Official: You Can Now Get Early Access to the Next Version of Logos
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Ok, I was pretty doom and gloom about AI in general, but now that I've tried it in Logos, the smart search and summarize are brilliant tools, nice work Logos.
Also after seeing what Sermon Audio is doing with AI it is great to see how Christians are using technology like this to the glory of God."Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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Is there a way to toggle the AI off so I can see the differences in results?
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Is there a way to toggle the AI off so I can see the differences in results?
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Joel J. said:
Is there a way to toggle the AI off so I can see the differences in results?
You can if using a Books Search
There isn't this option in an All search - that will use a Smart Search unless you specify traditional Logos search syntax which will cause a switch to using Precise Search.
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It seems to lead to different results. I am unsure if "better" or not yet (undecided), but it is interesting how it leads to unique findings.
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Joel J. said:
It seems to lead to different results. I am unsure if "better" or not yet (undecided), but it is interesting how it leads to unique findings.
It only accesses books in your library or Cloud. The ALL Search also accesses un-owned books in the Logos catalog.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
The ALL Search also accesses un-owned books in the Logos catalog.
I was tempted to buy more books through the ALL search. I no longer use it. I search my books.
Blessings in Christ.
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John said:
What results does it give if you ask when the rapture will be?
It is not a chatbot for answering questions. It is an AI enhanced search for search resources. My library is light on the topic but the first 3 screens are:
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I don't know how to get them.
Blessings in Christ.
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I don't know how to get them.
Blessings in Christ.
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John said:
There are several kinds of artificial intelligence, some that have been in use for decades. Advances in chips (Nvidia) allowed the growth of LLM's (large language models) which power chatbots as well as other artificial intelligence applications. Logos is taking advantage of the AI apps most appropriate for use within Logos.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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John said:Tes said:
I was tempted to buy more books through the ALL search. I no longer use it. I search my books.
Shouldn't use of those books all be included in the monthly subscription?
ALL searches the Logos catalog and gives results for books you do not own! Subscription only provides access to a selected number of books that you do not own i.e. ones you can download to Library, Search, read, highlight etc.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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scooter said:
I am as serious as those who use a higher percentage of the app. So, L10 forever would be great.
Don't we already have L10 forever if we purchased it?
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Claude Brown Jr said:scooter said:
I am as serious as those who use a higher percentage of the app. So, L10 forever would be great.
Don't we already have L10 forever if we purchased it?
Yes, I think so.
Blessings in Christ.
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I apologise for jumping in here at page 64 and asking a dumb/obvious question. I only just found out about these changes. The OP states:
Logos Pro includes most of the Logos 10 Full Feature Set
I understand that existing users won't lose books, but do we lose functionality? I have invested in ancient ms. tools/datasets, and would hate to lose those kinds of features in Pro.
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tm19 said:
I understand that existing users won't lose books, but do we lose functionality? I have invested in ancient ms. tools/datasets, and would hate to lose those kinds of features in Pro.
Logos licenses (including for features) are additive: when you subscribe to Logos Pro, you'll get access to everything in Pro that you don't already have, not be downgraded to only what's in Pro.
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Any plans for Logos Pro to be able to search my sermons as well, the text of the document? Would be extremely helpful finding quotes and such I've used before. Sometimes searching just the title doesn't work. Not even sure it needs to be a Logos Pro feature, but with better search it would be nice.
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Josh Bernard said:
Any plans for Logos Pro to be able to search my sermons as well, the text of the document?
Doesn't the search meet your needs?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:
I understand that existing users won't lose books, but do we lose functionality? I have invested in ancient ms. tools/datasets, and would hate to lose those kinds of features in Pro.
Logos licenses (including for features) are additive: when you subscribe to Logos Pro, you'll get access to everything in Pro that you don't already have, and not be downgraded to only what's in Pro.
I think I had a question about the subscription model: do we lose functionality? In other words, with products like Microsoft 365, I can not lose functionality if they go out of business or if there is no internet access. With Logos, there is functionality within the purchased product only available with the internet. Should Logos for whatever reason decide to withhold access there goes my purchase at least in part. I did not worry about that until now because I thought it like Microsoft it would last forever. Now with a subscription-only model I have some fear.
