! It seems to be getting there with Ubuntu.

Wes Saad

"If the economy continues to stay in first gear Linux may get a boost as well."

If the economy causes software markets to sour, Logos will likely feel the impact long before Microsoft.

The decision is simply a business one; at this point we don't have any evidence that there's a significant market for a Linux version, which doesn't make the investment worth it. We don't have massive margins, and developing on a new platform costs a pretty large percentage of what developing on the first one costs; I imagine we'd need to see consumer (not server or business -- we don't sell there) marketshare for Linux reach 8% before we could justify the cost.

The easiest solution might be to get our software running through things like CrossOver:

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=321

And you have evidence that there are more Kindle users than Linux users? What market share does the Kindle have? What market share does the Kindle have amongst Logos employees? Likely more than the Logos employee Linux share, I'll bet.

[:D]

And you have evidence that there are more Kindle users than Linux users? What market share does the Kindle have? What market share does the Kindle have amongst Logos employees? Likely more than the Logos employee Linux share, I'll bet.

Oh, lookie here: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2007/11/linux-on-amazons-kindle-e-book-reader.ars

The Kindle runs LINUX. nice.

Colby E. Kinser

I would love to see a secure online version. That would work on ANY OS, and could be hardened to protect the licenses of the unlocked resources, which is where Logos' legimate money is. Or even have a small, easily-ported agent that runs on various OSes to protect the licenses, if necessary. The world is moving to the cloud, and bible.logos.com is a step in the right direction. You've obviously got the talent for usable web apps.

I would love to see a secure online version. That would work on ANY OS, and could be hardened to protect the licenses of the unlocked resources, which is where Logos' legimate money is. Or even have a small, easily-ported agent that runs on various OSes to protect the licenses, if necessary. The world is moving to the cloud, and bible.logos.com is a step in the right direction. You've obviously got the talent for usable web apps.

Then Logos could just tie what you've unlocked to your online version account and they could handle license access all on their end. This would work in my case, but I'd rather have a native Linux version ~OR~ a Windows version that actually ran under Linux. This is a good idea - Logos could also sell SUBSCRIPTIONS on a timed basis and make money on this from folks that maybe don't want to sink a house payment into the Gold version but may want to try it for a while - sort of like renting Logos.

It'd be nice if Logos set up an Ubuntu machine and tried their own code under Linux to see how terrible it is to deal with rather than just sending us Linux folks that are already loyal PAYING customers off with a mention of codeweavers and a wave buh-bye. Maybe THEY could fix the offending part of their code (hey, they have access to it) and publish HOW THEY GOT IT TO INSTALL & RUN UNDER LINUX. I bet there's at least one geek in their programming department that could make short work of this and we could all move on... happily. Certainly Logos could score some geek credibility if they could muster up some old-school propeller-head search and fix "CAN-DO" type testing and programming.

Eh?

Bob Pritchett

It'd be nice if Logos set up an Ubuntu machine and tried their own code under Linux to see how terrible it is to deal with rather than just sending us Linux folks that are already loyal PAYING customers off with a mention of codeweavers and a wave buh-bye. Maybe THEY could fix the offending part of their code (hey, they have access to it) and publish HOW THEY GOT IT TO INSTALL & RUN UNDER LINUX.

But isn't the beauty of open source the fact that many eyes make all bugs shallow? I'm surprised that the community hasn't risen up and gotten WINE/CodeWeavers working for everything! :-)

Sorry, I couldn't help it... I don't know that we actually have that much deep Linux programming experience inhouse, and I also suspect that the problems relate more to our use of IE as a report display engine than to code we wrote. Add on to that the fact that we're working on a completely new platform for the next release, and investing our time in getting 3.x to work on Linux doesn't seem like a good investment.

Bruce Fraser

So, write one in Java. It certainly can't be any slower than the Windows front end is already. If they did it in Java, then they only need one front end for Mac, Linux, and Windows. Uhhhh.? It's not like they can't afford to write new code. The reader can't be rocket science inside.

I'm not a computer programmer, so take this with a grain of salt... Your comment about writing a Bible study program "can't be rocket science" shows an abysmal lack of awareness about what it takes to design and write computer code. Yes, I would venture to say that the craft which goes into Logos / WordSearch / Accordance / etc. would be about the equivalent of programming the navigation system for a rocket.

So, write one in Java. It certainly can't be any slower than the Windows front end is already. If they did it in Java, then they only need one front end for Mac, Linux, and Windows. Uhhhh.? It's not like they can't afford to write new code. The reader can't be rocket science inside.

I'm not a computer programmer, so take this with a grain of salt... Your comment about writing a Bible study program "can't be rocket science" shows an abysmal lack of awareness about what it takes to design and write computer code. Yes, I would venture to say that the craft which goes into Logos / WordSearch / Accordance / etc. would be about the equivalent of programming the navigation system for a rocket.

You're not a computer programmer, yet you're an expert.

You must be like the old guys that sit around at the park talking about how this ought to be done and how that ought to be done, yet none of these old guys has anything and never got anywhere in their life. Or, you might be a consultant.

Take this with a grain of salt.... why would I bother to listen to someone's opinion when that someone has no idea of what they're talking about? At least you're HONEST about it.

Thanks for the uninformed personal attack. Now get off my lawn.

[:O]

Ok, I think you two need to cool off a little bit. We don't want to have an argument here.

Right now I think its best for those who have technical background to continue testing Libronix under WINE and Codeweaver, and report all the finding on their application support knowledge base, or discussion forum, as well as sharing the finding to the software engineer in Logos. Make sure all the testing environment are well documented

As for the non technical personal, certainly raise your voice to Logos for a Linux version, and put down Linux version of Libronix on your pray list.

Currently the best solution of running Libronix is under a virtualization software like VMware, or VirtualBox, and a copy of Windows! Both of this software have excellent documentation on how to setup, if anyone need any help, please post here, I am more than happy to give a helping hand.

Floyd Johnson

You must be like the old guys that sit around at the park talking about how this ought to be done and how that ought to be done, yet none of these old guys has anything and never got anywhere in their life. Or, you might be a consultant.

I am sorry, but I find that offensive. I spend half of my ministry working with "the old guys". They have got somewhere with there lives - they are smart, they are thinkers; but they have accomplished what they needed to accomplish. If you have an OSHER (http://www.osherfoundation.org/) program near you, visit one. These old guys are still studying (astronomy, biology, art, religion, writing, quantum mechanics, etc.) and they have accomplished quite a bit - in education, industry, and at home.

Our church's second service is at a senior living complex near where we are located - it is a blessing to minister to these people. They are often more excited about their faith than those in our regular morning service.

I praise the Lord for "the old guys" - they were responsible for bringing the faith to our generation -

Yours because His,

Floyd

PS Lest you think I am one of those "old guys" that knows nothing, be aware that I spent the greatest part of my career in the computer industry. I am not yet an "old guy" - but pastor a small church in upstate New York preaching the word of God regularly to our two congregations. I only have accomplished nothing when I compare myself to what God has accomplished in my life.

Jazanias Oliveira

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

I face the same problem. I want to get rid of Windows, but Logos prevents me.

Ubuntu!

My solution is to not run Logos. There are other solutions that work just fine on Linux. My opinion, however, is that they are not as nice, which is why I still have the software sitting on my shelf unused years later. If it were more important, I would install Windows in a VM.

William Laky

Logos should go in the direction of cloud computing like the rest of the world. I am sure that they have already considered it. Sites like the ESV study Bible, etc, are where it will be at in the next few years.

- Bill

Nigel Cunningham

Cloud computing is fine if you have a fast and reliable internet connection with a big download limit, but not everyone has that.

Regards,

Nigel

How does cloud computing apply to Logos?

Dave Hooton

Logos should go in the direction of cloud computing like the rest of the world.

Which world do you belong to?

Remember that user files in the cloud have limitations; size is one, privacy another and the fact you cannot use it offline.

Nicholas van Oudtshoorn

Hi all!

I too am hanging out for a Linux version. I realise that the market share is probably not high enough to make a full port commercially viable right now. But I suspect that getting it to run under wine would not involve that many man hours. (Then again, who knows! From experience, these things tend to escalate!)

A year or so ago, I managed to at least get the basic interface up and running (ie. the main window showed; minus all toolbars etc.) Every now and again I jump in and spend one of my days off trying to diagnose exactly where wine is falling short.

I guess I'll just keep trying with each new version of wine!

Niholas

jcc

How about writing logos for linux so I can run it under maemo with the Nokia N900 phone.

Actually, a lot of the linux development can be cross compiled onto Macs and PCs, but not the other way around. It's probably too late for this, but I wished that when they developed logos for Mac, they done it with a more linux centric view and also allow it to compiled to the MAC (and PC) platform in addition to linux.

Right now, that's they only thing that's keeping me from switching to linux. (I did run linux for awhile, but running logos under vmware is too slow, and dual boot is too cumbersome).

Jeff Trahan

I doubt we'll see a 100% cloud experience with Logos anytime soon, but I'm figuring that there will be some kind of hybrid functionality. I wouldn't be surprised if the online stuff isn't so much a replacement for the the current experience as it is a supplement to it. For every Logos user who has experienced an internet service outage, how many have experienced a situation where they did not have access to their computer? It would be nice to have some kind of online access. For example, if I were to buy a netbook, I might not even want to install a full version of Logos, just as I might not want to install Microsoft Office; but it would be nice to have some kind of online version that I can sign into in order to access at least some books. I can see me using something like that in conjunction with Google Docs or the upcoming online version of Office in a pinch.

Chuck Wahlstrom

Yes, I would love to see a Linux version of Logos. I too am stuck using a dual boot/virtual machine for Logos with Linux -- it's not ideal.

Michael Kares

You know, you all could just switch to Mac and have all the benefits of a UNIX system and Logos...more customers might get the Mac Engine up to par with Windows faster[8o|] I do admit that last remark was kind of selfish...[:$]

from logos's twitter - "Staying up late is worth it tonight. Read the @logos blog just after 12AM Pacific to be first to see the big news!"

Linux?

Jerry Bush

I suppose it is possible, but not likely. Bob has said recently that this is not a direction they will be pursuing right now because the market is simply not there. Unless...

Some smart guys have written something to get the windows version to run under Linux. That would be pretty cool. If not Linux, then what?

Prob. nothing to do with Mac. They just released an update to that. Maybe another super-good deal like the Luther collection this summer or the past Christmas offers. I wish I would have had the money when they did those.

I will hope for some movement in the Linux direction. But I am not staying up until 2am!

Jerry

Michael Kares

They fixed a bug, nothing new was added. Though I suppose you are right...[:(]...I want more features....[:'(]

me smart guys have written something to get the windows version to run under Linux. That would be pretty cool. If not Linux, then what?

My opinion is that choosing to work on a Mac version without considering a multi-platform framework such as QT, or even working with the code weavers people demonstrates little to no interest in a Linux version. I will stop short of calling it foolishness given that I do not fully understand the decision making process. Having spent significant time with people that are fully engrossed in the Microsoft development process, most of them are not aware of life outside the Microsoft realm and are likely not sufficiently versed in the available options to accomplish such a task.

Microsoft does many things well. Some call them evil given their ruthless, and perhaps illegal, methods used to squash the competition. On the other hand, they produce a very nice development environment. If you can afford the cost of admission for their development tools, it is a nice sandbox in which to play. I have spent much time both in and out of that sandbox... From a development perspective, If my primary focus were Windows and there was not good cause, I would likely stay in that sand box.

Last I used Logos, it was a great product. I believe that your best bet for Logos, however, is to figure out how to run the version you have Under Linux rather than hope for a Linux version.

I believe that Logos hired Windows developers that drank the Windows Kool-Aid so they are very well versed in the secret internal workings of Windows. The good thing is that they are then able to wring out every last drop of performance and "coolness". Unfortunately, it also makes the product less stable in other environments (because they use things that are less used and thus less supported by "compatibility wrappers"). The end result is that I have always failed to make Logos work on anything but a full version of Windows. Each time I have tried, I seem to get farther, but I lack the time to fully pursue and attempt to determine all the issues and maybe find a work around.

Even if I do find the work around, I will need to do this with a Logos expert around to help me get all of my books back and working. That is the part of the game where I call my "mommy", who has done this many times. Each time, the Logos support team have worked hard to make things right.

It is unfortunate that there is not more support for a Linux version. If there were, and if those desiring the product were willing to put-up the money for the required development, then there would certainly be a Linux version. For all my wising and complaining, it is not clear to me that Logos would make money with a Linux version. How many of you here would put-up another $200 to pay a developer to spend time adjusting the Wrappers so that the Windows version worked fine on Linux? If ten people did that, a crossover engineer could take a long look at the problem. Not a guarantee that things could be made to work, but you get the idea.

Sorry, just in the mood to ramble I suppose.

Robert M. Simpson

Just one more voice wanting Logos to run on Linux.

I've never been able to completely switch over to Linux because I have never been able to run Logos on Debian. Logos is the only thing holding me back from going all Linux. I know of at least one other person in the same boat, and many more who dual boot Linux/Windows and would appreciate a functional Logos for Linux.

James Chandler

I am a computer programmer and he's not far off the mark. There's a great deal of planning and design work that goes into software development. That is if you want a quality product. The only difference between libronix and a navigation system is that no one will get hurt if libronix is written wrong.

After reading about the version 4 of Logos for Windows and noting that it is at least partially .net JIT code and not native code I'm wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree even asking and hoping that Logos comes out with a Linux version. .Net code is just slow bloated code. You'd have thought that C/C++ and assembler would have been the route to go, seeing that you'd want to squeeze as much out of the hardware as you could to make Logos SING.

I don't hear much singing from the folks that bought into version 4. I'm not of the mind to upgrade anything to version 4 any time soon as I figure paying for a bloated version that runs on Windows and not my OS of choice would be just paying Logos to code something completely away from what I'd want, and I don't see any point in giving them any loot for producing something that I don't need.

I've also come to realize that buying Logos books is like buying music with DRM. I can only use my Logos books with their reader software. I'm a prisoner of their whims. Why they couldn't sit down like SMART people and code a reader using wxWidgets so everyone could have a native viewer written in C/C++ and not that fluff code that Microsoft is pushing is beyond me. Owell. I think that I'm pretty much done with Logos at this point. I'll use what I have with version 3 under virtualbox and see if I can't help out the Linux Bible software push. It may not be as fancy as Logos, but I can buy real books to use with the cash that I'd otherwise be sending off to Logos. Logos has not earned my money, and they're not getting it. There's no DRM on real books and searching the old fashioned way never killed anybody. I don't think that Peter and Paul had to wait 2 days to index their files and I figure they did just fine.

Later...

J.R. Miller

.Net code is just slow bloated code. You'd have thought that C/C++

Bob commented in another thread (not sure where) that C+ was the underlying code.

Russ Quinn

Actually C# using Mono.

See here: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/3619.aspx

WOW.

I'm not a fan of Java or .Net, but I decided to go ahead and take a look at this new Version 4 of Logos.

WOW.

It is still indexing, so I have not yet had an opportunity to take it through the turns, but the first eyefull is pretty interesting stuff.

I may go back to Windows and actually upgrade my Logos package for this. I'm certainly glad that I gave it a twirl. Bible study is important to me and NOTHING on Linux is going to get close to this in the next decade - unless the folks at the Mono project can make this work. I'm impressed. So far - so good.

Mike

Zachary Oglesby

WOW.

I'm not a fan of Java or .Net, but I decided to go ahead and take a look at this new Version 4 of Logos.

WOW.

It is still indexing, so I have not yet had an opportunity to take it through the turns, but the first eyefull is pretty interesting stuff.

