a question from an Accordance User

Jonathan Huber said:

Clicking on the lemma in Mark's screenshot is taking Kristin to a search pane. Click Inline instead (next option to the right of the lemma marked in blue) and it'll keep you right in the text. 

If I press the lex thing like Mark's screenshot, it brings me to that "search" window. If, by contrast, I click "Inline" it does open the Bible, but it brings me to Jn 1.  The only way I seem to be able to see results prior to Jn 1 is to open that search window where I can't copy.

Graham Criddle said:

You could right-click the word, ensure the lemma is selected on the left and run an Inline Search

Hi Graham,

Oh, I think I see. So when I press "inline" it is bringing me back to Jn 1:1 since that is where I am. So I need to press "Inline" then manually scroll up to Mt? Or likewise, if I start in Rev and do Inline, I likewise need to manually scroll though the entire NT back to Mt to find the first instance?

Aaron Hamilton said:

If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be frustrated that the full array of options do not appear when doing a Bible search, requiring the additional step of clicking into the verse to continue your study. Does this reflect some of your frustration?

Hi Aaron,

Ya, I think a lot of my frustration is that as a general rule Logos requires multiple steps, where Accordance requires one. So you are correct that is kind of annoying that if I want to find the first word of a lex I need to right click, press inline, scroll to the top, THEN copy the word. While in Accordance, by contrast, I right click, search lex, copy.

So while I am vary grateful that the Logos process has been reduced to a 4 step process from an 8 step process, it is nonetheless more steps than I have needed to do for years. Likewise, that "search" window, which does in fact show Mt at the top, is completely useless apart from viewing it like a picture, since the only options are to "Send to Proclaim" or click on the hyperlinked verse which brings me out of the search. 

I think a sort of similar frustration I *think* is user error, but I am not sure. I had tried that OR sentence Graham had listed above, but there was NO WAY to replicate his screenshot. I finally got so tired of writing out that long phrase I simplified it with this example:

I am currently in Rev 1:2. If I go to the search box (which currently says "Revelation 1:1-20" and is using the ESV) and I type Gen 1:1 OR Gen 5:1 and press enter, it auto-snaps back to Rev 1:2. I have found the only way to actually do new searches is to do that "close all" and restart the ESV. Then it reopens in Rev, but from there I can click Gen 1 and it opens.

However, if from there I search Gen 1:1 OR Gen 5:1 and press enter, it does literally nothing.

By contrast, in Accordance I can click the search and type Gen 1:1, Gen 5:1 and enter, and it pulls those to verses. I think the issue in Logos is that is set to a word as opposed to a verse, or something, but again, in Accordance I can click "Gen 1:1" and run my search and then type "Peter" and run it, and it is truly a non-issue and I don't have to re-tell it what I am looking for. Accordance figures out that if I type a verse, I want a verse, and if i type something else, I must want a word. 

Graham Criddle said:

Yes - that is correct.

Thank you for clarifying. 

Mark Allison said:

Pressing Cmd-up arrow will take you to the top of the pane. 

On a Mac, correct? If I do it does nothing. 

Donovan R. Palmer said:

Or with the search active and until you clear the search, you can type in Mat 1:1 or any other reference for that matter.

That worked! Thanks!

So right click --> search --> inline --> Mt 1

Mark Allison said:

Yes, on a Mac. You need to make sure the pane you want to navigate is active (by clicking anywhere in it). Then Cmd-↑ will take you to the top of the screen and Cmd-↓ will take you to the bottom.

Hi Mark,

Maybe one of my other random windows was active when I tried it. I don't have time at the moment, but when I have the chance again I will take a look at this again.

Mark Allison said:

When you say you have "Revelation 1:1-20" in the search box, are you talking about what I've circled in red in the image below? If so, that's the problem. Whatever reference you type into the reference box (at the top) won't go outside of the range you've searched for. You need to delete your search (click on the magnifying glass button) and then you should be fine. 

Thank you. I am pretty sure I am clicking the right thing, but given my results, likely not. Likewise, when I have the chance I will take a closer look at this and play around with it. Hopefully that will fix it. Thanks. 

Brian Leathers said:

Let me know if this helps you.

Hi Brian,

Thanks! Like you mentioned on the actual thread, it is for sure a lot of steps (especially compared to Accordance's simple process), but for sure good to know! [Y]

Mark Allison said:

When you say you have "Revelation 1:1-20" in the search box, are you talking about what I've circled in red in the image below? If so, that's the problem. Whatever reference you type into the reference box (at the top) won't go outside of the range you've searched for. You need to delete your search (click on the magnifying glass button) and then you should be fine. 

Hi Mark,

I think I might understand. So the first search thing with the magnifying glass is like the Accordance verse search, and the search box under it with your red circle is like the Accordance word search. Is this correct?

Likewise, assuming this is correct, with the search box with the red circle, "Bible" means "English word lookup" and "Morph" means "underlying Greek or Hebrew word lookup"? Is that correct? 

Graham Criddle said:

I don't know what those terms mean in an Accordance context but the mapping doesn't "sound" quite right.

Does this help at all?

The box outlined in red below is a navigation box - enter a new Bible reference to update the Bible to that place

And you get different navigation options in different types of books - in an encyclopedia, for example, you will get options to navigate to headwords (titles of articles) or page number (if the book supports page numbers)

The search box below the navigation box opens the Inline Search bar - which gives options for running Book, Bible or Morph style searches. This provides the ability to filter the display of your Bible (or other book) based on the search terms.

 

While the Bible search option (in fact all of them) can do single word or phrase lookup, it supports searching with the full range of Logos tagging as well.

Hi Graham,

Thank you very much for the detailed screenshots. That was very helpful. I think you and Mark were both correct that I was mixing and matching those two search functions.

I think it will take me a little bit to really get used to it, but I think I fundamentally understand it now... I think. The first top search thing is basically talking about the range. So in the first screenshot the biblical range is in John, then in the second search under it, it is clarified what is searched for. So for example, Jesus talking to Peter IN JOHN. To test this, I changed the first search to Mt-Jn, and now it is highlighting stuff in Matthew. So I think I understand it. I will post a screenshot in case I am totally off.

I will need to look closer at your screenshots and play with it a little, but right off the bat I have two related questions about the part what is searched for:

1. The "speaker" and "addressee" is super unnatural for me. The "speaker" is normally the "subject" or "nominative" and the "addressee" is normally the "direct object" or "accusative." I tried running the search like that, replacing "speaker" with "subject" and replacing "addressee" with "direct object" but I got an error message. Is there a way to use familiar grammatical terms?

2. If not, and these are set commands, is there a list of what commands work somewhere? I don't think I would have guessed "addressee" in a thousand years.