Turabian formatting wrong or user error?
When Logos automatically adds a footnote with Turabian formatting set, the formatting appears incorrect.
take for instance the following which was generated by logos 9 set to Turabian. 8tha and 9th.
Russell, D. S. 1968. Between the Testaments. Revised Edition. Philadelphia: Fortress Press.
a proper Turabian footnote it seems would be formatted as follows
D. S Russell, Between the Testament (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1987).,42
Logos has a fair bit of incorrect formatting in this case from the name being in the incorrect order, parenthesis missing around publisher and date, and missing the page number at the end. Some other forum posts have indicated this is due to the book not having the page number but this is not the case as compare the ABA formatted footnote that logos generates.
Russell, D. S. (1968). Between the Testaments (Revised Edition, p. 42). Fortress Press.
Is there someway to correct the formatting on my end short of rewritting each foot note or is this a defect in the application that needs to be resolved?
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If I select some text from the resource and copy and paste it here in the forum, here is what I get:
[quote]
For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate.
D. S. Russell, Between the Testaments, Revised Edition. (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1968), 32.
This looks like what you are expecting. The format you are reporting is the resource citation. How are you getting what you see?
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Here is what I get
[quote]
For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate.
Russell, D. S. 1968. Between the Testaments. Revised Edition. Philadelphia: Fortress Press.
I am just copying from the text in the desktop app select text and then control C control V to paste as show in the image. Also including a copy of the program settings
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I've just checked and with Turabian 8th I get page numbers in the citation while with Turabian 9th I don't
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Graham Criddle said:
I've just checked and with Turabian 8th I get page numbers in the citation while with Turabian 9th I don't
Thank you. This makes sense. We do have a case open for this issue with Turabian 9th. I don't have an estimate for when it will be resolved. I would recommend using 8th edition for now.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks Andrew
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That did it which is enough for what I need right now (8th)
[quote]
For a short time during the reign of John Hyrcanus (i.e. Hyrcanus I, 134–104 B.C.) Judaea became a vassal state, but independence was regained in 129 B.C. and was confirmed by the Roman Senate
D. S. Russell, Between the Testaments, Revised Edition. (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1968), 32.
thanks for the help!
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Thanks for this report. We were quite confused, until someone pointed out that Turabian 9th edition has two style approaches:
- Notes and Bibliography, which is primarily for footnotes;
- and Author-Date, which is intended for in-text citations.
The formatting above seems to be correct for the Author-Date style, but it makes sense that it doesn't match what you were expecting. Logos primarily uses third-party CSL libraries to automate citations, and the Notes-and-Bibliography version of Turabian 9th isn't available yet. We will make sure to add it in the future. In the meantime, we've updated the name of the style in the software to be more transparent (coming in 9.11), and you'll probably want to use 8th edition for now.
As always when using automated citations, check the formatting against your style guide for correctness (just as you would for spellcheck or grammar corrections).
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Thanks Adam
That's helpful insight, Graham
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Adam / Andrew
A quick search on Zotero shows that the Turabian 9th ed Notes and Bibliography style (known also as the 'full-note' style) has been available for a while now.
Can this now be added?
Please 😊
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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I second what Mark says 👆
Keith Pang, PhD Check out my blog @ https://keithkpang.wixsite.com/magnifyingjesus
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Mark Rodgers said:
A quick search on Zotero shows that the Turabian 9th ed Notes and Bibliography style (known also as the 'full-note' style) has been available for a while now.
Can this now be added?
Thanks for the reminder. I've added a case to add this style.
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
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Thanks, Mark and Keith. I'll pass this along to our product manager.
In the meantime, you can also add your support for this idea by voting for it at https://feedback.logos.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/turabian-9th-edition.
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Many thanks Andrew and Adam.
Appreciate this, and have voted it up.
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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Thank you, I appreciate it!
Keith Pang, PhD Check out my blog @ https://keithkpang.wixsite.com/magnifyingjesus
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Hey Adam and Andrew
Apologies in advancing for bumping this up, but would it be too much to ask for an update about this?
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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With the broken Turabian 9th style, I've been using ChatGPT to fix my footnotes and bibliographies, which works great. Maybe integrating AI to create Turabian 9th citations would be a better approach, since CSL doesn't seem to have been updated for more than two years now?
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Hi Jan,
That's so strange... it's exactly what I'm currently doing. I created a GPT with the basic info for the style, and here's the result: https://chatgpt.com/g/g-MJNxeBC9w-turabian-9th-ed-assistant
It's far from perfect because of the word count for the configuration instructions, but with a few tweaks, it's been working for me.
What have you been doing in ChatGPT? A specific prompt or your own GPT?
Andrew /Adam, it would still be great to get an update of a potential fix?
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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It looks like the CSL Turabian full-note style was updated on 18th May 2023.
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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Mark Rodgers said:
What have you been doing in ChatGPT? A specific prompt or your own GPT?
No, not that advanced. I only have a chat with all the citation requests. ChatGPT first made some mistakes, but after correcting those, it's now working quite stable.
Mark Rodgers said:It looks like the CSL Turabian full-note style was updated on 18th May 2023.
Indeed. I suspect that the individual styles get updated independent of CSL itself.
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Mark Rodgers said:
but would it be too much to ask for an update about this?
Hi Mark. This work is important for us to do, so we're working on prioritizing it as high as we can. However, it likely won't be done for several months, given many other competing priorities. We'll be sure to update this forum thread once the work has been completed.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Jan, that's great you've got ChatGPT working for you.
Ali, thank you for the update. As always, appreciate you taking time to get back to me!
Original Libronix user, living in Scotland, running 29,500 resources on Mac Studio (2022).
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