I may go back to Windows and actually upgrade my Logos package for this. I'm certainly glad that I gave it a twirl. Bible study is important to me and NOTHING on Linux is going to get close to this in the next decade - unless the folks at the Mono project can make this work. I'm impressed. So far - so good.

Mike

I am a part of the Fedora Project, I write documentation and software for the project and when Logos 4 came out I purchased a copy of Windows 7 and installed it and Logos 4 on my machine. I have been a Linux only person (at home) for almost 10 years but when I saw Logos 4 I knew that a VM was not going to cut. I am very happy that I did this. I have been working on Fedora from within a VM and Logos is available to me at all times. If some day I have Logos on Linux I will switch back but until then my work will get done this way.

Doug Horst

I have had Logos4 running on a Virtualbox VM (guest XP - 32bit) hosted on a Ubuntu 9.04 machine for about 10 days now. I gave the machine a 3.2 gb of memory out of a total 6gb available on an older Intel quad-core and I haven't noticed much difference in responsiveness over a native boot of XP. It could be that running on a 64-bit os might make a difference.

I am a part of the Fedora Project, I write documentation and software for the project and when Logos 4 came out I purchased a copy of Windows 7 and installed it and Logos 4 on my machine. I have been a Linux only person (at home) for almost 10 years but when I saw Logos 4 I knew that a VM was not going to cut. I am very happy that I did this. I have been working on Fedora from within a VM and Logos is available to me at all times. If some day I have Logos on Linux I will switch back but until then my work will get done this way.

Hi Zachary,

I tried the XP install but ran into issues with XP SP3 and my dvd burners so I went ahead and installed Vista Business and it's working A-OK. I use drive caddys to change operating systems usually but had wiped all of my Windows installs in favor of various Linux and BSD systems. Vista Business seems to like my hardware just fine too.

I just ordered the Logos 4 minimal crossgrade on DVD a few minutes ago. I need to go re-install my BibleWorks 8 now that I have a working Windows environment. I may even try installing Linux on VirtualBox under this Vista install. I'm working on some add-ons for the Sword Project/Xiphos/BibleTime and it would be nice to not have to shut down the system to get into Linux.

Mike

Steven Cuffle

I just looked here, and Windows is at 92%, OS X ~5%, Linux ~1%. There isn't that large of a difference difference between Linux users and Mac users. I also thought it was interesting that more people use Windows 7 than use OS X. Also interesting, more people use Linux than have iPhones. I can't tell you how many iPhones I see, and there are more Linux users than there are iPhones.

I would also like to comment on what I see as faulty logic. Most young people who will become tomorrow's Bible scholars are, clearly, using Ubuntu. :-)

TCBlack

I would also like to comment on what I see as faulty logic. Most young people who will become tomorrow's Bible scholars are, clearly, using Ubuntu. :-)

Your "hunch" isn't logical. Most young people are less computer savvy than me, and will use the OS that comes on their computer. At the moment, that would be almost certainly Win, or OS X. In fact I would suggest that 92% of them use Win.

Typically market research data is reasonably accurate.

Jon

I would also like to comment on what I see as faulty logic.

Sorry, but that was too funny after you said this: [:D]

Also interesting, more people use Linux than have iPhones. I can't tell you how many iPhones I see, and there are more Linux users than there are iPhones.

This site is a simple representation of market share by browsing statistics!!

Donovan R. Palmer

I just looked here, and Windows is at 92%, OS X ~5%, Linux ~1%. There isn't that large of a difference difference between Linux users and Mac users. I also thought it was interesting that more people use Windows 7 than use OS X. Also interesting, more people use Linux than have iPhones. I can't tell you how many iPhones I see, and there are more Linux users than there are iPhones.

The trouble with these stats is that they are global. So for example, they would include enterprise computing where Windows is a very common machine, but would not be a market that would be generally attracted to Logos. The same goes for other languages/international markets.

So the correct question is, what is the market distribution of desktop operating systems in demographic groups that are potential Logos' customers?

1. For starters, we know that there are only certain languages at this time that would be potentially attracted to Logos and its resources. So probably the biggest market is English speaking countries where there would be a higher percentage of Macs than other countries where they are hard or impossible to buy.

2. Also what kind of ownership would be attracted to Logos and its resources? I would venture to guess in many of these cases the computers will be home, ministry and/or academically owned.

3. Lastly, which types of people? In this is religion, age, occupation, academic focus, inclination to use a computer, personal finances, etc.

When you all this together and can sort of define this group (and it will never be a perfect science), then you run the numbers on distribution of operating systems in this group. I am going to guess that use of OSX is higher due to seminary and theology students who would be potential buyers. I saw some stats run by someone who said the market was hovering around 10% when you take out enterprise computing, but I am not sure how good the science was behind it. Also, it would be interesting to know what the percentage of Linux users look like within Logo's potential customer base. Perhaps it might increase.

One thing is for sure that we can all bet on. Windows is still the dominate operating system no matter how you define the potential customer base!

Neil Short

I'm there.

But I'm in the camp that I prefer to use inferior products that I can use on my operating system of choice (FreeBSD). I won't move to windows just for one software.

I wish some quality software were available for purchase and use on unix systems. I think there would be demonstrable profit; and minimal risk to the vendors. Generally some base system could be open sourced and the rest would happen almost by itself.

seems that way to me, anyway.

The commercial software available unix are huge enterprise systems. That's not a very good test. How about some test personal productivity software?

Neil Short

Those market shares are OS purchases. It's not much of a reflection of users willing to pay for software. There are more Linux installations than the pie graph suggests.

Neil Short

Web apps are a dime a dozen these days. I'm interested in a self-contained version. Logos is the best; however.......

Jim Thompson

It would be great if this could be set up on Linux using crossover or some other wine based software. I"m pretty much a Linux user and since this software isn't ported to Linux, I can' t use it.

Jim

Aaron Blumer

Bob P., if you're still watching this thread, what are the chances that when Logos 4 is finished, you might turn the Logos 3 source over to the open source community to either work the WINE bugs out or engineer a Linux version?

Or... sell the source to a group chartered for that purpose (in the event that it doesn't work financially to give it away).

Of course, completely opening the source would create problems for control of the resources but if it's sold to an organization (or "licensed") to one that is legally obligated to protect it. Just tossing out ideas here. I've seen some pretty cool Linux games get developed in through model sort of like this, though the resource issue was a nonfactor in that case.

Mark

This is a very interesting thread. I admit I didn't read the whole thing. The problem with open source is that it doesn't fit very well into a free market model. The crown financed the English Bible. Now companies finance the printing of Bibles with protections through copyrights. In the same way, Logos needs protection to publish software and e-books we can all use. "Nothing is free", my dad always said, and that's much more than a cliche'.

It would seem that "well to do" Christians might consider buying machines loaded with Logos and lots of books. This would help our brothers and sisters in other parts of the world where the economics make it impossible for them to access these tools. Why should Logos be called upon to foot the bill? The software is already there in two operating systems. So call Logos and work out some kind of deal to buy in bulk and start putting these wonderful tools into the hands of Christians. (No, I don't work for Logos.) [:)] I used E-Sword for along time until I was finally blessed to own Logos.

Nigel Cunningham

Open source isn't necessarily about 'free as in beer'. It can be and generally is more about 'free as in if it doesn't work, I can fix it myself'. This doesn't necessarily conflict with paying for books. It just means that Logos would ideally have a blob of code that's free of OS dependencies, with a well defined and documented API for OS specific functions (file I/O, user interface and so on), and the code that handles those OS specific functions in a 'free as in I can fix it' repository.

Such a model would probably be of benefit to Logos, because it sounds like they've just about rewritten the whole thing from scratch for Mac support. If the frontend was just a frontend, development of a Mac - or Linux - version would be half the job and would even perhaps just be a matter of documenting the API and letting us open source developers go for it.

Steve Terek

I kinda agree with a previous post, vis-a-vis Is Logos purely a money making venture, or is it partly a ministry?

My perception so far is that it is purely a money making venture.

Yes, I understand that everyone has a right to make a living and to protect one's source of income (intellectual property), but.... It's not so much the software that people want; it's access to the resources that Logos distributes. I have installed Xiphos, with it's meager offerings. I have just today installed e-Sword, with it's signifficantly better offerings which include "pay-for" resources. I'm not wedded to any particular software package as such. I would be happy to pay for Logos, if only I could run it on Linux, either natively or through Crossover Office. Incidentally, I noticed that e-Sword points Linux users to Crossover Office on it's website. Now there's a ministry.

And I don't know why people bang on about VMware and suchlike. You still need to have a Windows licence to run the software. That's not the solution. If you have a Windows licence, why bother with Linux? The idea is to ditch Windows, isn't it?

Now, e-Sword has an IE front end, same as Logos/Libronix, and it runs on Wine/Crossover. Logos does not. Because Logos won't collaborate with Linux developers. Why? Who would know?! BP is not telling the whole story. Someone already suggested getting some Linux developers on board under a non-disclosure agreement. I'm sure there'd be some developers out there that would be willing to take on the challenge - for free - as in beer. That's the way Linux developers operate! They wrote Xiphos (formerly GnomeSword) for free. Why wouldn't they tackle a Linux Logos project?

Scenario: BP in front of the LORD on the day of judgement:

"So, Bob, tell me - Why, when that small, insignificant bunch of Linux users kept pestering you for Logos to run on Linux, did you not collaborate with them?"

Why? Because there wasn't a buck in it.

Now, I know that this post is harsh - but so is truth in the cold light of the day.

Robert Pavich

Why? Because there wasn't a buck in it.

Now, I know that this post is harsh - but so is truth in the cold light of the day.

You're right, that is harsh.

Is the reader was free? You only pay for the books. Many (probably most) of the books do not belong to Logos and they are not allowed to simply give them away.

It is likely that Logos would lose money if they generated a Linux version of Logos. I cannot comment on why they do not simply publish all of their source code for the world to take and do with it as they please, but, I suspect that it has to do with things such as Intellectual property. If the code provides sufficient information to

generate a reader that can circumvent the unlock keys required for books, that would probably be a problem for many of the book suppliers.

Steve, Logos has posted a bounty (money) if the creators of wine can cause Logos to function with Wine. Unfortunately, Logos uses many of the advanced windows features that are simply not supported by Logos and the money is not sufficient to cover the costs of updating Wine to cover those specific features. If the Linux community followed this example and also posted a bounty, then the amount would perhaps be sufficient to update Wine.

It is unfortunate that Logos did not choose a cross platform framework such as QT when they decided to move to Mac, since that would have provided a single code base for all platforms.

Dan Francis

I kinda agree with a previous post, vis-a-vis Is Logos purely a money making venture, or is it partly a ministry?

My perception so far is that it is purely a money making venture.Scenario: BP in front of the LORD on the day of judgement:

"So, Bob, tell me - Why, when that small, insignificant bunch of Linux users kept pestering you for Logos to run on Linux, did you not collaborate with them?"

Why? Because there wasn't a buck in it.

Now, I know that this post is harsh - but so is truth in the cold light of the day.

This seems slightly harsh, Logos has made the web server version. And it has included free to use several Bibles that are copy-writed. With that you may use a majority of your Logos library. No it's not ideal but it is cheap and universal. And we will all have much to answer for before Jesus. I try not use pirated software, but equating any law breaking with sin is wrong. If there were royalties and copy-write in Biblical times we would never have had the Bible. I will say people are entitled to earn a living with their writing and the system that has arisen seems more to be big companies making money... But those big companies have lots of workers and sell to book stores who pay employees. Logos has at least dozens of employees, probably hundreds... The deserve to make a living and they are providing resources to make ministering and worshiping God easier.

I wish someone like Bill Gates would donate several million dollars to turn Logos into a non profit organization, making everything they sell cheap as possible. I don't see it happening.

-Dan

Andy Warren

Hi, just wondered if this has been brought forward into 2011?

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

Hi, just wondered if this has been brought forward into 2011?

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

Welcome to the Logos forums [:D]

Logos Codeweavers Bounty Pledge is still less than 1 % of amount needed for Logos 4 port => http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=321

Logos 4 on Windows uses Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), which Mono Project has no plans to implement => http://www.mono-project.com/WPF

Once Logos ships Android application, not know if Android emulator http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html could be used on linux.

Currently, linux users can use http://Biblia.com (web browser access to many Logos Library resources) and run Windows in a Virtual Machine (only needs a valid Windows Operating System license for virtual use) since free Virtual Machine managers are available for Linux (if only using Windows for Logos 4, could disable many Windows services, and change home page to www.logos.com). With viable virtual machine option, business case to port Logos to linux is lacking.

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Nigel Cunningham

Should it be a matter of having to justify the port from a business point of view, though?

After all, Logos' work is really ministry - putting the Word of God and resources to aid God's people in the hands of God's people.

From that point of view, the question that should be asked is "Why deny access to Linux users or make them jump through hoops to get at Logos?" It's like forcing people to learn English in order to hear the gospel. Yes, Linux users are fewer, but we don't refuse to translate God's Word into a particular language because the number of people from that tribe/tongue/language/nation is too few.

Regards,

Nigel

sjm

I don't know which will be harder: trying to get Logos to put out a native Linux version or trying to get the publishers to give permissions to The Sword Project. I think I'll be putting my effort into the second option for now.

Should it be a matter of having to justify the port from a business point of view, though?

Earlier in this thread, Bob Pritchett replied => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/121/2501.aspx#2501

Also Bob Pritchett replied in another thread => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/2561/19235.aspx#19235 that includes "Linux users have a reputation for being Linux users because they don't like to pay for software at all."

Historical Note: on 15 Oct 2009, Code Weavers pledge was $1,793.90 (for 19 pledges), now is $ 2,357.90 (for 21 pledges), an increase of $ 564 in 1.5 years (no change in past 3 months).

From that point of view, the question that should be asked is "Why deny access to Linux users or make them jump through hoops to get at Logos?" It's like forcing people to learn English in order to hear the gospel. Yes, Linux users are fewer, but we don't refuse to translate God's Word into a particular language because the number of people from that tribe/tongue/language/nation is too few.

Suspect if find funding source of $ 1 million, then Logos would gladly port Logos 4 to linux (could pay Logos developers so they and their families can eat while working on linux code port for many months).

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Michael Yockey

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web.

Wes Saad

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web.

http://biblia.com/

This full-time Ubuntu Linux user would rather see Logos develop a comprehensive web interface to their content. I own Logos 3 and used it quite a bit before making the switch away from Windows. I would one again become a paying Logos customer if their software were to migrate to the web.

Welcome [:D]

Bob Pritchett posted Please try the user survey! which includes link to http://www.logos.com/usersurvey that has questions where Linux and Web comments could be noted.

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Perry Webb

Nigel,

I'm wondering how difficult it is to run the Android version of Libronix on other Linux versions, such as Ubundu. Of couse the beta version is still too new to compare with Logos 4 in Windows or Mac. But, this is getting Libronix involved in Linux.

Perry Webb

Dan Guinn

It should be an ethical one. Windows and the like are literally killing ministries and non-profits. They have convinced so many people that the only way to do things is to pay for them. So ministries are putting all their money into expensive "out of the box" products that rarely work, when all they need is are open source solutions and developers and freedom. If Logos knew the computing ability of Linux, they would radically change their direction on this... and save their company some money.

You don't find a market for Linux, Mr. Pritchett, it simply exist.

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/41174.aspx

Dan, can you clarify? I might take you to be saying that ministries and non-profits should never pay for software. Also, what computing ability does Linux have that might cause Logos radically change their direction? What direction would they go? How would it save them money?

Are you saying that if Logos created a Linux version that enough people would purchase the product to pay for the development effort? It is certainly clear that not many people were willing to help post a bounty towards a working solution.

It is not clear to me how well an external API would work, but, it would be a nice start. Frankly, I was very sad that the Apple version was not developed using a cross platform solution (such as QT).

