That's all!
Go look at the Pre-Pub Page!
http://www.logos.com/prepub
Awesome news!
YES!!!! I had to check to make sure that it wasn't April 1 though!
Is there any chance we can see a exact layout format as present in the printed version of any books in Logos? All those title from Zondervan have nice color pictures, and well highlighted color heading and titles....
Without a payment plan, there's no way I'm ordering them, though.
Now if there was a way to transfer my Pradis licenses to Libronix (I already have most of the books offered and there is no way I am buying them again)
I am thankful that the pre-pub's price is the same as the sale's price. this make the decision very easy for me
Alain
All those title from Zondervan have nice color pictures, and well highlighted color heading and titles....
After the Christian History Magazine without-graphics ordeal, I looked very cautiously at the Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible (5 Vols..) The description DOES say it has the pictures.
There are no progress bars on the Pre-Pubs. Will they be shipping before NICOT/NT?
$2K? ... ouch.
Seriously. I just got Spurgeon 86 (Thank you!) and NICOT/NT is only three weeks out. Not counting all the "little stuff"...... I am scared to death the Zondervan 87 will ship right before Christmas. If I can't afford it at $2000 I'll probably never be able to get it.[:'(] Oh yeah, Calvin 108 is coming at us. They just can't hold that release to his 501st birthday. [^]
Seriously. I just got Spurgeon 86 (Thank you!) and NICOT/NT is only three weeks out. Not counting all the "little stuff"...... I am scared to death the Zondervan 87 will ship right before Christmas. If I can't afford it at $2000 I'll probably never be able to get it.
Yes, I'm in the same boat. However, the savings of buying the collection right now is not that significant. With being already committed to the NICOT/NT, the Zondervan titles are going to have to wait a bit I'm afraid. However, knowing that they are there is brilliant because I will be buying some of them. In fact, I would have bought some of them by now if it hadn't been for only being available on Pradis.
I wrote Zondervan on more than one occasion asking them to release their products on Logos, so now that they have done this, I am going to drop them a note of support. This is a brilliant development!
I was wrote Zondervan on more than one occasion asking them to release their products on Logos, so now that they have done this, I am going to drop them a note of support. This is a brilliant development!
I agree. I am very happy to hear the news. When I look at the Mega package, there are only 2 books I don't like and only 3 books I am neutral on. Everything else os something I would love to have. But I noticed many of the individual Pre-Pubs are priced the same as retail. The Blog said Zondervan gets to set the prices. I may have to forego the bulk.
Still I say "Thank you Zondervan & Logos!" [<:o)]
That is good news! I wonder if the collection will be offered as unbundled products? While it may be more expensive that's probably the only way I'm going to be able to afford it, unlless....
Hey! Anybody got a couple grand you can lend me? I'll pay you back at the rapture! [:D]
You can buy each of the series, but not volumes separately. For example, the NIVAC for the New Testament is $249. It doesn't appear that you could just buy the volume for Romans at this stage.
So what about the couple of Pradis/Zondervan resources I now have? Any idea if they will serve as a credit or discount of some sort to transfer them to the Logos platform?
I think you should call Zondervan and find out, you might succeed to get some kind of discount or voucher?
I expressed my emotions about the news under some other post, so here only to repeat, although it is a really BIG money for me, most of the things in the collection are just great stuff. I am glad we can also order individual series of commentaries. I have to do some calculations, what I really, really want and see how much I would pay for the individual series comparing to the one-time, privileged offer of transfer, of Zodervan to Logos.
Duh!!!! That's exactly what I meant! I should have scrolled down the page a little. I've been eyeing the NIVAC/NT for a while and debating hardcopy vs digital. Maybe the debate's over. Thanks Donovan!
I have wanted to buy the NIVAC for some time and am looking forward to adding it to my resources. Oh, my poor aching book budget!!! It has truly been assaulted this year on more than one occasion! ;-)
Well, I just checked "the musts" of the collection for me and I came with the 966 USD. Better than 2000 USD. The good thing is you can get the rest of the stuff individually latter.
Yes, finally.
Once upon I bought a package from Zondervan, Expositor's Bible Commentary, which I treasure. When they updated the resource, or shall I say interface, they wanted a hefty upgrade price. I'm still using their antiquated interface, and resolved never to buy another Zondervan electronic product again.