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Claude Brown Jr said:
Now with a subscription-only model I have some fear.
Claude, they've repeated over and over, what you buy is yours. Books and features. They use the term 'forever', though Mark used the term 'forseeable future' (which is a more honest appraisal). A new owner can have their own policies (or current owners change their minds).
But regarding subscriptions:
- If you subscribed, it's as good as the subscription terms. Unlikely to just 'turn it off'. But they could end a plan, after a subscription completes. That's happened before.
- But they are more likely to alter subscriptions and terms over time. This year's plan is this years plan. Next year, who knows. Prices, content.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Claude,
Disclaimer: I am NOT part part of Logos so what I am going to say is speculation on my part but I think logical.
Any feature, subscription or not, that relies on an internet connection to access a Faithlife server in order to do its thing would necessarily no longer work if that server were no longer available. Assuming Logos ceased as a company and no one picked up the software to continue the business, then yes those (and only those) features that NEED access to Logos servers would no longer work.
An example of a "feature" that requires such access and is currently part of an L10 Feature Set (not under subscription) would be the Bible Browser.
Other "Features" that are owned outright and do not require a internet connection would continue to work as normal.
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Roy said:
Any feature, subscription or not, that relies on an internet connection to access a Faithlife server in order to do its thing would necessarily no longer work if that server were no longer available. Assuming Logos ceased as a company and no one picked up the software to continue the business,
However, if one lives in the vicinity, one is more concerned with their business resumption plan for a major earthquake. Decades before Logos, Russian bombs were only slightly below earthquakes in disaster recovery. I would assume that Logos is a mature enough company to have well-off-site recovery plans. Earthquake study suggests the 'big one' could be much worse than expected - The Weather Network
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
However, if one lives in the vicinity, one is more concerned with their business resumption plan for a major earthquake. Decades before Logos, Russian bombs were only slightly below earthquakes in disaster recovery. I would assume that Logos is a mature enough company to have well-off-site recovery plans. Earthquake study suggests the 'big one' could be much worse than expected - The Weather Network
I loved that response.[:D]
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I am a part-time minister who uses Logos for both my personal study and sermon prep. For awhile now I have been wanting to purchase the "Logos 10 Silver Feature upgrade." I am wanting to do so for some of the exclusive iPad features this enables in logos. There are also some interlinears and datasets included, which I am wanting.
The $300+ dollars is what has prevented me from making this purchase. Now I am wondering whether this is my last chance to get these features without having to enroll in an ongoing subscription model (which I prefer not to do).
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Benjamin Pope said:
So, will I lose the option to purchase these features if I don't do so now?
I have been wondering that too.
tm19 said:I understand that existing users won't lose books, but do we lose functionality?
Internet based functionality could be a thing we lose.
My question is what happens if I don't subscribe and features get "upgraded" to the point that my one-year-old purchased feature hasn't really been deprecated, but doesn't work anymore because it's been upgraded. I can't buy the upgrade, because it's, you know, internet dependent now. But I can subscribe to make my purchase work again. In 2-3 years, how many of my purchased features will still work because they have been upgraded? Maybe someone will make a living inventing legacy feature crutches. Or maybe Logos will make sure legacy features still work. Not that I expect that (imagine your own antecedent for "that")...but it's worth mentioning.0 -
Benjamin Pope said:
The $300+ dollars is what has prevented me from making this purchase. Now I am wondering whether this is my last chance to get these features without having to enroll in an ongoing subscription model (which I prefer not to do).
So, will I lose the option to purchase these features if I don't do so now?Mark has made clear elsewhere that there will be plenty of notice for users to purchase feature sets if they choose before they are cut off. It is also possible that they will go on a final sale before you lose the opportunity.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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After reading hundreds of posts and replies, I still don't know what I am getting into. But since I use AI for data science (my day job), I am going to fall in the error of innovation.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:danwdoo said:
Can you expand a little on this? I am an existing connect member. It sounds like there are a few features/datasets I currently have that are not in Pro. I would prefer to wait and learn more about the plans before switching but want to know what is meant by special price. If I wait will I be losing out on a special early-access price that will continue into the future or will I have similar pricing options when the final plans are announced?