JT (alabama24)

If Logos knew the computing ability of Linux

I am sure they already do.

they would radically change their direction on this...

Nope. Nobody uses Linux. Why waste time on it?

and save their company some money.

It would cost Logos a considerable amount to make a non-viable product.

Windows and the like are literally killing ministries and non-profits. They have convinced so many people that the only way to do things is to pay for them.

I believe that volunteers in ministry are a good thing. You are right... churches don't have to pay for everything. However, most churches do not have anyone who can adequately help them with their "out of the box" computers, let alone Linux. It would be bad stewardship for most churches to invest any time learning Linux.

Matthew C Jones

It should be an ethical one.

It is a practical issue. The Linux crowd can't even get Logos to work under WINE. Bob Pritchett has offered a reward to anyone who does make it possible. No matter how many penguins you toss out of a helicopter, you aren't going to get any of them to fly.

Windows and the like are literally killing ministries and non-profits. They have convinced so many people that the only way to do things is to pay for them.

Hudson Taylor said, "God's work, done God's way, will never lack God's supply." Maybe God is not behind every venture that bears his name.

PS But we can all dream..

Larry A. Silva

I am in support of Logos for linux and periodically check in the hopes that there will be one.

GregW

I'm not remotely interested in this, but someone on the Spanish forum appears to have got it working on Ubuntu. Haven't translated it as it's quite a long post.

sjm

The Spanish post says basically (for Ubuntu 11.10):

1a. Install Wine

1b. Install Logos4 from following the PC installation here: http://wiki.logos.com/Getting_Started_with_Logos#Installation_.2b_Indexing

2. Install WinXP SP3 or better in a VirtualBox VM and then install as if you are in Windows (really because you are).

My thoughts:

A. Neither is a native Linux version and option 2 still needs Windows and it's license.

B. It's the first I've heard of Logos working under wine (if he actually got it to run).

B. It's the first I've heard of Logos working under wine (if he actually got it to run).

Using Google to translate => Software Logos en Ubuntu: SOLUCIONADO noticed a paragraph at end of Wine install:

Well, now we have installed Wine. We can also look at the center of software: Super Button + "software center." Then we downloaded the installer Logos4 PC, we can find it in http://wiki.logos.com/Getting_Started_with_Logos # Installation_.2b_Indexing . Then, when we have the downloaded file, click the right button, properties, permissions and click on "Allow executing file as program". Once done, open the file with Wine: Right click, open with and select Wine. If it works you're a lucky! If not, friend, go to Method 2, which is infallible.

Doing a google search for wine wpf found a Microsoft development forum discussion => http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en/wpf/thread/0a4c924d-ef24-45a9-a552-6d58e5578e3a that Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) does not have a viable linux implementation (using other technologies needs significant code modification). Logos 4 uses WPF so a Windows virtual machine is the only option for running Logos 4 on linux, which needs a valid Windows license that includes virtual use.

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Bob Diebel

Absolutely. I would be thrilled to have Logos on Linux. I know perl, and regular expressions, and would be glad to help !

Donovan R. Palmer

Being a big fan of Linux and BSD, I have to say that as many times as this comes up, I personally don't see it is viable. Keep in mind that Logos on Linux or some other sort of POSIX type operating system is only half the equation as the graphical end is the other half... and to run Linux, you don't have to have this graphical front end.

Without doubt, Linux has made huge strides towards being a desktop platform, but of all my computer geek friends, I can only name one that has solely and seriously used Linux as a desktop solution. All others use it for servers and use Macs/Windows with terminal sessions to connect to it. In other words, this has to be a very, very small market if my experience is anywhere close to reality globally.

I have always thought the best possibility for Logos to come to this arena is by way of Codeweavers 'CrossOver' or something simular such as WINE. The fact that this has not even happened is a good indicator we are some way from a full port of Logos.

I believe that a Linux version is viable. The question, however, is what features can be added and still have it be cost effective. Consider the Android version. It is not as full featured as say the WIndows version. How much effort would it take to modify that code so that the Linux users had something that would at least allow them to search and browse their books from Linux. Now that I think about it, perhaps I should look at running an Android emulator (or similar) from in Linux.

I doubt that a full version is viable (based on the required development costs). Sure, a cross-platform solution such as QT would be great, but that was not what they did when they developed the MAC version. That would have allowed a mostly common code base for Windows, Linux, and Mac for a single development effort. They did not chose to do that....

WPF issue => https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/545921/old-style-numerals-are-not-rendered-for-runs-containing-only-numbers

I doubt that a full version is viable (based on the required development costs). Sure, a cross-platform solution such as QT would be great, but that was not what they did when they developed the MAC version. That would have allowed a mostly common code base for Windows, Linux, and Mac for a single development effort. They did not chose to do that....

Considering Logos 4 on Windows cannot upgrade from .Net Framework 3.5 due to long standing unresolved issues in Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF), wonder about QT future for cross platform Logos use ? (common code base for Windows, Mac, and Linux that could keep existing .Net and Mono while revamping graphical user interface)

Font slowness => https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/637517/text-rendering-performance-can-be-much-slower-in-wpf4

Typography (has workaround) => https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/545057/ctl00_MasterBody_tsCustomerInteractionTabs#details

If Logos does change to QT for graphical interface, packaging for linux installation could be a bit challenging (rpm, deb, tarball).

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Joe Cassada

I think more churches/pastors will be heading to Linux for the same reasons I have:

1. We receive alot of donated computers - old PC's that are nearly worthless, that is, until an Ubuntu distro is loaded on them. Ubuntu distros breathe fresh life into old PC's, several are designed for older, slower, resource-challenged PC's. (I think that describes quite a few church offices.)

2. Free! That's an OS any church can afford. I would never be able to switch my church or my own personal tech over to Mac, and continually spending money on Windows upgrades drains the budget quickly. With the money saved on not having to spend money on OS upgrades, churches and pastors can afford to invest in products like Logos.

3. Better-than-Mac security, for free!

That's why I switched, and why I am heading towards switching all my church PC's to Linux.

Bottom line: if Logos developed a Linux version today, I would buy it tomorrow, and I know several other Linux-using pastors that would, too. I'm somewhat new to the Linux community, but I noticed this about them: they have an active and vibrant community. If Logos became Linux-friendly, word would spread quickly.

StephenH

Agreed. I now have two software packages which were originally for Windows that run well on my Linux desktop:

BibleWorks 9. Unlike Logos, the people at BibleWorks have been actively engaged with the people at Codeweavers to get Bibleworks to run using CrossOver. The only remaining problem is in viewing .chm files.

WordSearch 9 (and I would think 10) works very well with Linux using CrossOver. It might even work well with generic WINE, but I have not tried that. The free Bible Explorer 4 from the same company runs equally well and has a number of resources available for free download.

It would be nice if the programmers at Logos would work with Codeweavers also to make it possible for Linux users to run Logos. I would not think it an insurmountable task. They would not have to develop a whole new version if they were to decide to take this route.

Bottom line: if Logos developed a Linux version today, I would buy it tomorrow, and I know several other Linux-using pastors that would, too. I'm somewhat new to the Linux community, but I noticed this about them: they have an active and vibrant community. If Logos became Linux-friendly, word would spread quickly.

I also would purchase Logos if it would run in Linux. Until it does, I will not do so.

tom

Agreed. I now have two software packages which were originally for Windows that run well on my Linux desktop:

BibleWorks 9. Unlike Logos, the people at BibleWorks have been actively engaged with the people at Codeweavers to get Bibleworks to run using CrossOver. The only remaining problem is in viewing .chm files.

WordSearch 9 (and I would think 10) works very well with Linux using CrossOver. It might even work well with generic WINE, but I have not tried that. The free Bible Explorer 4 from the same company runs equally well and has a number of resources available for free download.

It would be nice if the programmers at Logos would work with Codeweavers also to make it possible for Linux users to run Logos. I would not think it an insurmountable task. They would not have to develop a whole new version if they were to decide to take this route.

Bottom line: if Logos developed a Linux version today, I would buy it tomorrow, and I know several other Linux-using pastors that would, too. I'm somewhat new to the Linux community, but I noticed this about them: they have an active and vibrant community. If Logos became Linux-friendly, word would spread quickly.

I also would purchase Logos if it would run in Linux. Until it does, I will not do so.

First, we need a Windows version that will run on Windows without having the user wait several seconds after each mouse click. I have chatted with several people who have very powerful PC's, and according to them, Logos runs (craws) very slowly on their PC's.

Bottom line: if Logos developed a Linux version today, I would buy it tomorrow, and I know several other Linux-using pastors that would, too. I'm somewhat new to the Linux community, but I noticed this about them: they have an active and vibrant community. If Logos became Linux-friendly, word would spread quickly.

Welcome [:D]

Noticed CodeWeavers web site has a couple screen shots for Libronix 3 => http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=321;screenshot=1

1. We receive alot of donated computers - old PC's that are nearly worthless

Observation: old PC's can be similar to netbooks for hardware capability. Logos 4 can run on netbooks; albeit indexing a library can take days.

2. Free! That's an OS any church can afford

Understand affordability. By the way, DistroWatch tracks several hundred open source distributions => http://distrowatch.com/index.php (lots of free OS choices, including System Rescue CD)

3. Better-than-Mac security, for free!

Observation: Mac OS X includes many open source projects. Malware development kits are already targeting PC and Mac => http://esj.com/articles/2011/06/28/malware-attacks-pcs-and-macs.aspx with Linux and iPad coming soon so malware can exploit known weaknesses on many platforms. By the way, a linux trojan has been ported to Mac OS X => http://www.zdnet.com/news/hackers-port-trojan-from-linux-to-os-x/6321013

Plus, just what are the prerequisites for Logos to install? Apparently, it is a partial listing and there are more prerequisites than those listed in the system requirement FAQ. When I try to set up what looks to be the minimum requirements (directx 9, .net 3.5) in a CrossOver 11 Vista bottle, the installer reports that it can't download a required file. However, there is no way that I know of to find out what that file is.

Noted same issue on codeweavers forums => https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=6986;forum=1

Also noticed Wine HQ for .NET 3.5 => http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=10166 includes at bottom of page:

Note: Most .NET 3.x GUI apps will still not work due to insufficiencies in Wine!

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Conquer

I run Logos on both PC desktop and Mac laptop, no problem on either. PC certainly doesn't crawl. A search might take a little bit of time, but anything else is fine.

Mr Jeffrey Fry

Definitely right. I've moved to ubuntu now and have everything I need except Logos. I hope Logos will make this move soon.

Rev Jeff Fry

David J. Ring, Jr.

http://biblia.com gives us a chance to read our books.

The bright side is that I did not update my Logos - too much money for too little use. I have an installation on one of my hard drives with Windows on it, but I rarely use it. I'm thinking about getting a portable device with Windows 10 on it, maybe Logos will run on that. I'd rather read on a full size screen though, so the portable device will have to have a output for a monitor.

Logos was the best choice when I made it, but I have moved on and will visit once in a rare while. Still nothing does what Logos does, I just wish it would work on DOS Box or WINE. I think I will install Windows 7 on a V-Box virtual system inside Linux.

I still would rather have a native system even if it was just like Logos 2.0.

David

Definitely right. I've moved to ubuntu now and have everything I need except Logos. I hope Logos will make this move soon.

Rev Jeff Fry

UK

Welcome [:D]

Biblia.com can be used in a browser on ubuntu => https://biblia.com for access to your licensed Logos resources.

Noticed UserVoice suggestion now has 176 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun

This thread was started on 19 Jun 2009. Linux desktop usage has increased => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems shows desktop Linux usage of 1.34 % is significantly smaller than 7.21 % for OS X and 91.45 % for Windows. As a volunteer user, am not anticipating Logos Bible Software on any open source desktop distribution any time soon. Similar forum threads => Linux - Ubuntu => So the truth about Logos on Linux is... => Logos on Linux something new!

I just wish it would work on DOS Box or WINE.

Open source community lacks alternative to Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) => http://www.mono-project.com/docs/gui/wpf/

WikiVS article comparing OS X and Ubuntu => http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/OS_X_vs_Ubuntu includes Purchasing Cost:

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Ubuntu is free open source software. You may make copies of the Ubuntu operating system at no charge, and you may install Ubuntu to any compatible machine. It is also legal to modify Linux and Ubuntu for your own purpose and redistribution, as long as you comply with the GPL license.

OSX is commercially licensed. All Apple hardware comes with a free OSX license. New versions of OS X are free, but in other to upgrade you need a version of OS X above Snow Leopard (10.6) and proper hardware. The Apple license is quite restrictive, making it illegal to copy, modify, redistribute, or install on non-Apple hardware. However, unlike other commercial operating systems like Windows and QNX, there is no 'activation' or other DRM built in. The underlying System, Darwin, is free open source Software.

Thankful can easily copy OS X from one Mac model to another. Thankful for Apple refurbished => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac (noticed some 5K 27" iMac's that work well for Logos 6)

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Vernon howard

I finally switched over to Linux, using Mint 17.1. So I had to switch to E-Sword, The Word and Analyzer 4. They all work on Linux. Maybe, just maybe someday Logos will throw out a Beta that we all could test for them. Keep looking up.

John O'Keefe

By the fact that you are using E-Sword and theWord, that tells me you are not afraid of WINE.

While I would absolutely love to see Logos work in Linux, whether via WINE or Native, you should know that both WORDSearch (with IE7 installed) and Accordance both work very well in WINE, if you would like something more power than the aforementioned software. Although there are still some resources in BA that you cannot get in any other software, so I continue to use that as well.

Myke Harbuck

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

It's kind of funny if you think about it...Linux OS is seen by Logos as not a profitable endeavor (and they are probably right, or at least maybe right) due to the low market share of this OS. Yet from the interest this forum has generated (200,000 views and hundreds of replies!!!), it seems as though there is much more interest Logos for Linux that what was first thought. WOW. Havent seen a 200,000 view post in a while. Im not a Linux guy, but the interest here is quite surprising. [:D]

Matthew C Jones

.Linux OS is seen by Logos as not a profitable endeavor (and they are probably right, or at least maybe right) due to the low market share of this OS.

This is not the reason Logos is not on Linux. Bob Pritchett said he would welcome the ability to run Logos on Linux and offered to put money behind it. The real issue is the technology incompatibility.

It's kind of funny if you think about it...Linux OS is seen by Logos as not a profitable endeavor (and they are probably right, or at least maybe right) due to the low market share of this OS. Yet from the interest this forum has generated (200,000 views and hundreds of replies!!!), it seems as though there is much more interest Logos for Linux that what was first thought. WOW. Havent seen a 200,000 view post in a while. Im not a Linux guy, but the interest here is quite surprising.

I thought the market was about 15 people if I'm honest. I'd be one of those people. If there are as many as 100,000 people then maybe there should be a community pricing product for it so that it can be crowd funded?

My understanding of the effort involved for Faithlife is that it would be equivalent to the effort it took to get ported to the mac. That seems to have been huge!

I'm very eager to see if the web app ever gets offline functionality...

It was put up to be crowd funded but sufficient funds were not made available. The crowd funding option, however, was simply to make it run under wine (well, crossover, the paid product). There has never been a push to rewrite the GUI into something cross platform such as QT of which I am aware.

The base windows package makes liberal use of new advanced .NET libraries that are not yet in Wine (sadly). Not sure why they did not try QT when they went MAC since that would have provided uniformity across all platforms.

There is also the problem that many "open source" users flat out refuse to pay for software.

Dan Francis

I know this is not news that helps Logos users but there are many Accordance users running on the latest Wine 1.7x and Wine Staging. And of course web app as mentioned above is always an option.

Dan

Not sure why they did not try QT when they went MAC since that would have provided uniformity across all platforms.