Now there's hope again... and integration. Thank you, Logos... and Zondervan. I'll now reconsider my decision...
This news is a great way to start the day!!!
This is great news! I'm consistently amazed with the resources that Logos continues to offer us.
Great news, though the bundle price is not an incentive, especially as I already have the OT & NT theological dictionaries and expositor's commentary in the older Zondervan format.
Listen guys, I have nearly all this stuff in Pradis and did not spend 30 percent of what Logos is asking. I wish I did not have to run both programs but to save $1400 I will.
From the Zondervan News release
“We are going to make sure we, first and foremost, work with the many thousands of Pradis customers for a smooth transition to the new search engines,” said Zondervan’s Paul Engle, Senior Vice President and Publisher of Church, Academic and Reference Resources. ”Many of these people have been customers for a dozen years and we will make sure they are eligible for a discount to these new titles upon release.”
The Expositors commentary on prepub lists a large discount but the encyclopedia shows as list price. I'm interested is seeing what Zondervan considers a discount. (I do appreciate them switching to a software platform that is not likely to be abandoned:-)
Richard, the Logos Blog "press release" says:
"The difference is, they are Zondervan’s products, so they determine the configurations, collections and prices.
Zondervan has just given us permission, as recently as last week, to allow us to combine all 87 of their volumes in one discounted collection. Their main focus is on individual titles, and we do not know how long we will be able to offer the collection at the current discount. If you have been waiting for the chance to get Zondervan’s titles for Logos Bible Software, we urge you to place your pre-order now for the complete collection. "
This arrangement is not unlike the Nelson 503 title DVD or the Concordia Electronic Theological Library - Complete Collection. Logos did not set the price and can't discount anything without permission. I don't think the term "partnership" conveys the true spirit of this agreement. (Logos is not taking over Zondervan or vice-versa.) It looks more like they are travelling companions sharing common goals on the journey.
I wish there was some way to convince Zondervan, Nelson and others that if their Mega collections were affordable to the masses, the increased user base would make up for smaller profit margins and establish their line as the most popular. John Piper is more widely read because he actuallly offers his books free.When people read them and talk to others, Piper's message gets out. People will still buy his books -- probably more than before.
Scott,
Looking at your picture I'm wondering if your real name isn't Dorian Gray. You're looking very young.
That is good news! I wonder if the collection will be offered as unbundled products? While it may be more expensive that's probably the only way I'm going to be able to afford it, unlless.... Hey! Anybody got a couple grand you can lend me? I'll pay you back at the rapture!
Hey! Anybody got a couple grand you can lend me? I'll pay you back at the rapture!
Okay James here is $5,000.00. Is that enough. By the way that is USD. [:)]
So what about the couple of Pradis/Zondervan resources I now have? Any idea if they will serve as a credit or discount of some sort to transfer them to the Logos platform? From the Zondervan News release “We are going to make sure we, first and foremost, work with the many thousands of Pradis customers for a smooth transition to the new search engines,” said Zondervan’s Paul Engle, Senior Vice President and Publisher of Church, Academic and Reference Resources. ”Many of these people have been customers for a dozen years and we will make sure they are eligible for a discount to these new titles upon release.” The Expositors commentary on prepub lists a large discount but the encyclopedia shows as list price. I'm interested is seeing what Zondervan considers a discount. (I do appreciate them switching to a software platform that is not likely to be abandoned:-)
I don't like the way Zondervan phrased their news release, especially when they mention a "discount" and appear to consider titles that change platforms to be "new titles". I already own 90% of the resources listed in Pradis format. even a 50% discount would still be more expensive than what I originally paid for these resources.
I know that this is not really up to Logos, but Zondervan should not force current owners to basically re-buy and maybe paying even more than the original price for the same resources just because they decided to discontinue support for their existent platform
I hope and pray that Zondervan will treat it like an upgrade in engine and charge a flat fee for the user's entire collection and not see it as an upgrade of each individual resources and offer discounts that make many Pradis users unhappy
Good news but reality check, very pricey. I have most of the titles in the Pradis format & the price tag of $2000 is no small money.
Ted
How is this "discount" suppose to work? If one purchase the item on Pre-pub now, how will this discount be applied later? I would have thought a clear statement was needed now! Very confusing, don't want to pay now & find i cannot get the discount later.