That's a great question. We'll make sure that customers who follow our advice and wait until they hear more about our plans for Connect subscribers aren't disadvantaged.
So, customers who followed the advice given from Logos...what is the final plan for connect subscribers?
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:mike said:
So instead of fixing the broken/dead service of Logos Connect, you guys just add another service on top of the old one with the same price with LESS FEATURES?
So.. Logos Connect $150 + Logos Pro $120 = $270 per year.
Is this where this company is going?
No, that's not where we're going.
The subscription that will launch later in the year will replace Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite. So the future state is not Faithlife Connect + Logos Pro. Faithlife Connect will be going away. The future state is just Logos Pro or one of the other subscription tiers.
Right now, we're not ready with that subscription, so we can't migrate people from Connect to Logos Pro. But later in the year, once we've built out more features and have a migration plan in place, we will be moving customers from Connect to Logos Pro or one of the other tiers. So, right now, you can choose to stay with Connect or get both Connect and Pro. (Theoretically, you could get Pro and then cancel Connect, but we don't recommend it because you'd lose your perks and some features and books.)
But Connect+Pro is a temporary situation, only during the early access period.
So are we still suppose to wait if we have Connect and Pro?
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Mark said:Mark Barnes (Logos) said:mike said:
So instead of fixing the broken/dead service of Logos Connect, you guys just add another service on top of the old one with the same price with LESS FEATURES?
So.. Logos Connect $150 + Logos Pro $120 = $270 per year.
Is this where this company is going?
No, that's not where we're going.
The subscription that will launch later in the year will replace Faithlife Connect and Preaching Suite. So the future state is not Faithlife Connect + Logos Pro. Faithlife Connect will be going away. The future state is just Logos Pro or one of the other subscription tiers.
Right now, we're not ready with that subscription, so we can't migrate people from Connect to Logos Pro. But later in the year, once we've built out more features and have a migration plan in place, we will be moving customers from Connect to Logos Pro or one of the other tiers. So, right now, you can choose to stay with Connect or get both Connect and Pro. (Theoretically, you could get Pro and then cancel Connect, but we don't recommend it because you'd lose your perks and some features and books.)
But Connect+Pro is a temporary situation, only during the early access period.
So are we still suppose to wait if we have Connect and Pro?
My plan is to wait as I believe that is what they are saying. From what I can tell from above we won't lose out. Official confirmation would be nice though. I hope they come up with a plan soon though...
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Mattillo said:
My plan is to wait as I believe that is what they are saying. From what I can tell from above we won't lose out. Official confirmation would be nice though. I hope they come up with a plan soon though...
I am an early adopter of Pro, own Logos 10 feature set and was on Connect from month one. I am interested if my years of Connect qualify me for any further discounts than what is currently being displayed. We were told in the beginning of this transition to hold tight on the Connect transition. It would be nice to get an update.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:Mattillo said:
My plan is to wait as I believe that is what they are saying. From what I can tell from above we won't lose out. Official confirmation would be nice though. I hope they come up with a plan soon though...
I am an early adopter of Pro, own Logos 10 feature set and was on Connect from month one. I am interested if my years of Connect qualify me for any further discounts than what is currently being displayed. We were told in the beginning of this transition to hold tight on the Connect transition. It would be nice to get an update.
Read Mark's Post here: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/223375.aspx?PageIndex=6
I'm going to try to quote it...
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Mark said:Mine renews in November. I know someone else has theirs renewing in August. I guess this is my question. I am not 100% sure how the process will work and Mark has not been very clear about it. While it is okay for Mark not to know exactly how it will work, assurances from time to time are helpful.
What would happen if I cancel my FC Essentials annual subscription now and just upgrade to Max? Would I be reimbursed for the 3 months I did not use FC?
At the risk of repeating myself, I am sorry that Connect subscribers are somewhat stuck at the moment. We are doing our best to get the migrations planned as fast as we can.