Mar 2013 Blog describes slow Qt scrolling performance on OS X => http://www.zestymeta.com/2013/03/qt-and-peril-of-multi-platform.html?_escaped_fragment_=#!

Noted last QT blog article for OS X was 29 Oct 2014 => http://blog.qt.io/blog/category/macosx/

Programmer blog => Why aren't more desktop apps written with Qt? [closed]

FYI: Logos UserVoice suggestion now has 307 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun

Between Feb and Nov 2015, OS X desktop usage increased substantially more than Linux => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

OS X increased by 2.15 % from 7.21 % to 9.36 % while Linux increased by 0.16 % from 1.34 % to 1.50 %

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CERNA DANIEL VICTOR

Linux version Please.

I'm not sure how or if this affects matters with a Linux release, but looks like MS is now going to be releasing .NET for the Linux Desktop. Personally, I would like to know why MS is releasing .NET on Linux. I'm guessing they are tracking some sort of desire/interest for developers to run .NET programs on Linux.

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/16/announcing-net-core-rc2/

Forgot the link.

Personally, I would like to know why MS is releasing .NET on Linux. I'm guessing they are tracking some sort of desire/interest for developers to run .NET programs on Linux.

The week in .NET – 5/16/2016 => https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2016/05/17/the-week-in-net-5162016/ includes several Web development articles.

Suggestions Thread => USERVOICE: Logos on Linux discussion includes:

Logos Now subscribers have access to https://app.logos.com that Faithlife Corporation is developing. Logos wiki => https://wiki.logos.com/Mac_Release_Notes_and_History#Mac_Alpha_Pre-Release_Notes_and_History includes Mac Alpha releases when Logos 4 was ported to OS X user interface. Web browser port may take a bit longer to deliver Logos 6+ functionality, which would be usable on open source distributions and mobile devices. Uninformed user speculation is web browser access being a Logos Now subscription perk as web servers have ongoing usage and maintenance costs.

Logos UserVoice suggestion now has 346 votes => https://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/3635847-make-logos-4-and-5-avalible-to-individuals-on-ubun with comment on 19 Jan 2016:

Our solution for Linux users will likely be our web app at app.logos.com. If it's full-featured enough, will this meet your needs? Or is offline support a concern?

Subsequent User Voice comment on 15 Mar 2016:

@ Phil Gons (Faithlife) Sorry, but a web-based solution will not meet my needs. Where I work doing Bible Translation the internet is slow and expensive... Offline support is essential, to the point that I turn Logos's internet access OFF whenever I'm there. 'Syncronised scrolling' with other translation programs is also essential. I'm not sure a web-based solution would do that...? An added benefit of a Linux version is that I could encourage others to use legal software rather than the pirated versions so ubiquitous in some places in the world. Imagine--you could help with that! :-)

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Thanks.

Not sure whether reaching parity with the Windows/Mac offline apps will come any time soon. I am already a Logos Now user. I'm afraid there is quite a long way to go before any kind of parity with the desktop app is achieved. My sneaking suspicion is that development for a Linux native app would actually be faster - if reaching Linux is the goal. I would be happy to be proved wrong.

Adam

"Our solution for Linux users will likely be our web app at app.logos.com. If it's full-featured enough, will this meet your needs? Or is offline support a concern?"

Offline support is a HUGE concern. Generally, I think just having search and most basic access is the important part for starters.

Also, Ubuntu/Linux is the future. It continually grows its market share every year while other platforms shrink.

And, Ubuntu/Linux is so easy for your part. Theoretically, you could just provide a basic SDK for login-security and the growing community of Ubuntu users might do most of the programming and maintenance themselves via GitHub... So, the Logos engine for Ubuntu could be "open source" with the content or some cloud features as the proprietary part. And, why not allow the engine to read epub or "open" versions of books for people who want to write their own stuff and share with other Logos customers?

If you cool people at Logos are too busy, then developing for Ubuntu is actually perfect for you because the Ubuntu community does actually gladly work together to make and change their own software. Give us an SDK to access our secure-purchased stuff and let the community write an "open source" engine. Give up some control of the engine itself, or let people at least contribute to a GitHub project that you approve, so that you can reach more people. Like the gospel, let the people work in community. :-)

James Ryder

Has anyone tried using Logos in ReactOS? I know React is not quite stable yet but it might be an option going forward.

David J. Ring, Jr.

The reason that I want Linux isn't so much that I don't want to pay for an operating system, it's because I have a rock solid operating system, and if I need a program to do something once, I'm not obliged to spend $100 for a program just to improve contrast in a photograph, we have GIMP (and GIMP for Windows!) for that. If I need to edit a pdf file, I can use a open source program and do it, no cost to me.

I don't mind paying for good programs, I paid Softmaker for their Office program - about $60.00, I have an improved printer driver, $30.00, plus I've bought some fonts, drivers for dial-up modem from non-open source company, and other stuff for about $200.

But Linux is stable, I have a music server and it's been running for two years without crashing.

Linux is very fast even on my old hardware, dual core processor at 2MHz with 4 GB RAM.

I use Linux 99% of the time, but I have paid for two copies of Windows 10 for my two computers, laptop and server/desktop for total $200.

Plus the command line in Linux does things that are more or less cumbersome or impossible with a graphical program and it does things fast.

I only turn on Windows to read my Logos books, then I boot back into Linux.

The performance on my old hardware in Windows for Logos is sluggist at times but not too bad, but I have a feeling that if this was done in Linux it would be very fast.

But going to ReactOS would be to add to the problem. If I wanted to use ReactOS, I'd just run Windows.

Linux also is so much easier to maintain, I don't have to scan for viruses every day, I don't have browser hijackings, if I'm searching for information, I can use links -g or w3m browser and not be followed by twenty tracking cookies.

Im just sick of haiving my Windows computers hijacked, infected, filled with all sorts of malware - even if I just click on an interesting news story!

But NO to ReactOS. It's Windows in different clothes.

I don't want Windows where modifying dynamic linked libraries (dll files) makes your software work only to give other software have problems.

Linux just works, and it works very well!

David

Has anyone tried using Logos in ReactOS? I know React is not quite stable yet but it might be an option going forward.

Welcome [:D]

Concur ReactOS may be an option going forward, depends on .NET Framework compatibility with Logos Bible Software. Apologies since have not (yet) tried ReactOS.

Wikipedia article => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS includes clean room reverse engineering of Windows Server 2003.

ReactOS FAQ => http://www.reactos.org/joining/faqs

Ok..so what's ReactOS?

ReactOS is a free and open source operating system written from scratch. It's design is based on Windows in the same way Linux is based on Unix, however ReactOS is _not_ linux. ReactOS looks and feels like Windows, is able to your run Windows software and your Windows drivers, and is familiar for Windows users.

What are the differences between Windows and ReactOS?

There are mainly two. Firstly ReactOS is open source. Secondly ReactOS is Free. Also Windows (especially the newer versions) are known to monitor all your activity by default. So if you're concerned about your privacy or just don't want to share any personal info, we promise (and you can check our source code) that we don't track any of your data.

So...can I install ReactOS and run any software compatible with Windows on it?

That's the idea. However we highly recommend to check if your favourite apps run by trying them and reporting either your success with the community, or any problems you encounter with our task tracker. ReactOS is still an on-going project and not all the apps and drivers run perfect on it just now. The best way to check the compatibility is to install ReactOS inside a virtual machine ( a step by step and video guide can be found here) and try things for yourself. There are tons of pieces of software and, as you can imagine it's is impossible for us to try and to track them all.

June 2016 bug fix in ReactOS 4.1 enabled .NET Framework 4.0 installation => https://jira.reactos.org/browse/CORE-11266

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Amen! And, Amen! A thousand times AMEN!

React OS has one problem: It is unique.

Fedora is built on Linux, but has similar problems because of central control. Everything depends on RedHat customers and CentOS "testers".

Debian-Ubuntu is built on Linux, but it has a HUGE COMMUNITY. So, it doesn't all depend on just a few people to make it good. That's why it dominates.

...that said... I say let the community decide. If the ReactOS community wants to do the leg work and make a Logos version, Logos should let them. Try it out. That's Marketing Strategy 101: Everything must be tested and allowed to succeed and prove itself.

David J. Ring, Jr....

I REALLY agree with what you and Steven Yu have to say. And, I feel the same way.

The way is: The good people at Logos simply ALLOW the community permission to do it; an open source engine that can keep proprietary purchases secure.

Faithlife should know: Not having Logos on my Ubuntu desktop pushes me to become dependent on other Bible software. Linux grows every year, Ubuntu (built on Debian) is the most widely-used. Windows is despised and is losing the market. If another Debian Bible package becomes more useful before Logos wakes up, I won't use Logos anymore. And, I know that I'm not that special; many others will do the same.

Not to toot my own horn, but I just made this video, adapted from my Mandarin version, to help people install Ubuntu. I get great feedback because people are STARVING to escape from Windows and use Ubuntu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMvaUCuePW4

If Faithlife will just ALLOW the Linux-Debian-Ubuntu community to make a desktop engine themselves, even not the prettiest, but just to have basic access to the purchased library, links, searches... then Logos may actually grow its customer base and ride the swelling Ubuntu tsunami. And, all the work would be done for them. Faithlife wouldn't need to invest money.

Here is a plan to make it happen:

1. Logos starts a GitHub profile: such as "logos" or "logosbible" namespace and "Logos for Linux" as the name. And, add a "logos-deb" repo (for Debian). Maybe a couple more... logos-wine (windows-based to work with the Wine library), logos-deb-macbase (based from mac version), logos-rpm (fedora)... Just start the repos and see who wants to add to them. I'm sure David Ring might be glad to help Faithlife do it at no charge, ask him :-)

2. Logos starts an AskUbuntu profile and just announces "We hear you! We want to let you guys make Logos for Linux! Here is our GitHub. Help us!"

3. Follow the GitHub pull requests daily, hire/approve (no money) project leaders to approve requests so Faithlife doesn't have to add any work to their full plate.

4. Logos grows its customer base at zero investment. As Ubuntu continues to grow, so does Logos because they are on the Ubuntu train.

5. Faithlife and the Logos team have to worry about all the speaking requests they get to explain "How we used Ubuntu to make money and get more people studying the Bible." They appear on talk shows and more people learn about them, all because they were smart enough to get "Logos for Linux".

;-) Linux-Love to you all!

I only turn on Windows to read my Logos books, then I boot back into Linux.

Logos Now members have access to Logos Web App (currently Beta as features are being ported) that allows Logos book reading plus more:

Also could use http://biblia.com for reading Logos books.

Caveat: Logos Web App and Biblia provide access to mobile resources.

Linux just works, and it works very well!

For open source, "Linux" tends to be associated with GNU Public License. Other open source distributions have different licensing: e.g. Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD). Apple includes over 200 open source projects in OS X (macOS) along with using an open source kernel that also works well; the mach kernel in Darwin is a BSD derivative.

GIMP also works on OS X (macOS) and open source distributions. The "Preview" application included in OS X (macOS) is poorly named since it can edit/annotate a pdf.

Caveat: a legal license of OS X (macOS) needs corresponding Apple hardware purchase. Apple Mac models are long overdue for hardware refresh, reading rumors of later this year, which should reduce prices of older refurbished models.

Thankful for a refurbished 2011 MacBook Air (1.7 GHz i5 with 4 GB RAM) that decently runs Logos 7 (with an external USB for resource file storage since internal SSD lacks space for my library; symbolic link for one resource folder reliably works). Albeit quick exit from car caused USB drive to split apart. Thankfully USB drive still works and shell could be snapped back together.

Plus the command line in Linux does things that are more or less cumbersome or impossible with a graphical program and it does things fast.

Terminal application in OS X (macOS) has command line interface with choice of shell, default is bash with option of: csh, ksh, sh, tcsh, zsh

Cygwin is open source for Windows that provides command line interface: e.g. bash, csh, mksh, tcsh ...

Command switch compatibility depends on the command implementation, which is also true for open source distributions.

Linux also is so much easier to maintain,

In OS X (macOS), the Apple Store has effectively integrated a package manager for updating the operating system (with an interface designed for non-technical user). Depends on the security update, both open source and OS X (macOS) can need system reboot. Like open source distributions, upgrading and patching OS X (macOS) is free.

Im just sick of haiving my Windows computers hijacked, infected, filled with all sorts of malware ...

By default, Windows 10 includes a key logger enabled to send stuff. Privacy settings allow user to choose "Off" in the graphical interface (not know if privacy setting is effective or just eye candy).

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

Hey, Mr. Keep Smiling...

I think you may have missed a few points. And, I want your input on these...

David, and others have concurred, said he needed a LOCAL client, not cloud. So, the web app doesn't solve his/our problem.

Also, Mac OS X and Windows having command line options doesn't help someone working at LInux all day.

...He knows Linux, uses command line Linux, and wants command line LINUX to help him use Logos. He wants Logos to join his working world all day. And, his Linux work probably includes a church website and email.

Also, if Apple can get open source, then Logos has no reason not to LET LINUX PEOPLE MAKE LOGOS FOR LINUX ON THEIR OWN.

...The "open source" idea isn't because we are looking for open source, but that LOGOS CAN ALLOW IT on Linux.

Also, if GIMP can run on Mac and Windows, then Logos ought to also.

...That is the immediate thought of us awesome Linux users who keep your local church websites up and running, when you mention GIMP.

See, we Linux people (who keep so many church websites up and running) kind of already know all these things. And, we are glad to help you understand. We are kind of evangelists about the awesome things that let us help the Church so.

We suspect that Faithlife doesn't know about Linux, and you don't seem to understand our world either. With love, we are thrilled to help you understand what keeps your websites going so smoothly.

SEPARATELY......

About Linux at 2%. This Wiki reports over 20%. I am genuinely curious on your comments. I like truth.

How about web servers? This survey puts some Apache tools staggeringly high. This implies a lot of local churches.

https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2016/02/22/february-2016-web-server-survey.html

So, your church web guy, like David, is making your church site awesome all day long, but he can't use Logos...

...because Mac has open source, but Logos doens't? ...because GIMP is on Windows, Mac, and Linux, but Logos isn't? That is your implication by bringing it up. This seems strange to we Linux people who keep your church websites running for you.

But, now I'm curious. What is Logos' market share?

...Given that Linux users love helping people, churches, and businesses with useful software so much, Logos could gain a lot of users, like David's friends, but who have thrown up their hands from being ignored.

In case you also missed this part, again, we want Logos to retain proprietary capability, only the engine itself to be open source so the LINUX COMMUNITY can do it themselves at no cost.

Do you know? Our Linux friends who develop your church websites are already finding open source software to use instead of Logos? I don't like that. David doesn't like that. David and I want Logos to hurry up and LET THE LINUX COMMUNITY make Logos for Linux so Logos doesn't get replaced by Linux's 20% and growing open source free-ness from the 70% and growing community of LInux people running church websites for you.

We all love Logos. But we all love Linux a little more because it's like salvation: price is paid and we spread the good news.

And we love you Mr. Keep Smiling,

Jesse Steele

Myke Harbuck

Once again, I am pushing foward for a Linux version of Logos, a lot of user are using Linux, and we have been struggling to break away from Windows, but Logos has always been the single software that require us to either dual boot or run a virtual machine with Linux OS.

Anyone share the same view?

I never ceased to be blown away by the number of views the Linux topic generates, even though I would not think there are that many Linux users, LOL. I mean, 279,000 ??? WOW! Crazy!

Mark

even though I would not think there are that many Linux users, LOL. I mean, 279,000 ??? WOW! Crazy!

There must be more users than one has been told. The Linux system is excellent, fast, and getting much more popular. It can be a clear replacement for Windows. It is much better. There are only two reasons why I have not completely switched. One is the concern I have for protecting my children (parental filters) and the other is my investment in Logos Bible Software.

even though I would not think there are that many Linux users, LOL. I mean, 279,000 ??? WOW! Crazy!

