Interested in the most recent updates to Logos?
Read more on the Word by Word blog by Logos: https://www.logos.com/grow/release-august-2024/
Please let us know what you think.
Interested in the most recent updates to Logos? Read more on the Word by Word blog by Logos: https://www.logos.com/grow/release-august-2024/ Please let us know what you think.
A more distinct opinion could be given if users knew which updates will forever be tied to a subscription and which would be owned via Fallback. Some updates/features may or may not render a more negative view if a perpetual subscription is required for its use vs owning it after 2 years. Some may be worth the perpetual subscription - but the unknown makes it hard to fairly evaluate any new features or updates.
I guess. Is the blog, now a Logos advertisement
I do not like it as much. Too much ads overrun the software. I would like to see thoughts from people who use Logos daily and the bookshelf recs given by people.
Please let us know what you think. I guess. Is the blog, now a Logos advertisement (which is fine).
It would probably read more like a blog and less like an advertisement if the new features were demonstrated to be used in a real way like how it would aid in preparing a sermon or addressing a theological question.
The new features are decent. Still waiting to see what the biggest improvements are, outside of AI features. Staying positive.
I would like to see thoughts from people who use Logos daily and the bookshelf recs given by people.
I can't be critical of the company needing to toot its new ideas. Success needs to succeed.
But your comment was so good.
Years back (at least for me) the forum provided that narrative. So many books I got, I learned from the forum. Practical use. Faster paths. And I still discover new 'tricks' accidentally.
Is there still that narrative? Seems app-tinkering and sales modes are today's core discussion. Certainly the blog could fulfill the old learning role. Folks would say, watch a video?!
Considering that it is tagged as release notes and that as a blog entry you want to stay within a certain length, I think you did a good job of selecting what information could be provided and you presented it in a logical and visually pleasing form.
Considering that it is tagged as release notes...
True. With that in mind, it was succinct and well written. This seems to be a new practice as the only other entry tagged as release notes is from July. I think it's a great way to share updates. Just had to tweak my expectations.
No results on my iPad and instructions not clear on iPhone.
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Years back (at least for me) the forum provided that narrative. So many books I got, I learned from the forum. Practical use. Faster paths. And I still discover new 'tricks' accidentally. Is there still that narrative? Seems app-tinkering and sales modes are today's core discussion. Certainly the blog could fulfill the old learning role. Folks would say, watch a video?!
The forum has been a poor cousin for quite a while. Posts like @Brian 's Original Language Studies workflows based on his experience with BibleWorks and Accordance used to be a lot more frequent. https://community.logos.com/forums/t/224717.aspx
A few thoughts.
1. IMHO Faithlife Groups has never taken off. Lots of and lots that could fill a whole forum post on this. It is almost as if it was never finished and it is buried out there in the Logos ecosystem.
2. This forum software is very, very old and does not really interact or relate to Faithlife Groups. It also lacks many of the more modern forum features. Before this, we were on a USENET newsgroup, so change is almost non-existent.
3. Yet another element to this is the wiki. It functions well on some levels, but lacks cohesion at times with either of the above.
4. In the midst of launching many other things, it seems in recent years there has not been a strategy for building and engaging community. Yes, Logos management get on these forums, which is brilliant. Yet Logos' tactics are mostly marketing these days. Community takes another approach. Also, training webinars are in a giant silo that as far as I can tell, have no follow on in Logos' online community strategy.
5. The forum is organised against product platforms and therefore mostly has a technical support orientation. (which is good) The denominational groups are in some cases just hollow placeholders on the forum list. Not only that, Logos has so many products, any community activities are diffused across these 'channels'. I mentioned this recently in relation to a 'problem of the week' to solve with the platform. The response was put it in the desktop forum. The problem is, increasingly you can use the web and mobile apps as part of your workflow.
Years ago, I think Logos got it right when it created the URL community.logos.com. Community was the way to go. I think now, a clean sheet of paper needs to be taken out, and the whole thing revamped. If we were starting all over today, how would we organise for fostering community?
I agree with you Donavan - the Faithlife Group that I use (Proclaim) is a constant source of frustration. It is cluttered with fixed, pointless posts. There is no notification when you browse of new posts and when you want to review a thread most of it is hidden.
2. This forum software is very, very old. It lacks many of the more modern forum features
Old it may be but it does have some advantages over every replacement that I have seen. New posts bring items to the top of the list. One can see which items have unread posts. It eschews the puerile 'Amen', 'Like' and 'Affirmed' responses that are just a pain.
We do have too many forums and I don't understand why much archive material is not deleted to prevent it reappearing when it is totally irrelevant to today's operations.
We probably do need a new forum platform but we should not throw the baby our with the bathwater.
The forum has been a poor cousin for quite a while. Posts like @Brian 's Original Language Studies workflows based on his experience with BibleWorks and Accordance used to be a lot more frequent.
I agree, and this one reason I also think your idea of having a original language forum would be great. The general forum and the Desktop forum are clearly not attracting a lot of original language discussion or questions! And, when one or two original language discussion show up they seemed to be quickly drowned out. With the exception of the mega thread started by a user of another platform wanting to learn logos.
I watched one of the videos for the first time... very good! One question though: Can bookmarks be added for some large categories? (i.e. new feature 1, new feature 2, etc.)
Question is:
Do we want Logos to be spending precious time and resources on improving Faithlife Groups, forum platform, blogs, wiki, (feedback site) etc, OR should they be spent on improving the Bible software itself?
I'm not sure!
- The Wiki is a canary in the gold mine. Back when Logos did Bible study, it could be laid out pretty nicely. But as Faithlife kept adding bells and whistles, along with issues in documentation, the Wiki became harder to organize. KSFJ and Dave seem to try to keep re-vamping it. But it illustrates, the Faithlife product line uses the kitchen-sink approach.
- And that reflects in the forum. What exactly would the current day community want? And how much expertise remains in Faithlife (who used to comment), as well as the forum.
Donovan mentions original languages (good), but it soon becomes greek 202 (hebrew?, latin?, any interest?).
So, some more sellable features into the kitchen sink.
Part of the reason of where I am today in my studies is due to hanging out with Logosians who had a passion for studying the Bible and using this software. In the earliest days, this was a usenet newsgroup. Cheap, simple and was very effective.
OK, I would never suggest going back there (though I have a lot of nostalgia from those early internet days), but the solutions that Logos could employ would not necessarily create a dichotomy between it is either the software or the community platform.
But this is more than just software. I think it is the users that in part, make the software as good as it is, because if Logos lost that connection we would definitely see it.
I think it would be fair to say that another Bible software product has gone a direction of being very heavy handed in their management strategy of their forums, squashing community and I think it will only contribute to the hard times that they are already in. I know it is a bit bold to say this, but the way they have gone about this, makes me wonder if they think life would be easier if they didn't have a forum at all. Some companies have gone this way... just email support@ourcompanyisgreat.whatever and that's it. If you are patient, you can call our call centre too.
Regardless, I don't run Logos, so all I can do is put it out there! I do have a passion for building online community, but I am sure they have already thought much about what we are reading in this forum thread. 🫤
This forum software is very, very old
We're still hoping to replace it later this year. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/222472/1295735.aspx#1295735