At some point between now and the launch, we will email existing Connect subscribers, giving a date for migration. In that email, we'll explain what you'll gain and lose (if anything) due to the migration. We will ensure we migrate the unused portion of your subscription, along with the 2% cashback you've accumulated.
If you cancel before that, I'm afraid we won't be able to reimburse you for the unused portion of your subscription, and you will likely lose any cashback you've accumulated.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Friends, peace and good. Please, for those who have already migrated, does AI support allow searches also in personal books and also in notes created by the user?
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Mark, I've had Logos since 1995, when it was QuickVerse, and watched it develop over time. I use it everyday and am concerned with the subscription model and features; how much is lost if there is no Internet connection? Thanks for the great program that has been put together. I own the Silver Edition, Logos Full Feature Set. 😎
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Logos was never QuickVerse, that was whole different company & software.
Here is an older message from Bob P. when he still owned Logos...
When we started there were lots of DOS programs, and soon many Windows ones... QuickVerse, Ask God, BibleWindows, GRAMCORD, Wordsearch, CDWordLibrary, Online Bible, PC Study Bible, etc.
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Sorry, I worded it wrong probably. At the time, it was either bought out or purchased and rerouted to a few other companies, like WordSearch; which eventually ended with me owning a version of Logos.
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...does AI support allow searches also in personal books and also in notes created by the user?
No. AI will not search user created books or documents.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dale Earp said:
...I use it everyday and am concerned with the subscription model and features; how much is lost if there is no Internet connection? Thanks for the great program that has been put together. I own the Silver Edition, Logos Full Feature Set.
If you mean working offline then search the Logos Help manual for "Net" as those features will require the Internet whether you subscribe or not.
To find features that require AI/online, then search for "AI Credits" as these also require a subscription.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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May I ask
It says that if I keep logos 10 subscription for 2 years
What do I get to keep ?
Is it an actual logos 10 program? Do I get to keep feature sets? Like gold?
Can anyone help me understand
I can't find what data sets are included
Features sets like read aloud mobile app or sermon builder
And what in liners
I can't find any list
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May I ask
It says that if I keep logos 10 subscription for 2 years
What do I get to keep ?
Is it an actual logos 10 program? Do I get to keep feature sets? Like gold?
Can anyone help me understand
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May I ask
What feature sets and data sets and in liners are included in logos max subscription
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Berechiah said:
What do I get to keep ?
See my reply at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224151.aspx
Berechiah said:I can't find any list
There is no list. You will know know after 2 years, but have a pretty good idea during that time.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave Hooton said:
There is no list. You will know know after 2 years, but have a pretty good idea during that time.
And this is still a massive PR problem - Subscribe and turn the handle like the old gumball machines to find out what you get....
Hopefully we will get an accurate list of included features for each subscription option, as well as a well defined list of what would be kept after two years of payments.... Somewhere in the posts, Mark in some way admitted that he's not sure what's coming in the future - so as has been said elsewhere by others - users could wind up with zero to keep for their investment....
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Frank Sauer said:Another question that may be good to have the answer to before launch.....
Yes. Let's say you subscribe to Logos Pro for one year, and then upgrade to Logos Max.
After two years, you'll be eligible for a Logos Pro fallback license. After a further year, that would get upgraded to a Logos Max fallback license.
I doubt that there would be an option to pay the difference, but we're two years away from that being an issue, so I can't be dogmatic. I appreciate that puts L10 full-feature set owners wanting to get the most value from the fallback license in something of a quandary. Do you pay for Logos Max from day one, even though there's not much difference between that and Logos Pro right now, in the hope that it will snag you a better fallback license in two years' time?
No one can answer that question because no one knows (not even me!) exactly what might go into Logos Max over the next two years.
As of now - for your up to $260 investment (if you have the discount) - you get to keep instant dark/light mode.... Anything else? That's right - it's being "worked on"
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Do u think the full features upgrade will be available to purchase when the new subscription comes?
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Do u think the full features upgrade will be available to purchase when the new subscription comes?
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Do u think the full features upgrade will be available to purchase when the new subscription comes?
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