Concur crazy plus this thread in the Suggestions forum has the most replies, which is more than the next two suggestion threads combined:

Thankful for Faithlife development of Android mobile apps.

Internet search for linux parental control finds many results, including Ubuntu community => https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ParentalControls

Apple makes significant contributions to many open source projects => https://www.apple.com/opensource/ OS X (mac OS) System preferences has Parental Controls plus Logos Bible Software.

Thankful for Distrowatch => http://distrowatch.com/ that includes current Top Ten distributions => http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major while tracking hundreds. Top Ten list of major distributions has had several changes since this thread began in 2009.

Anticipate open source distributions and Android fragmentation => http://opensignal.com/reports/2015/08/android-fragmentation/ having similar development and support issues for a Logos Bible Software application. Albeit Android has one open source SDK's per version. Yet a number of open source projects have graphical applications running on a variety of open source distributions.

Visual depiction of Android fragmentation in 2014 shows huge variety of hardware and OS variant combinations being used:

image linked from Gizmodo article => http://gizmodo.com/what-android-fragmentation-looks-like-its-growing-1624662310

Firefox installation on Linux => https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Installing+Firefox+on+Linux includes:

Many Linux distributions include Firefox by default, and most have a package management system that lets you easily install Firefox.

Building and distributing package varieties would be similar to Android distribution. Caveat: open source distributions do not have the equivalent of Google Play and Amazon Store so would have to publish to more repositories OR choose a subset of open source distributions for development and support (e.g. Oracle database certification on a smallish number of enterprise server distributions).

Has anyone tried using Logos in ReactOS? I know React is not quite stable yet but it might be an option going forward.

Downloading React has a "Did you know?"

If just 1 in 10 people downloading ReactOS would donate less than the cost of a beer each month, we'd be able to hire 10 full time developers.

ReactOS has never had the funds to hire a full time dev, but imagine how much quicker we could reach beta if we did. Please, be that 1 in 10 and help us boost development.

In contrast to ReactOS, wikipedia article about Ubuntu => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29 mentions initial funding of $ 10 million.

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sjm

Realizing that this thread is in its 8th year now, I have little hope in seeing anything from Logos on this. While I was a paying customer before, I've given up on ever seeing something for the Linux users.

For those of you that are willing to help write a Logos for Linux as has been suggested here, I would point you over to http://xiphos.org/ and suggest you put your efforts in there. And put all the lobbying that is going on here into getting the publishers to release works for The Sword Project. That seems the main hurdle right now that is keeping people locked into other platforms. Publishers need to understand that Linux is for serious users that are willing to pay for their works and not just for those that want everything for free. That, along with the understanding that there are protections that can be put on their works. The lobbying needs to be refocused to pressure the publishers to allow their works to be released in this manner.

My 2¢

sjm

Perry Webb

Working on Wine to get Logos Bible Software to run in Wine in Linux would probably be the shortest path. If someone got LBS to work on Wine and set it up in PlayOnLinux, it would automatically do the setup. But, to get it to work would probably take some Wine development.

Working on Wine to get Logos Bible Software to run in Wine in Linux would probably be the shortest path.

Wine currently is not viable because the open source community does not have an alternative for Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) so Logos 4, 5, 6, 7 would not be usable due to lack of WPF graphical layer.

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Michael Hart

Logos Linux Please!

Phil

Solution (sort of)... This assumes you have some I.T. knowledge, but you're running Linux, so you're probably good to go.

I tried to find a home-based solution to this, and basically came up with the same dead-ends...However, I found an option through cloud hosting, which seems to be even better, allowing more flexibility.

First of all, let me preface this by saying that Logos has their own related solution in development through their new web-based application, at app.logos.com... I would rather pay for Logos Cloud to do this, versus paying a secular cloud host... but the costs for the cloud host appears to be quite minimal, after paying Logos for the LBS library licensing.

I have now completely installed the Logos Bible Software application, "downloaded" the library material I am paying for, and have begun to learn to use Logos 7...and as long as I have a stable connection at whatever location I am using, I can read til my eyes go blank (or the boss calls) using my Linux box, or another Mac or Windows PC. All of that took me less than an hour, thanks to Amazon, Microsoft, and of course Logos.

Phil,

Could you explain further the solution you're using? I'm also a Linux user and what I've ended up doing is running Logos in a Windows virtual machine under Linux (KVM). Is that the same thing you're doing? Are you running a virtual machine version of Windows an a cloud host and then remotely accessing it?

Thanks,

Adam

Michael Lindner

I'd like to hear more too, but it sounds to me like he's running Logos on a Windows instance in the Amazon cloud. You can get a free account and use a T2 sized instance for free for a year's trial. After that costs are usage based, and pretty minimal. The down side is, of course, having to have cloud access to use it.

Aaron Newell

So in the interest of trying something different, and because I really enjoy Elementary OS, I went ahead and installed it on my laptop at home a dell xps15 from what 2017 I then installed windows 10 in a vm and installed logos there. I have had no issues so far it is indexing the library right now. I will let you know what if any lag happens... So far I am seeing no real issues, but it is the only thing I am running in the windows machine.

Andrew J. Allcock

How hard can it be? No, seriously! If we can get an Android and Mac version then why not Linux? Logos is the only reason I have to keep any one of my computers booting into Windoze. Now there is a workable online version I might ditch that as it's Windoze 7 and Logos say they will no longer support this. Well, I'm not wasting money on getting another version of Windoze but I would rather have the full functionality of an installed version.

How hard can it be? No, seriously! If we can get an Android and Mac version then why not Linux? Logos is the only reason I have to keep any one of my computers booting into Windoze. Now there is a workable online version I might ditch that as it's Windoze 7 and Logos say they will no longer support this. Well, I'm not wasting money on getting another version of Windoze but I would rather have the full functionality of an installed version.

Great question! Part of the answer is very hard and very time consuming. A 'native' linux version would require a massive effort based on what we know of the way Logos is coded and what we've been told. It was coded for Windows using .net and wpf. Wpf is not very portable at all. The mac version was therefore a substantial and costly effort for faithlife. Bob has talked about this and in fact indicated that with hindsight wpf turned out to be an unfortunate choice. That I think shows a real strength of character and in fairness, how could he have known at the time? With it, they have created a Bible package that is IMHO vastly superior to every other!

Faithlife have been helpful and permissive in letting us work as a community towards the wine solution. Bob encouraged it in a forum post. They have answered questions that have helped us solve some significant problems. E.g. which frameworks are used for which feature and indeed given permission for packaging the msi installer with the wasta package.

A lot of the discussion here is from people who are trying to push the boundaries even further. E.g. other distributions, linux containers on chromebooks etc. Which is brilliant! If you want to run Logos on ubuntu with the wasta package then I can confirm it works almost flawlessly for weeks without crashing etc. There are few limitations, no in app playback of video or audiobooks. Pronunciation audio works. You can't print directly but you can save a word doc and print from libreoffice. System Narrator reading also doesn't work but again you could work around that using a web browser or exported. I have used it extensively to study for my last and next sermon series.

There have been some interesting comments on the forum about it being relatively easy with wine... it was not! Several of us spent a lot of time over a few years testing, submitting bug reports and gathering information to get us here. Loius Lenders has written 3 patches etc. At times, a seemingly simple option or config choice required many experiments with solutions that didn't work to get us there. Rik put a lot of work into packaging etc. There is much ongoing work - regressions happen, one has been corrected and we have others upstream that need fixing. When Logos 32bit is no longer available we will need 64bit to be stable (it isn't yet). If Logos drops .net 4.7.2 and jumps to 5 etc again we may be stuck for a while.

All that said, another take on the question is that now, it could be very easy. The windows version is so close to perfect on Linux already that we may well get there very soon. In day to day use it seems to perform better on my older hardware than the mac version does on my newer hardware. That's subjective but certainly my impression.

Looking ahead, .NET 5 is open source and intended to be more portable. Cross platform wpf alternatives already exist with high compatibility. Microsoft are encouraging and making it easier to port wpf code to work with .NET core. Work on media foundation for wine and .NET is well resourced and ongoing. These things may converge in a way that helps us continue to enjoy the benefits of Logos on Linux. They may even get to the point where it is possible for faithlife to build the src against wine libs and go fully native. Genuinely we might be just a couple of registry keys away from fixing the biggest remaining bugs. We will need to be vigilant in testing for and reporting regressions.

Joshua Stubbs

A Linux release would be one of the hapiest moments in my life. Sigh.

Loye Young

I have been able to get Logos 8 (Windows) running on Fedora Linux, using Wine, in 64 bit.

<rant>
The developers of Logos 8 need not be afraid of supporting Linux users on Wine, or even distributing Logos 8 packaged to run on Linux natively. (.NET code can run on Mono natively, with full Microsoft support.)

There is nothing about Linux that prevents installation and use of proprietary software. There is absolutely no requirement for source code to be available for every program on a Linux machine. The owner of the machine can, if desired, install a proprietary binary blob of code, without any technical or legal prohibition or impediment. It is up to the owner of the machine to decide. (That's called "freedom.")
</rant>

The following is merely the bare outline of what I did. I'm not attempting to give a detailed "How To" article. (Also, I probably will not answer questions or help with your installation.)

System:
Fedora release 32 (Thirty Two)
wine-5.17 (Staging)
winetricks-20200412-1
Processor Information
   Socket Designation: SOCKET 0
   Type: Central Processor
   Family: Core i5
   Manufacturer: Intel
    Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200M CPU @ 2.50GHz
   Voltage: 1.2 V
   External Clock: 100 MHz
   Max Speed: 2500 MHz
   Current Speed: 2500 MHz
    Core Count: 2
   Core Enabled: 2
   Thread Count: 4
   Characteristics:
       64-bit capable

Comments:

1. I used Winetricks to install Microsoft's .NET 4.7.2 and 4.8, after a failed attempt to install. (I had set the wineprefix to Windows 10, using the graphical "Wine Configuration" tool.)

Run Winetricks from the command line, which will give you great visibility into what's going on under the hood. There are a lot of "fixme" and similar comments, but almost all of them are not going to get in the way of running Logos (even if they sound scary).
Ignore the pop-ups and warnings that complain about 64 bit and Mono not being present. If it says "Mono is not present", that is a Good Thing, because it's trying to remove Mono, which is for running .NET natively on Linux and conflicts with the Wine installation of MS .NET (even though MS is the sponsor of Mono).
Winetricks will install earlier versions of .NET. I'm not sure if they are required, but I figure the developer had some reason to install them, so let it do what it did.
.NET graphical installers will open from time to time. They will complain about not finding an installer program and warn you of mysterious and unstated problems in the future. Ignore and click "Continue". (The Wine peeps fixed that problem a few years ago.)
After installing each .NET package, .NET will say you need to reboot. In this situation, that does not mean reboot your machine. it just needs to restart the wineserver. Click the reboot button in the .NET graphical. (I think "Reboot Now" is what it's called, but my memory might be wrong.)
After the .NET graphical finishes, the command line will say something like "Running wineserver -w, which will hang until . . . . " Open another command line session and run "wineserver -k", which will kill the extraneous processes and Winetricks will move on.
Have patience.

2. Likewise, I installed Logos from the command line: "wine [path\to\LogosSetup.exe]"

As mentioned above, I had previously configured the wineprefix to run as Windows 10 (which Faithlife says is a minimum), but somewhere along the way, Winetricks seems to have changed the setting to Windows 7. Logos doesn't complain. (I wonder if the attempted installation of Logos before installing .NET might work better, but since my installation is working, I'm not going to try to figure it out.)
My implementation of Wine requires the use of back-slashes, in the style of Microsoft. [shrug]
Wine installed the program at ".\.wine\drive_c\users\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\Logos.exe" Such location seems odd to me, but perhaps Windows these days installs programs there. Or perhaps the Faithlife peeps put it there to prevent others on the machine or network from running Logos without paying for another license. They gotta make a living, and as the Apostle said, "Don't muzzle an ox when he is treading."

3. If Logos fails to start from the desktop or your Wine menu, or starts and then immediately closes, run Logos from the command line and look at the command line output for debugging information. If that doesn't work for you, try running in a Virtual Machine, or maybe consider whether your kung-fu level is ready for Logos-on-Linux. (I watched Kung Fu Panda last night. Great flick.)

4. When running a program designed for Windows, the program may in fact perform like it does on a Windows machine, to wit: needless CPU activity, bloated RAM, and lots of disc activity, all of which make for poor performance. YMMV, depending on how fast your machine is. Mine is old (circa 2014) and slow, so I get what I get. I need to buy a new rig anyway, so that will probably help.

The first time you fire up Logos, it will need to download and index the data files. The download is not horrible, but the indexing is very painful. The indexing is greedy for CPU (every CPU core and thread was at 100%) and disc IO. Just be patient and let it run overnight. Fortunately, I have an SSD, which makes the disk I/O much faster.
8GB of RAM is not enough, even without indexing going on. When running Linux natively, 8GB is plenty, so I didn't even have a swap partition. But performance tanked when running Logos 8, so I added a swap partition of 8GB, which made a big difference. I set system swappiness at 20. (Google "linux swappiness"). Probably would have been better to do that before installing.

Good luck.

Happy Trails,

Loye W. Young, OP, JD

Walter D. Huyck Jr.

I'm running Linux Mint 20

I'm very new to this

I'm trying to figure out how to install the .net packages from a comand line.

Could please give specific instructions.

Thanks

Walter

Walter D. Huyck Jr.

I have been able to get Logos 8 (Windows) running on Fedora Linux, using Wine, in 64 bit.

<rant>
The developers of Logos 8 need not be afraid of supporting Linux users on Wine, or even distributing Logos 8 packaged to run on Linux natively. (.NET code can run on Mono natively, with full Microsoft support.)

There is nothing about Linux that prevents installation and use of proprietary software. There is absolutely no requirement for source code to be available for every program on a Linux machine. The owner of the machine can, if desired, install a proprietary binary blob of code, without any technical or legal prohibition or impediment. It is up to the owner of the machine to decide. (That's called "freedom.")
</rant>

The following is merely the bare outline of what I did. I'm not attempting to give a detailed "How To" article. (Also, I probably will not answer questions or help with your installation.)

System:
Fedora release 32 (Thirty Two)
wine-5.17 (Staging)
winetricks-20200412-1
Processor Information
   Socket Designation: SOCKET 0
   Type: Central Processor
   Family: Core i5
   Manufacturer: Intel
    Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4200M CPU @ 2.50GHz
   Voltage: 1.2 V
   External Clock: 100 MHz
   Max Speed: 2500 MHz
   Current Speed: 2500 MHz
    Core Count: 2
   Core Enabled: 2
   Thread Count: 4
   Characteristics:
       64-bit capable

Comments:

1. I used Winetricks to install Microsoft's .NET 4.7.2 and 4.8, after a failed attempt to install. (I had set the wineprefix to Windows 10, using the graphical "Wine Configuration" tool.)

Run Winetricks from the command line, which will give you great visibility into what's going on under the hood. There are a lot of "fixme" and similar comments, but almost all of them are not going to get in the way of running Logos (even if they sound scary).

Ignore the pop-ups and warnings that complain about 64 bit and Mono not being present. If it says "Mono is not present", that is a Good Thing, because it's trying to remove Mono, which is for running .NET natively on Linux and conflicts with the Wine installation of MS .NET (even though MS is the sponsor of Mono).

Winetricks will install earlier versions of .NET. I'm not sure if they are required, but I figure the developer had some reason to install them, so let it do what it did.

.NET graphical installers will open from time to time. They will complain about not finding an installer program and warn you of mysterious and unstated problems in the future. Ignore and click "Continue". (The Wine peeps fixed that problem a few years ago.)

