New Feature: Dynamic Resource Toolbar
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Thank you Nick
Too soon old. Too late smart.
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Thank you Mark
Too soon old. Too late smart.
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MJ. Smith said:
The integration of notes made me expect to be able to access highlights within the panel.
Do you mean the notes/highlights filter in the left sidebar. That will be an option in the Notes tab on desktop.
MJ. Smith said:Where are my visual filters beyond the reformatting?
It hasn't been implemented on the web yet. As Nick says, we've concentrated on moving existing functionality into the toolbar. We haven't added any extra functionality. Rest assured, all the normal visual filters will remain available on desktop.
MJ. Smith said:I'm not fond of the new application tool bar.
Quick Actions has been around on the web for about a year now and wasn't part of this latest work, but your point is well made. Right now, we don't have plans to bring Quick Actions to the desktop, but if we do, we'll consider making it more useful.
Thanks for all the other feedback, too.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:DMB said:
That's kind of as far as I could figure out... my top Bible was given a volume reference. In any event, on an iPhone??
It looks like you've selected Request Desktop Site in Safari on your phone. That's likely to cause problems. To change this, click the AA icon in your address bar, and choose Request Mobile Site.
Oh. And Mobile Site looks so much better. I'm done.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We debated this quite a bit. Your comment has made one or two developers very happy because they've been advocating for the same thing!
Pleased to be of service[:)]
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:The reason it's currently here it because the Go tab is the first and, therefore, primary tab. It's intended to be the place where most of the commonly used actions belong.
That's good to know - I hadn't realised that nuance.
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I seem to have a problem with displaying notes / highlights
EDIT: Please don't worry about this - notes display fine on the web app on another computer so must be something strange in my browser. I'll look into it further.
This is what I see on desktop
but nothing shows on web
But notes do appear in ESV on web
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This is just my opinion, but it seems that Link Set might fit better under Tools.
Above all these things, walk in love, which is the bond of perfection. - Colossians 3:14
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DMB said:
Oh. And Mobile Site looks so much better. I'm done.
That's still the desktop site, but with the vertical toolbar instead of the horizontal one. Try that AA menu again?
PS You can close the suggestion to download the Logos Mobile app by clicking the X to the left of the banner.
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Sam Shelton said:
This is just my opinion, but it seems that Link Set might fit better under Tools.
Yes - I wasn’t sure it belonged in the Go menu
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You are onto something very good.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:DMB said:
Oh. And Mobile Site looks so much better. I'm done.
That's still the desktop site, but with the vertical toolbar instead of the horizontal one. Try that AA menu again?
PS You can close the suggestion to download the Logos Mobile app by clicking the X to the left of the banner.
You're right. I selected the wrong pic. Below is the mobile view.
And I no longer click the huge advert away ... 1/5 of screen??
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Nice!
I'm missing an option to change to my personalized highlighter palette. For now I don't find it - or will it be implemented in the future?
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Nice!
I'm missing an option to change to my personalized highlighter palette. For now I don't find it - or will it be implemented in the future?
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Nice!
I'm missing an option to change to my personalized highlighter palette. For now I don't find it - or will it be implemented in the future?
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I noticed I am still not able to look at the discourse breakdown on the web app like I can with the desktop app will that eventually move over to the web app functionality
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We don't currently have plans to add any additional functionality/features to the web app toolbar that didn't previously exist. Our goal with this new toolbar was to change the look of it to make the existing functionality/features more discoverable and intuitive.
Ali Pope | Logos Desktop and Mobile Program Manager
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:MJ. Smith said:
The integration of notes made me expect to be able to access highlights within the panel.
Do you mean the notes/highlights filter in the left sidebar.
No, I meant I expected to see the Highlighter palattes for creating highlights.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:
We debated this quite a bit. Your comment has made one or two developers very happy because they've been advocating for the same thing! The reason it's currently here it because the Go tab is the first and, therefore, primary tab. It's intended to be the place where most of the commonly used actions belong.
- Should Insights belong in Go, because it allows you to go to your study Bibles and commentaries?
- Should it belong in View because the user is choosing whether to view Insights or not?
- Should it belong in Tools because the sidebar is a tool that helps you find related information about the passage?
I honestly don't know if there's a right answer to that question.
My vote would be to keep that "Tool" grouped with the Translate and Summarize tools the way it was in the previous version of the Side Panel.
Users will of course get used to its new location but keeping all of those together would in my mind help to keep confusion down to a minimum.Also, in my mind, the Text Compare should go under the View menu.
Why?
Because View allows me to change my Visual filters (change my view).
I can view my RI (Reverse Interlinear).
And I should, from the same menu, be able to view the Multiple Bible Versions (Text Compare) display.Just my two cents.
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Ali Pope said:
Here’s what you can expect from our revamped toolbar:
- Simplicity at its Best: We’ve simplified the layout and removed any clutter, so you can focus on what matters most - reading your books efficiently.
- Clear Visual Cues: Each button is carefully designed to represent its function, making it easier than ever to find the tool you need.