After installing each .NET package, .NET will say you need to reboot. In this situation, that does not mean reboot your machine. it just needs to restart the wineserver. Click the reboot button in the .NET graphical. (I think "Reboot Now" is what it's called, but my memory might be wrong.)

After the .NET graphical finishes, the command line will say something like "Running wineserver -w, which will hang until . . . . " Open another command line session and run "wineserver -k", which will kill the extraneous processes and Winetricks will move on.

Have patience.

2. Likewise, I installed Logos from the command line: "wine [path\to\LogosSetup.exe]"

As mentioned above, I had previously configured the wineprefix to run as Windows 10 (which Faithlife says is a minimum), but somewhere along the way, Winetricks seems to have changed the setting to Windows 7. Logos doesn't complain. (I wonder if the attempted installation of Logos before installing .NET might work better, but since my installation is working, I'm not going to try to figure it out.)

My implementation of Wine requires the use of back-slashes, in the style of Microsoft. [shrug]

Wine installed the program at ".\.wine\drive_c\users\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\Logos.exe" Such location seems odd to me, but perhaps Windows these days installs programs there. Or perhaps the Faithlife peeps put it there to prevent others on the machine or network from running Logos without paying for another license. They gotta make a living, and as the Apostle said, "Don't muzzle an ox when he is treading."

3. If Logos fails to start from the desktop or your Wine menu, or starts and then immediately closes, run Logos from the command line and look at the command line output for debugging information. If that doesn't work for you, try running in a Virtual Machine, or maybe consider whether your kung-fu level is ready for Logos-on-Linux. (I watched Kung Fu Panda last night. Great flick.)

4. When running a program designed for Windows, the program may in fact perform like it does on a Windows machine, to wit: needless CPU activity, bloated RAM, and lots of disc activity, all of which make for poor performance. YMMV, depending on how fast your machine is. Mine is old (circa 2014) and slow, so I get what I get. I need to buy a new rig anyway, so that will probably help.

The first time you fire up Logos, it will need to download and index the data files. The download is not horrible, but the indexing is very painful. The indexing is greedy for CPU (every CPU core and thread was at 100%) and disc IO. Just be patient and let it run overnight. Fortunately, I have an SSD, which makes the disk I/O much faster.

8GB of RAM is not enough, even without indexing going on. When running Linux natively, 8GB is plenty, so I didn't even have a swap partition. But performance tanked when running Logos 8, so I added a swap partition of 8GB, which made a big difference. I set system swappiness at 20. (Google "linux swappiness"). Probably would have been better to do that before installing.

Good luck.

Happy Trails,

Loye W. Young, OP, JD

I'm running Linux Mint 20

I'm very new to this

I'm trying to figure out how to install the .net packages from a comand line.

Could please give specific instructions.

Thanks

Walter

Rik Shaw

I'm running Linux Mint 20

I'm very new to this

I'm trying to figure out how to install the .net packages from a comand line.

Could please give specific instructions.

Thanks

Walter

Walter, since Linux Mint 20 is based on Ubuntu, you can follow the guide for wasta-logos-setup here

The wasta-logos-setup process will take care of installing .NET, etc. so you do not need to manually do it.

Rik

Walter D. Huyck Jr.

Great Thank You Rik. It looks like its running now and downloading resources.

Walter

Gerald Winkel

It would be wonderful having LOGOS on Liinux. I love LINUX and have attempted to set up the old LOGOS platform through WINE, unfortunately it crashed each time i tried to open another Bible or Commentary. Please push for LOGOS to wake up and integrate with LINUX. I hardly ever go onto Windows, therefore i use eSword which works well through WINE, but i do miss using LOGOS. God bless all your hard and loyal work at LINUX.

https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller/releases

Gerald you can get it to work fairly well now!

it crashed each time i tried to open another Bible or Commentary.

Hi Gerald, you might be pleased to know that while faithlife do not have an 'official' desktop release for linux, they have been supportive of the platform. The webapp appears to be the official strategy for linux, and its come on a long way, but many of us prefer the desktop app.

The desktop app is stable enough on wine 6.0.1 that it is usable as a daily driver. Sometimes a regression slips in to a dev release but so far we have been able to get regressions fixed fairly promptly. There are some significant improvements to speed and printing in more recent releases so I'm hopeful wine 7 (stable) will be a sweet upgrade for most folks.

Behind the scenes faithlife have been very permissive and supportive of these efforts. Having some familiarity with how it all works, I'm hopeful we will get to a point soon where everything works. For now media playback and speech are not working. I think printing is nearly there but not perfect. Most other things seem to work with the correct configuration.

So the good news is it works!

Arlindo Arun De Souza

For those who have spare backup space, making a copy of the entire working Wine Bottle <LogosBible_Linux_P> can save a lot of time. Everytime one reinstalls Linux distro versions (for me worked interchangeably between Ubuntu and Linux Mint Mate), just copy this entire WineBottle into the Home folder and run as usual!!

Barnabas

it crashed each time i tried to open another Bible or Commentary.

Hi Gerald, you might be pleased to know that while faithlife do not have an 'official' desktop release for linux, they have been supportive of the platform. The webapp appears to be the official strategy for linux, and its come on a long way, but many of us prefer the desktop app.

The desktop app is stable enough on wine 6.0.1 that it is usable as a daily driver. Sometimes a regression slips in to a dev release but so far we have been able to get regressions fixed fairly promptly. There are some significant improvements to speed and printing in more recent releases so I'm hopeful wine 7 (stable) will be a sweet upgrade for most folks.

Behind the scenes faithlife have been very permissive and supportive of these efforts. Having some familiarity with how it all works, I'm hopeful we will get to a point soon where everything works. For now media playback and speech are not working. I think printing is nearly there but not perfect. Most other things seem to work with the correct configuration.

So the good news is it works!

Linux users aren't asking for a "web app." Supporting Linux means porting it.

I'd like to see that too but I understand the economics of the decision. I hope it won't be too long before our solution is so good it makes no difference. I typically do my daily Bible study on Logos with Linux / wine. I'm tentatively hopeful that the roadmap for .NET will lower the cost sufficiently for Faithlife to reconsider and officially port to linux but I think we are 18 months from that being viable if ever.

Phil Murdy

Greetings.

First, thank you everyone for the huge effort put into making Logos available on Linux. Like others have said, I look forward to being able to dump Windows and run everything on Linux.

I just installed Logos 9 on my Mint 20.2 computer and have run into a problem, which I believe is related to Wine. (Note: using "wine --version" from the terminal, I get Wine 6.0.1. However the "Configure Logos 64bit Wine" shows Wine 6.7.)
The problems is this. After clicking Logos, the program starts and gets to the main page (where my resources begin to download) and, after about 3 seconds, Logos quits entirely. I've tried reclicking with the same results. I've also tried restarting the computer. At this point I don't know enough to try anything else.

A "backtrace.txt" file was generated, which I'd be happy to upload if it'd be helpful.

Thanks much in advance.

Phil Murdy

I had trouble at first too. I usually have the most trouble when trying to do large updates/resource downloads. I Uninstalled it all and reinstalled, and did the minimum resource download. Then added the other resources I used 1 at a time.

Jared

MJ. Smith

Likely spam?

Frank Sauer

That or some form of modern day "true" Israelite views???

Likely spam?

Written by a spam ai?

Paul Unger

Question: is there a way to use different versions of Wine for different programs?

A few weeks ago Logos stopped working for me, and the advice here (after a failed attempt to do an 'update') was to do a complete install using Wine 7. I also use PDFXChange Editor in Wine. I have only gotten it to work using PlayonLinux; settings show that it uses the 'system' version of Wine, which is 5.0-3ubuntu1 (per Synaptic Package Manager). Synaptic isn't showing an update available for my 'system' version of Wine, so it seems I'll have to download and install it from the Wine site. But I'd hate to mess up PDFXChange Editor, which is working fine. Can someone offer me some advice / instructions on a way forward? I'd sure appreciate it!

Milkman

[Y]

Sunday Oke

Hello

I have just installed logos 10 with the latest script and when I try to run Logos.sh, whether via script or shortcut, it doesn't do anything

Below is just part of the error message I receive

0108:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x8 0x409 000000000019D260 0000000000000000 000000000019D258) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0108:fixme:nls:get_dummy_preferred_ui_language (0x8 0x409 000000000019D260 000000000019D1B0 000000000019D258) returning a dummy value (current locale)
0108:fixme:ntdll:EtwEventSetInformation (deadbeef, 2, 00000000232CDCC0, 38) stub
0108:err:virtual:virtual_setup_exception stack overflow 2000 bytes addr 0x170058566 stack 0x20830 (0x20000-0x21000-0x1a0000)

Any help would be very much appreciated

Sunday Oke

Hello

I have just installed logos 10 with the latest script and when I try to run Logos.sh, whether via script or shortcut, it doesn't do anything

Below is just part of the error message I receive

Any help would be very much appreciated

Sunday Oke

Hello

I have just installed logos 10 with the latest script and when I try to run Logos.sh, whether via script or shortcut, it doesn't do anything

Below is just part of the error message I receive

Any help would be very much appreciated

Rick Ratzlaff

OH HOW I WOULD LIKE TO GET RID OF MS - Bates

Paul Unger

Hi,

I just tried to install Logos 10 with the latest Ferion script (https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller/blob/master/LogosLinuxInstaller.sh). I got to step 20, clicked Finish, and got:

The installation was cancelled because of error downloading the file!
* Launcher-Template.sh
- WGET_RETURN: 8

Search of this forum thread says I should update to the latest script. I'm pretty sure I used it... Any other suggestions?

Oscar Mauricio Escobar Porras

I haven't tested it since the update 16 hrs ago but that does look right. If the script is fixed then running ./LogosLinuxInstaller.sh -r should create the scripts without doing a full reinstall.

Timothy Henderson

YES YES YES

I know they say Linux is 1%... However, that's because we're forced back into windows when we cannot get the main software we need for our jobs / ministries / &c...

Logos is the single and only reason I'm still using Windows... I've used a virtual box before, but jumping back and forth between Linux and Windows is just not worth it.

Linux Mint for example, is absolutely fantastic software that way more people would use IF they could.

Zoltán-Attila Balaș

Hi Guys!

A have a question. Recently i downloaded Logos Bible Software on Linux Mint 20.x via Wine, but i have this error Message instead. Can someone help me?
Unhandled exception: page fault on execute access to 0x0000000000000000 in 64-bit code (0000000000000000).
Register dump:
rip:0000000000000000 rsp:0000000000417978 rbp:0000000000417b20 eflags:00010202 ( R- -- I   - - - )
rax:000000001e600f80 rbx:0000000000000001 rcx:000000002db6c538 rdx:0000000000000001
rsi:000000002db6c520 rdi:0000000000000000 r8:000052dad751d613 r9:00000000270788a8 r10:000000002707b770
r11:0000000000000000 r12:0000000000000000 r13:0000000000591568 r14:0000000000593480 r15:000000000041ac18
Stack dump:
0x00000000417978: 000000001e5d828f 0000000000000002
0x00000000417988: 0000000000000001 000052dad614d272
0x00000000417998: 00000000026487c7 0000000000000000
0x000000004179a8: 0000064478025dd8 0000000000000000
0x000000004179b8: 000000001e5d81f3 000000002db6c520
0x000000004179c8: 0000000000000001 000000002db6c520
0x000000004179d8: 0000000080000000 fffffffffffffffe
0x000000004179e8: 00000000614fc3c0 0000000000000000
0x000000004179f8: 000000001e49138e 000000001e5d81d0
0x00000000417a08: 000000002db6c520 00000000251daff8
0x00000000417a18: 000000000265fef6 0000000000593480
0x00000000417a28: 0000000025f8cdb7 0000000075a14ff0
Backtrace:
=>0 0000000000000000 (0x00000000417b20)
0000000000000000: -- no code accessible --
Modules:
Module   Address                   Debug info   Name (264 modules)
PE   0000000001ea0000-0000000002474000   Deferred        ole32
PE   0000000002620000-00000000030e7000   Deferred        clr
PE   00000000030f0000-0000000003106000   Deferred        vcruntime140_clr0400
PE   0000000003110000-00000000031cd000   Deferred        ucrtbase_clr0400
PE   000000001c050000-000000001c1ba000   Deferred        diasymreader
PE   000000001c380000-000000001c388000   Deferred        logos.userevents.contracts
PE   000000001c9c0000-000000001ca4a000   Deferred        winex11
PE   000000001d480000-000000001da7c000   Deferred        presentationframework
PE   000000001db60000-000000001dca0000   Deferred        windowsbase
PE   000000001dce0000-000000001dd7c000   Deferred        system.xaml
PE   000000001ddb0000-000000001defe000   Deferred        clrjit
PE   000000001e000000-000000001e0e2000   Deferred        libronix.utility
PE   000000001e0f0000-000000001e13a000   Deferred        logosindexer
PE   000000001e190000-000000001e19a000   Deferred        libronix.utility.sqlite
PE   000000001e1a0000-000000001e246000   Deferred        libronix.utility.windows
PE   000000001e250000-000000001e2aa000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.viewmodels
PE   000000001e3b0000-000000001e42c000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.utility
PE   000000001e490000-000000001e687000   Deferred        wpfgfx_v0400
PE   000000001e690000-000000001e72a000   Deferred        msvcp140_clr0400
PE   000000001e730000-000000001ec0a000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary
PE   000000001ec10000-000000001f01c000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.resourcedrivers
PE   000000001f020000-000000001f13f000   Deferred        presentationnative_v0400
PE   000000001f140000-000000001f2bc000   Deferred        system.core
PE   000000001f320000-000000001f32e000   Deferred        logos.errorreporting
PE   000000001f350000-000000001f366000   Deferred        nlssorting
PE   000000001f3a0000-000000001f71a000   Deferred        presentationcore
PE   000000001fb60000-000000001fb88000   Deferred        system.xml.linq
PE   000000001fbb0000-000000001fc34000   Deferred        libronix.utility.windows.controls
PE   000000001ff20000-0000000020e97000   Deferred        shell32
PE   0000000020ea0000-0000000020ecb000   Deferred        rasapi32
PE   0000000020ed0000-0000000020f1d000   Deferred        jsproxy
PE   0000000020f20000-0000000020f2e000   Deferred        uiautomationprovider
PE   0000000020f30000-0000000020f38000   Deferred        system.runtime.compilerservices.unsafe
PE   0000000020f60000-0000000020f6a000   Deferred        system.buffers
PE   0000000020f90000-0000000020fb6000   Deferred        system.memory
PE   0000000020fe0000-0000000020fe8000   Deferred        presentationframework-systemxmllinq
PE   0000000021010000-0000000021018000   Deferred        presentationframework-systemxml
PE   0000000021020000-0000000021028000   Deferred        presentationframework-systemdata
PE   0000000021050000-0000000021174000   Deferred        oleacc
PE   0000000021390000-0000000021398000   Deferred        logos.userevents.client
PE   0000000021440000-00000000214dc000   Deferred        nlog
PE   00000000214e0000-0000000021766000   Deferred        system.xml
PE   00000000217b0000-00000000217c1000   Deferred        evrpresenter
PE   00000000217d0000-00000000217dc000   Deferred        logos.raygun
PE   0000000021800000-0000000021866000   Deferred        system.configuration
PE   00000000218b0000-00000000219b4000   Deferred        sqlite3
PE   00000000219c0000-00000000219e1000   Deferred        dwmapi
PE   0000000021ae0000-0000000021e49000   Deferred        system.data
PE   0000000021e50000-00000000221b9000   Deferred        system.data
PE   00000000221e0000-00000000226a1000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.native
PE   00000000226b0000-00000000226fe000   Deferred        concrt140
PE   0000000022740000-0000000022907000   Deferred        winmm
PE   0000000023470000-00000000236c5000   Deferred        setupapi
PE   0000000023700000-0000000023712000   Deferred        system.data.sqlite
PE   00000000237f0000-0000000023e7b000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.resources.native
PE   0000000023e80000-0000000023edc000   Deferred        easyhook
PE   0000000023ee0000-000000002407d000   Deferred        icuin52
PE   0000000024080000-0000000024115000   Deferred        libxml2
PE   0000000025170000-00000000251a8000   Deferred        uiautomationtypes
PE   0000000025220000-000000002523a000   Deferred        netstandard
PE   0000000025240000-000000002529c000   Deferred        libronix.globalization
PE   0000000025310000-0000000025342000   Deferred        presentationframework.classic
PE   0000000025350000-000000002535a000   Deferred        system.runtime
PE   0000000025370000-00000000253c6000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.controls
PE   0000000025450000-00000000254c4000   Deferred        wpftoolkit
PE   00000000254d0000-00000000254e8000   Deferred        faithlife.informationpanelapi.v1
PE   00000000254f0000-00000000254f8000   Deferred        faithlife.facilitycommon
PE   0000000025500000-000000002552a000   Deferred        libronix.utility.viewmodels
PE   0000000025530000-0000000025552000   Deferred        system.numerics
PE   0000000025560000-0000000025586000   Deferred        faithlife.libraryreportsapi.v1
PE   0000000025590000-00000000255e8000   Deferred        libronix.richtext
PE   00000000255f0000-0000000025690000   Deferred        reachframework
PE   0000000025690000-00000000256b8000   Deferred        faithlife.notesapi.v1
PE   00000000256c0000-00000000256d8000   Deferred        logos.ownerdrawn
PE   00000000256e0000-000000002572e000   Deferred        faithlife.libraryreports
PE   0000000025730000-0000000025754000   Deferred        facility.core
PE   0000000025760000-0000000025782000   Deferred        logos.webbrowser
PE   0000000025790000-0000000025864000   Deferred        presentationui
PE   00000000259a0000-0000000025b62000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.guides
PE   0000000025b70000-0000000025c46000   Deferred        xilium.cefglue
PE   0000000025c50000-0000000025c70000   Deferred        faithlife.workflowsapi.v1
PE   0000000025c70000-0000000025c94000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes.bible
PE   0000000025ca0000-0000000025cca000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes.generic
PE   0000000025cd0000-0000000025d24000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes.core
PE   0000000025d30000-0000000025d5c000   Deferred        xceed.wpf.controls
PE   0000000025d60000-0000000025f50000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.documents
PE   0000000025f50000-00000000268ce000   Deferred        windowscodecs
PE   00000000268d0000-00000000268e6000   Deferred        libronix.utility.json
PE   0000000026910000-000000002691c000   Deferred        logos.preferences.manager
PE   0000000026920000-0000000026950000   Deferred        system.net.http
PE   0000000026950000-000000002695a000   Deferred        logos.userevents.manager
PE   0000000026960000-000000002696e000   Deferred        logos.resourceviewtracking.client
PE   0000000027100000-00000000271ae000   Deferred        libronix.searchengine
PE   00000000272c0000-00000000272cb000   Deferred        normalization
PE   00000000272f0000-0000000027300000   Deferred        logos.webbrowser.windows.native
PE   00000000273f0000-0000000027410000   Deferred        system.componentmodel.dataannotations
PE   0000000027410000-000000002743a000   Deferred        userenv
PE   0000000027460000-0000000027468000   Deferred        presentationframework-systemcore
PE   00000000274f0000-00000000277fc000   Deferred        xceed.wpf.datagrid
PE   000000002d360000-000000002d39a000   Deferred        logos.sync
PE   000000002d660000-000000002d6b0000   Deferred        system.security
PE   000000002d780000-000000002d830000   Deferred        newtonsoft.json
PE   000000002d830000-000000002d930000   Deferred        system.runtime.serialization
PE   000000002d9a0000-000000002d9c0000   Deferred        logos.mediaservices
PE   000000002ddc0000-000000002ddce000   Deferred        logos.deviceservices.client
PE   000000002de30000-000000002de3a000   Deferred        system.threading.tasks.extensions
PE   000000002de50000-000000002de62000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.http
PE   000000002de70000-000000002de7e000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.dependencyinjection.abstractions
PE   000000002de80000-000000002de96000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.dependencyinjection
PE   000000002dea0000-000000002deb0000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.logging.abstractions
PE   000000002deb0000-000000002deba000   Deferred        microsoft.bcl.asyncinterfaces
PE   0000000030310000-0000000030320000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.options
PE   0000000030370000-000000003037c000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.logging
PE   00000000303c0000-00000000303ce000   Deferred        microsoft.extensions.primitives
PE   0000000030400000-0000000030408000   Deferred        system.valuetuple
PE   0000000030470000-00000000304c8000   Deferred        logos.documents.contracts
PE   0000000030510000-0000000030550000   Deferred        faithlife.notesapi.core
PE   0000000030550000-0000000030560000   Deferred        faithlife.reflection
PE   0000000030590000-00000000305ce000   Deferred        faithlife.libraryresourcesapi.v1
PE   00000000305f0000-0000000030610000   Deferred        faithlife.data
PE   0000000030630000-0000000030638000   Deferred        faithlife.facilitysync
PE   0000000030640000-000000003065e000   Deferred        faithlife.notesapi.clientcore
PE   0000000030660000-00000000306ae000   Deferred        faithlife.notesapi.clientdata
PE   00000000306b0000-0000000030b02000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes.misc
PE   0000000034950000-0000000034958000   Deferred        logos.preferences
PE   0000000034a30000-0000000034a42000   Deferred        faithlife.guidedlearningapi.sync.v1.client
PE   0000000034a50000-0000000034a5e000   Deferred        logos.customdictionaryservices.client
PE   0000000034a60000-0000000034b12000   Deferred        secur32
PE   0000000034b70000-0000000034b80000   Deferred        faithlife.facilitysync.logossync
PE   0000000034bb0000-0000000034bc0000   Deferred        faithlife.guidedlearningapi.sync.v1
PE   0000000034be0000-0000000034c00000   Deferred        faithlife.workflowsapi.core
PE   0000000034c10000-0000000034c18000   Deferred        logos.customdictionaryservices
PE   0000000034c30000-0000000034c5c000   Deferred        faithlife.workflowsapi.clientdata
PE   0000000034c60000-0000000034c72000   Deferred        faithlife.workflowsapi.clientcore
PE   0000000034d40000-0000000034d60000   Deferred        faithlife.musicservices.v1
PE   0000000034d60000-0000000034d6c000   Deferred        logos.documents.notes.client
PE   0000000034d70000-0000000034d7c000   Deferred        biblebrowserapi.v1.client
PE   0000000034d80000-0000000034d8c000   Deferred        faithlife.verseofthedayapi.v1
PE   0000000034d90000-0000000034d98000   Deferred        system.threading.tasks
PE   0000000034da0000-0000000034db0000   Deferred        faithlife.librarycatalogapi.v2
PE   0000000034db0000-0000000039a0c000   Deferred        logos.fonts
PE   000000003b310000-000000003b332000   Deferred        mscorsecimpl
PE   000000003b340000-000000003b354000   Deferred        faithlife.logosdesktopapi.v1
PE   000000003b360000-000000003b36e000   Deferred        faithlife.lemmapassageapi.v1
PE   000000003b370000-000000003b380000   Deferred        faithlife.morphsearchapi.v1
PE   000000003b380000-000000003b38c000   Deferred        logos.usertaggingservices.client
PE   000000003b390000-000000003b3a8000   Deferred        faithlife.guidedlearningapi.v1
PE   000000003b3b0000-000000003b3c0000   Deferred        faithlife.biblecomparisonapi.v1
PE   000000003b3c0000-000000003b3ca000   Deferred        faithlife.fuzzybiblesearchapi.v1
PE   000000003b420000-000000003b474000   Deferred        logos.accountservices.v1.client
PE   000000003b4b0000-000000003b4c6000   Deferred        logos.documentsharing.client
PE   000000003b6e0000-000000003b6ec000   Deferred        flvu.client
PE   000000003b6f0000-000000003b702000   Deferred        resourcesapi.v5.client
PE   000000003b740000-000000003b760000   Deferred        soundfaith.client
PE   000000003b7c0000-000000003b7c8000   Deferred        system.runtime.extensions
PE   000000003b7e0000-000000003b7ee000   Deferred        faithlife.atlasapi.v2
PE   000000003b800000-000000003b80c000   Deferred        logos.touchpoints
PE   000000003b810000-000000003b892000   Deferred        system.text.json
PE   000000003b8a0000-000000003b912000   Deferred        logos.communityservices.v1.client
PE   000000003be20000-000000003be2c000   Deferred        logos.touchpoints.models
PE   000000003bee0000-000000003bee8000   Deferred        logos.websections.client
PE   000000003bf30000-000000003bf54000   Deferred        clrcompression
PE   000000003bf60000-000000003bff2000   Deferred        system.drawing
PE   000000003cf60000-000000003cf6e000   Deferred        logos.telemetryservices
PE   000000003cf70000-000000003cf8b000   Deferred        v8_libplatform
PE   000000003cf90000-000000003cf98000   Deferred        faithlife.v8
PE   000000003cfb0000-000000003cfbb000   Deferred        v8helper
PE   000000003cfc0000-000000003cfea000   Deferred        v8_libbase
PE   000000003f0b0000-000000003f0ba000   Deferred        accessibility
PE   000000003fae0000-000000003fb3a000   Deferred        cryptnet
PE   000000003fb40000-000000003fb52000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes
PE   000000003fba0000-000000003fbb2000   Deferred        system.io.compression
PE   000000003fc10000-00000000408f7000   Deferred        v8
PE   00000000445a0000-00000000445ea000   Deferred        protobuf-net
PE   0000000044600000-0000000044602000   Deferred        usp10
PE   00000000451a0000-000000004522f000   Deferred        winepulse
PE   0000000045bd0000-0000000046174000   Deferred        system.windows.forms
PE   0000000046400000-000000004827c000   Deferred        libronix.datatypes.datatypeinfo
PE   0000000048520000-00000000485a2000   Deferred        naudio
PE   00000000485b0000-0000000048bc8000   Deferred        system.servicemodel
PE   0000000048bd0000-0000000048cfd000   Deferred        chrome_elf
PE   0000000048d00000-0000000048d53000   Deferred        credui
PE   0000000048d60000-0000000048d78000   Deferred        licensesapi.v5.client
PE   0000000048f10000-0000000048f56000   Deferred        libronix.digitallibrary.factbook
PE   0000000048f70000-000000004908d000   Deferred        l3codeca
PE   0000000049a90000-0000000049b56000   Deferred        mmdevapi
PE   000000004a800000-000000004a945000   Deferred        icuuc52
PE   000000004ad00000-000000004b599000   Deferred        icudt52
PE   000000004bfa0000-000000004c06b000   Deferred        mfreadwrite
PE   000000004d0d0000-000000004d3da000   Deferred        faithlife.homepagehost
PE   000000004ece0000-000000004ef90000   Deferred        comdlg32
PE   000000004ef90000-000000004f2ea000   Deferred        gdiplus
PE   00000000533c0000-0000000053686000   Deferred        mf
PE   0000000053850000-0000000053886000   Deferred        uiautomationcore
PE   0000000053890000-000000005d3e9000   Deferred        libcef
PE   0000000061300000-0000000061391000   Deferred        iphlpapi
PE   0000000061540000-0000000061672000   Deferred        advapi32
PE   0000000061740000-00000000619c6000   Deferred        wininet
PE   0000000062100000-000000006218e000   Deferred        msvcp140
PE   0000000062cc0000-0000000062ce5000   Deferred        ncrypt
PE   0000000062dc0000-0000000063088000   Deferred        rpcrt4
PE   0000000063280000-00000000632a0000   Deferred        version
PE   00000000635c0000-0000000063939000   Deferred        urlmon
PE   00000000639c0000-0000000063a15000   Deferred        shcore
PE   0000000064840000-0000000064997000   Deferred        shlwapi
PE   0000000064c00000-0000000064c17000   Deferred        esent
PE   0000000064cc0000-00000000651e9000   Deferred        oleaut32
PE   0000000065380000-00000000653af000   Deferred        wtsapi32
PE   00000000656c0000-0000000065708000   Deferred        sxs
PE   0000000065bc0000-0000000065bee000   Deferred        wpc
PE   0000000065d40000-0000000065d6b000   Deferred        kerberos
PE   0000000066040000-000000006608a000   Deferred        bcrypt
PE   00000000661c0000-00000000662bb000   Deferred        winspool
PE   00000000664c0000-00000000664f2000   Deferred        hid
PE   0000000066540000-0000000066576000   Deferred        rtworkq
PE   0000000066900000-0000000066954000   Deferred        win32u
PE   00000000674c0000-0000000067546000   Deferred        explorerframe
PE   0000000067640000-0000000067652000   Deferred        psapi
PE   0000000067a80000-0000000067c2e000   Deferred        d3d9
PE   0000000068040000-0000000068274000   Deferred        mfplat
PE   0000000068300000-00000000684a1000   Deferred        combase
PE   0000000068500000-00000000685cc000   Deferred        uxtheme
PE   00000000686c0000-0000000068762000   Deferred        netapi32
PE   0000000068c00000-0000000068c24000   Deferred        aclui
PE   0000000069200000-000000006920c000   Deferred        vcruntime140_1
PE   0000000069400000-0000000069542000   Deferred        winhttp
PE   0000000069740000-00000000697cb000   Deferred        propsys
PE   0000000069e40000-0000000069eba000   Deferred        msacm32
PE   000000006a080000-000000006a3a8000   Deferred        msvcrt
PE   000000006abc0000-000000006ad1f000   Deferred        dxgi
PE   000000006b7c0000-000000006b7e1000   Deferred        dhcpcsvc
PE   000000006ba00000-000000006bad1000   Deferred        sechost
PE   000000006bc40000-000000006bf8c000   Deferred        dwrite
PE   000000006c540000-000000006c6cd000   Deferred        cryptui
PE   000000006c7c0000-000000006ca2c000   Deferred        gdi32
PE   000000006ca40000-000000006cf9e000   Deferred        comctl32
PE   000000006d580000-000000006d626000   Deferred        ws2_32
PE   000000006d680000-000000006d6c8000   Deferred        msv1_0
PE   000000006d940000-000000006d97e000   Deferred        imagehlp
PE   000000006db00000-000000006db20000   Deferred        schannel
PE   000000006db80000-000000006db9e000   Deferred        wevtapi
PE   000000006e2c0000-000000006e30a000   Deferred        dnsapi
PE   000000006e6c0000-000000006ea42000   Deferred        crypt32
PE   000000006eb00000-000000006f100000   Deferred        user32
PE   000000006f280000-000000006f2a1000   Deferred        nsi
PE   000000006f2c0000-000000006f39d000   Deferred        wintrust
PE   000000006f700000-000000006f858000   Deferred        msctf
PE   000000006f880000-000000006fb7a000   Deferred        dbghelp
PE   000000006fc40000-000000006fd03000   Deferred        rsaenh
PE   0000000070040000-000000007005b000   Deferred        vcruntime140
PE   0000000070740000-00000000707a8000   Deferred        mpr
PE   0000000070940000-0000000070a32000   Deferred        ucrtbase
PE   0000000071000000-0000000071061000   Deferred        imm32
PE   0000000071240000-0000000072853000   Deferred        wined3d
PE   000000007a850000-000000007a854000   Deferred        opengl32
PE   000000007b000000-000000007b5c3000   Deferred        kernelbase
PE   000000007b600000-000000007b79a000   Deferred        kernel32
PE   0000000140000000-0000000141f54000   Deferred        logos
PE   0000000170000000-000000017039d000   Deferred        ntdll
PE   0000000180000000-00000001800a9000   Deferred        mscoreei
PE   000006427ee50000-000006427eebf000   Deferred        mscoree
PE   0000064474a80000-00000644756ed000   Deferred        system.ni
PE   0000064478000000-00000644795e3000   Deferred        mscorlib.ni
PE   000007ff33a60000-000007ff33a78000   Deferred        dxva2
Threads:
process tid      prio    name (all IDs are in hex)
00000038 services.exe
   ["C:\windows\system32\services.exe"]
   0000003c    0
   00000040    0
   0000004c    0
   00000064    0
   00000084    0
   00000090    0
   000000b4    0
   000000c8    0
   000000e8    0
   000000ec    0
00000044 svchost.exe
   [C:\windows\system32\svchost.exe -k LocalServiceNetworkRestricted]
   00000048    0
   00000054    0
   00000058    0
0000005c winedevice.exe
   [C:\windows\system32\winedevice.exe]
   00000060    0
   00000068    0
   0000006c    0
   00000070    0
   00000074    0
   00000078    0
   000000c4    0
0000007c winedevice.exe
   [C:\windows\system32\winedevice.exe]
   00000080    0
   00000088    0
   0000008c    0
   00000094    0
   00000098    0
   0000009c    0
   000000a0    0
   000000a4    0
   000000a8    0
000000ac plugplay.exe
   [C:\windows\system32\plugplay.exe]
   000000b0    0
   000000b8    0
   000000bc    0
   000000c0    0
   00000264    0
   0000026c    0
000000cc explorer.exe
   ["C:\windows\system32\explorer.exe" /desktop]
   000000d0    0
   000000d4    0
   000000d8    0
000000e0 rpcss.exe
   [C:\windows\system32\rpcss.exe]
   000000e4    0
   000000f0    0
   000000f4    0
   000000f8    0
   000000fc    0
   00000100    0
   000001ec    0
   00000360    0
00000110 (D) C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\Logos.exe
   ["C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\Logos.exe"]
   00000114    0 <==
   00000118    0
   0000011c    2
   00000124    0
   00000128    0
   0000012c    0
   00000130    0
   00000138    0
   0000013c    0
   00000148   -1
   0000014c    0
   00000150    0
   00000154    0
   00000158    0
   0000015c   -1
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   00000164    0
   00000168    0
   0000016c   -1
   00000170    0
   00000174    0
   00000178    0
   0000017c    0
   00000180    0
   00000184    0
   00000188    0
   0000018c    0
   00000190    0
   00000194    0
   00000198    0
   0000019c    0
   000001a0   -1
   000001a4    0
   000001a8    0
   000001ac    0
   000001b4    0
   000001b8    0
   000001bc    0
   000001c0    0
   000001c4    0
   000001c8    0
   000001cc    0
   000001d0    0
   000001d4    0
   000001d8    0
   000001dc    0
   000001e0    0
   000001e4    0
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   000001f4    0
   00000200    0
   00000204   15
   0000020c    0
   00000210    0
   00000214    0
   00000218    0
   0000021c    0
   00000220    0
   00000224    0
   00000228    0     CrBrowserMain
   0000022c    0     ThreadPoolServiceThread
   00000230    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   00000234   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   00000238    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   0000023c    0     Chrome_IOThread
   00000240    0     MemoryInfra
   00000244    0
   00000248    0     ThreadPoolSingleThreadCOMSTASharedForeground0
   0000024c    0     ThreadPoolSingleThreadCOMSTASharedForegroundBlocking1
   00000250    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   00000254    0     CompositorTileWorker1
   00000258    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   0000025c    0
   00000260    0     VideoCaptureThread
   00000268    0     ThreadPoolSingleThreadForegroundBlocking2
   00000278   -2     ThreadPoolSingleThreadSharedBackgroundBlocking3
   0000027c    0     ThreadPoolSingleThreadSharedForegroundBlocking4
   00000280   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   00000284   -2     ThreadPoolSingleThreadCOMSTABackgroundBlocking5
   00000288    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   00000294    0     CacheThread_BlockFile
   0000033c    0
   0000034c    0
   000003f0    0
0000028c LogosCEF.exe
   ["C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\LogosCEF.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=storage.mojom.StorageService --field-trial-handle=4972,10301198783108741135,15417536494281645183,131072 --disable-features=WinUseBrowserSpellChecker --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=utility --no-sandbox --locales-dir-path="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\CefLocales" --user-agent-product="Logos/9.17 (9.17.0.10; en-US; Win)" --lang=en-US --user-data-dir="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\CEF\User Data" --custom-schemes=assembly|logos-app|logos-resource|https|themed|empty-request|dynamic-data --log-file="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Faithlife\Logs\Logos\cef.log" --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5024 /prefetch:8]
   00000290    0     CrUtilityMain
   000002b4    0     BrokerEvent
   000002b8    0     ThreadPoolServiceThread
   000002c0   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   000002c4    0     Chrome_ChildIOThread
   000002c8    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
00000298 LogosCEF.exe
   ["C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\LogosCEF.exe" --type=utility --utility-sub-type=network.mojom.NetworkService --field-trial-handle=4972,10301198783108741135,15417536494281645183,131072 --disable-features=WinUseBrowserSpellChecker --lang=en-US --service-sandbox-type=none --no-sandbox --locales-dir-path="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\CefLocales" --user-agent-product="Logos/9.17 (9.17.0.10; en-US; Win)" --lang=en-US --user-data-dir="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\CEF\User Data" --custom-schemes=assembly|logos-app|logos-resource|https|themed|empty-request|dynamic-data --log-file="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Faithlife\Logs\Logos\cef.log" --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5280 /prefetch:8]
   0000029c    0     CrUtilityMain
   000002d0    0     BrokerEvent
   000002d4    0     ThreadPoolServiceThread
   000002dc   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   000002e0    0     Chrome_ChildIOThread
   000002e4    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   000002e8    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   000002ec    0
   000002f0    0
   000002f8   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   000003e8    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
000002a0 LogosCEF.exe
   ["C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\LogosCEF.exe" --type=renderer --locales-dir-path="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Logos\System\CefLocales" --user-agent-product="Logos/9.17 (9.17.0.10; en-US; Win)" --uncaught-exception-stack-size=10 --user-data-dir="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\CEF\User Data" --custom-schemes=assembly|logos-app|logos-resource|https|themed|empty-request|dynamic-data --no-sandbox --log-file="C:\users\bzoltan\Local Settings\Application Data\Faithlife\Logs\Logos\cef.log" --field-trial-handle=4972,10301198783108741135,15417536494281645183,131072 --disable-features=WinUseBrowserSpellChecker --disable-gpu-compositing --lang=en-US --device-scale-factor=1 --num-raster-threads=4 --enable-main-frame-before-activation --renderer-client-id=5 --mojo-platform-channel-handle=5368 /prefetch:1]
   000002a4    0     CrRendererMain
   000002fc    0     BrokerEvent
   00000300    0     ThreadPoolServiceThread
   00000308   -2     ThreadPoolBackgroundWorker
   0000030c    1     Chrome_ChildIOThread
   00000314    0
   00000318    0
   0000031c    0     GpuMemoryThread
   00000320    1     Compositor
   00000324    0     ThreadPoolSingleThreadSharedForegroundBlocking0
   00000328    0     CompositorTileWorker1
   0000032c    0     CompositorTileWorker2
   00000330    0     CompositorTileWorker3
   00000334    0     CompositorTileWorker4
   00000338   -2     CompositorTileWorkerBackground
   00000340    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
   000003f4    0     ThreadPoolForegroundWorker
00000350 explorer.exe
   ["C:\windows\system32\explorer.exe" /desktop]
   00000354    0
   00000358    0
   0000035c    0
System information:
    Wine build: wine-7.18 (Staging)
    Platform: x86_64
    Version: Windows 7
    Host system: Linux
    Host version: 5.4.0-144-generic