- Streamlined Navigation: Say goodbye to endless menus and submenus! With our new toolbar, everything you need is just a click away.
As stated this is Marketing hype:
- Not simple. What clutter?
- What does reading "efficiently" mean e.g. is it efficient when a Bible opens with Insights?
- GO button does not represent its function as I was thinking about the reference box. It needs a different, more meaningful name.
- No more "endless menus and sub-menus" when the new toolbar has two levels and a More button!?
- some buttons require two clicks e.g. Interlinear and Reformat.
Comments/Impressions
- I have given it a decent Go[:)]
- I don't like Bibles opening with Insights when I want to read them efficiently and immediately!
- The "Change Book" icon should be outside the Reference Box for clarity as a toolbar item.
- The Reformat "endless submenu" has other items. The label needs to reflect that.
- the toggle button happily switches all items in the menu
- Why have "Insights" with the Info button:
Most View items have the caption "Show ..."??- You don't Go to a "Link Set" ---> suggest it be under View/Show.
- The Information "side bar" should be accessible from the top level toolbar so that it will be one click away:
- currently two clicks are required plus another to remove the bottom toolbar (where Info is located)
- I have the app toolbar "on top" and value the vertical space available to me.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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NichtnurBibellleser said:
I'm missing an option to change to my personalized highlighter palette. For now I don't find it - or will it be implemented in the future?
We show the most recently used styles, but custom highlighting palettes aren't yet available on the web app. They will work with this toolbar when it comes to the desktop app, though.
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MJ. Smith said:
No, I meant I expected to see the Highlighter palattes for creating highlights.
The Highlighting tool isn't available on the web app. When this toolbar comes to the desktop app, a button to open that tool will be right next to the list of recent highlighting styles. You'll be able to click that button to open the tool and then use any of your styles. Because the toolbar contains the most recently used style, any style you use from the Highlighting tool will later be visible in the toolbar.
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Roy said:
And I should, from the same menu, be able to view the Multiple Bible Versions (Text Compare) display.
The multiview option (only available in desktop) is planned to go in the View tab, but that's different from the Text Comparison tool.
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Dave Hooton said:
I don't like Bibles opening with Insights when I want to read them efficiently and immediately!
Insights is a separate feature. Although it comes on by default for Bibles, if you close it for a particular Bible, it won't come back.
Dave Hooton said:The Reformat "endless submenu" has other items. The label needs to reflect that.
I think you might be right about that.
Thanks for the rest of the feedback, too.
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Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Dave Hooton said:
I don't like Bibles opening with Insights when I want to read them efficiently and immediately!
Insights is a separate feature. Although it comes on by default for Bibles, if you close it for a particular Bible, it won't come back.
I think I must have tested it over refreshes of the Web App i.e. it reverted to default even though I had switched it off prior to the refresh/update. Otherwise, it does not come back.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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BUG: I enter Lk 1 into the reference box of a bible, Select Lk 1:1-80 from the drop down menu, Lk 1:1 is the entry in the reference box i.e. -80 is lost.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I have played around with the new Web app layout, and I really like it. It's much more intuitive. I like the new location of the back button and parallel resources, and I see how this new layout could be easily built upon in a way that would not appear cluttered. Well done.
Quick question: Where are my inline interlinear options? I feel like that button should be located under the view tab. Also, less important to me, I didn't see the translate button where I would expect to see it (next to info in the Go menu or in the Tools menu). I don't know why this was happening to me, but when I logged in to my account, the format went back to the old layout. When I logged out, the new layout appeared again. Perhaps these missing options are related to me having to log out of my account.
Also, I agree with others who have questioned the naming of the "Go" tab. If I have understood correctly, the Go tab's main role is to function as the primary tab that the user utilizes. Thus, selecting a name or icon that identifies it as "primary" would be more fitting than labeling it as "Go." This would also enable the primary tab to be used for buttons/features that should be prioritized but don't pertain to any kind of "Go" function. Obviously the label "Home" is already taken, but something like that is what would feel intuitive to me, as in Microsoft Word. Perhaps the use of an icon could communicate that idea. My two cents.
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Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks MJ for the clarification. Then my problems relate to the fact that I am not able to view the new layout while logged into my account. This is of no bother to me, since I don't use the web app anyway.
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The Notes filter on the web app shows a different number of notes and highlights than on the desktop.
Web shows:
while desktop has
It looks like it might be a counting error on web as the count shown doesn't match what is actually displayed (at least not in all cases)
For example, the filter shows 1 entry for Esther but the screenshot also shows 2 notes and a highlight in just a part of the book.
Am I misunderstanding how this works or is there a bug here?
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Aaron Hamilton said:
Thanks MJ for the clarification. Then my problems relate to the fact that I am not able to view the new layout while logged into my account. This is of no bother to me, since I don't use the web app anyway.
The new toolbar is not universally rolled out yet. For example, it's currently disabled for some academic users to ensure we're not disrupting professors who are midway through a class and have already prepared handouts or other training using the old toolbar. It should come to all users within a month or so.
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