It doesn't work, I've tried a thousand times in every way and it's impossible.
And apologies, but statistics are always very biased, they don't say what it is.
I have been to hundreds of forums to install Logos on Linux, and I see that many people, not companies, are crying out for it.
I think Logos should divorce Microfoft, it's the only acceptable divorce in the canons.

No funciona, lo he intentagdo mil veces de todas las maneras y es imposible.
Y disculpas, pero las estadisticas siempre son muy sesgadas, no dicen lo que es.
He estado en centenares de bolg para instalar Logos en Linux, y veo que muchas las personas, no empresas, que lo están pidiendo a gritos.
Pienso que Logos debería divorciarse de Microfoft, es el único divorcio aceptable en los cánones.

I am thrilled to find this forum! Over the next few weeks, I am switching to Linux and, of course, want to take Logos with me. I will be a lurker and occasional info seeker. Thank you!

I am thrilled to find this forum! Over the next few weeks, I am switching to Linux and, of course, want to take Logos with me. I will be a lurker and occasional info seeker. Thank you!

I am thrilled to find this forum! Over the next few weeks, I am switching to Linux and, of course, want to take Logos with me. I will be a lurker and occasional info seeker. Thank you!

https://github.com/FaithLife-Community/LogosLinuxInstaller

I am thrilled to find this forum! Over the next few weeks, I am switching to Linux and, of course, want to take Logos with me. I will be a lurker and occasional info seeker. Thank you!

Miguel Shanchez

Hi everybody. I'm a new Linux user. I have installed Logos 10 software on Linux Mint 21 xfce and installed it successfully. I'm glad I found the installation steps in this forum. However, after I ran the software, Logos seemed to stop at the initial window (logo) and did not enter the software interface. Can anyone help me?

Bill Anderson

Hi everybody. I'm a new Linux user. I have installed Logos 10 software on Linux Mint 21 xfce and installed it successfully. I'm glad I found the installation steps in this forum. However, after I ran the software, Logos seemed to stop at the initial window (logo) and did not enter the software interface. Can anyone help me?

Miguel, you will need to tell us how you installed Logos on your Mint system. Did you use the snap method or the script found at https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller.

Also, there is a bug that prevents the most recent version of Logos to be installed using Wine, so that may be part of your problem. If you are able, sign up on Telegram or Matrix and find the Logos on Linux discussions there. Support is more readily available from users there.

Kelly Smith

Has anyone tried version 31 or 31.1 ?

I'm glad to say, I'm finally switching fully to Linux! Going with Garuda

extollIT Enterprises

Yes, absolutely! Linus has said they have no plans to install a government backdoor in Linux, and that's putting it tactfully. Linux will become increasingly relevant as the G7 continues to ape late Rome.

Mike Appel

Linux will run Windows software in the WINE application. So, how can we get the Logos installer.exe file so we can try to install it on Linux?

Bill Anderson

Linux will run Windows software in the WINE application. So, how can we get the Logos installer.exe file so we can try to install it on Linux?

It has already been done: https://github.com/ferion11/LogosLinuxInstaller

We are stuck at version 29, though.

Mike Appel

Have you tried this one? When I went to the GitHub site, it appears to be in development. Perhaps it's just over my head. Do you have any tips to jump start this?

Taylor

We are in process of writing a major update here. Once we are at beta, we will deprecate the old version.

Bill Anderson

Have you tried this one? When I went to the GitHub site, it appears to be in development. Perhaps it's just over my head. Do you have any tips to jump start this?

I have installed it many times. It is technical to get it working. I learned through a lot of trial and error. And I mean a lot. It makes you realize the development and support Logos expends on the Windows and Mac installations.

Yes, as Taylor just said, it is in development, but most things work once you have the system up and running. A few things don't work, and that's the price of admission if you want to run Logos on Wine in Linux. As I said, we're stuck on Logos 29. Versions 30 and above will not install in Wine, so if you need that, you'll likely need to wait until this is resolved.

Volunteers like Taylor and others who have spent a lot of time trying to get Logos to work in Wine are available on Matrix and Element to answer questions.

Taylor mentioned the new script. It is great because it will look at your system and install all the dependencies your system needs to run Wine. It makes it a lot easier for regular folks to install Logos on Wine.

Z.D. Houghton

Will the steps above also work for a Verbum user? Thanks! This is my last step to having my Linux laptop with everything I’d need.

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1344135#Comment_1344135

Until someone still active in the Linux installs responds - I can say that I never had an issue installing Verbum as a test when I was active in the Linux work.

Frank Sauer

@John Goodman or @Taylor may have insight to your question

I don't have an active verbum subscription to test it. Verbum 10 worked fine.

Richard Fletcher

I'm following all the steps in the last few pages but I have some questions.

Where is the Logos install coming from? Do I use the one in Crossover? Is there one to get off the Logos site? When I try to download the setup file it tells me I'm not compatible.
What is the matrix or Telegram group names? I tried searching Matrix but don't know what I'm looking for. I have Telegram but never used it much.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/2501#Comment_2501

If they were able to get the web app to work similar to the desktop app, then making a native Linux version for download wouldn't that much more difficult in my uneducated thoughts. If you built a downloadable app that was based on Firefox or another open source web browser where it would be able to link to a folder or URL depending on interet connection. If this were how they developed it...then that download could be THE future of the desktop app. Again I am not educated in the programing aspect of these things but I would think an open source web browser shell could be a viable option, as long as there was an ability to link to offline locations of your library.

Michael

If you are following all the steps in the last few pages you are mixing installs.

If you are using Linux to get the exe file you will need to change the browser to show it is a Windows browser not a Linux browser.

For everything else you have 2 options:

use the script supplied in the github page and it will (should?) do everything for you.
install CrossOver, create an empty Windows 10 or 11 bottle, download the dll package from the github page and put it in the empty CrossOver Windows 10 or 11 bottle, install Logos into the empty Windows 10 or 11 bottle.

I am waiting for Codeweavers (who make CrossOver) to approve Logos/Verbum. Once that is done I can create a CrossTie which should do everything for you. Until then the 2 options above are your best bets.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1347693#Comment_1347693

Telegram is "Running Logos Bible Software on Linux"

Taylor

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1326305#Comment_1326305

Create an account at Telegram or on a Matrix server and join the appropriate channel:

Server: https://telegram.org/ ; Channel: https://t.me/linux_logos

For the default matrix server: https://matrix.org ; Channel: #logosbible:matrix.org

I installed Logos using the beta 4 binary, and I'm currently stuck on the step of downloading the library. When I choose "Run Logos" on the TUI, it opens the page where I can choose to download the whole library or part of it. And there's a progress bar that was stuck on 10% for a while and now on 20% (not sure what I did to let it make progress). But when I choose to download the whole library, the window disappears and the TUI goes from saying "Stop Logos" back to saying "Run Logos." I tried leaving it in this state overnight to see if anything was running in the background, but it didn't work. How do I let it download the rest of the library?

There are a couple workarounds. You may either need to delete the ICU files in your Downloads directory or remove the library catalog.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1344135#Comment_1344135

Yes.

Taylor

The easiest or most up-to-date install can be run through our installer hosted on GitHub. Our installer attempts to handle your system dependencies as well. Beta 5 will introduce support for the Alpine distribution. We currently support Debian-based, Fedora-based, Arch-based, and OpenSUSE-based distros.

https://github.com/FaithLife-Community/LogosLinuxInstaller

You can download the latest release here:

https://github.com/FaithLife-Community/LogosLinuxInstaller/releases/tag/v4.0.0-beta.4

We recently renamed the project to Ou Dedetai. It is a self-contained installer. There are some issues with the install procedure, and we are working on a hefty refactor that should make the install procedure more consistent and resolve the recent bugs that have been found. When beta 5 is released, it should in general be much more stable.