Ted.
I don't like the way Zondervan phrased their news release, especially when they mention a "discount" and appear to consider titles that change platforms to be "new titles". I already own 90% of the resources listed in Pradis format. even a 50% discount would still be more expensive than what I originally paid for these resources. I know that this is not really up to Logos, but Zondervan should not force current owners to basically re-buy and maybe paying even more than the original price for the same resources just because they decided to discontinue support for their existent platform I hope and pray that Zondervan will treat it like an upgrade in engine and charge a flat fee for the user's entire collection and not see it as an upgrade of each individual resources and offer discounts that make many Pradis users unhappy Alain
Agreed, I've had Pradis for about 6 months only because the titles weren't available for LOGOS. I've used over a dozen bible study programs over the last 20 years and have had to buy some books a few times due to program upgrades or programs being abandoned:-{ All of the books I've bought for Logos/LLS in the last 15 years still work with the current software (including some they are no longer licensed to sell). I appreciate their stated commitment that we won't need to buy books more than once.
Ted,
I do not see an advantage in signing up for the pre-pub now for most of the resources since, the it is the same as the "sale" price.
I suspect that Zondervan will handle the discount itself since Logos was not involved in the purchase of Pradis product and would have a hard time determining previous ownership (they do not require owners to register software and as far as I know they do not have a tracking system)
I will wait until Zondervan clarifies the "discount policy"
I wrote Zondervan using the email provided in the news release asking them to clarify their policy and consider the fact that none of the current owners of Pradis software want to repurchase the same resources.
I encourage all current owners of Pradis products to write to Zondervan and urge them to do right by us.
"Zondervan is going to make sure we work with the Pradis customers for a smooth transition to other search engines. Current Pradis customers will be eligible for a discount directly from Zondervan when new titles become available. The discount details will be announced in Zondervan’s Digital Resources e-newsletter "
I encourage all current owners of Pradis products to write to Zondervan and urge them to do right by us. Alain
You have contact info for that Alain? I absolutely hate trying to navigate the Zondervan site.
Hi Daniel,
This is where I went and filled out their "ticket".
http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Company/ContactUs.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan
Ted, I do not see an advantage in signing up for the pre-pub now for most of the resources since, the it is the same as the "sale" price. I suspect that Zondervan will handle the discount itself since Logos was not involved in the purchase of Pradis product and would have a hard time determining previous ownership (they do not require owners to register software and as far as I know they do not have a tracking system) I will wait until Zondervan clarifies the "discount policy" I wrote Zondervan using the email provided in the news release asking them to clarify their policy and consider the fact that none of the current owners of Pradis software want to repurchase the same resources. I encourage all current owners of Pradis products to write to Zondervan and urge them to do right by us. Alain
Thanks Alain, have you got Zondervan's email address?
This is what I used
News Release
Contact: Jason Vines(616) 698-3598jason.vines@zondervan.com
This is what I used News Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Jason Vines(616) 698-3598jason.vines@zondervan.com
Thanks again, i will drop them a line.
And you, George, judging by your picture, are looking very old...
What an awesome news to start my day!
I am wondering, since I do own the Pradis Scholar, will there be any free upgrade into Logos platform? I wish they can do something about it...
Hi Daniel, This is where I went and filled out their "ticket". http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en-US/Company/ContactUs.htm?QueryStringSite=Zondervan
Thank you Joan! Your hard work made it simple for me! PS to others: after you click "submit", you are NOT submitted. They take you to articles that will "hopefully" answer your question. If they don't, you are asked to "FINISH SUBMITTING QUESTION". I am sure they think this is reasonable, but yet another reason why I have an aversion to going to their website. I almost didn't catch that "finish submitting' button.
That's what happens when you spend 40 yrs in the desert. [;)]
Just used that, too. Merci, Alain.
Here we go again. For years all I've heard is give us more and more and more. Then when they make it available the whining begins. Give it to us for less and less and less. Every Christmas the same sickening demand for everything to be practically given away by Logos.
Which brings up another point that comes up frequently - the demand for individual titles instead of collections. Many of these individual titles would never make it to electronic publication on their own but at least when they are part of a collection they are available. And look how may of these are now being broken up as Logos responds to our requests.
Don't forget, all these companies are a business. They are there to earn a profit. They are not there to be our private Santa Claus.
Truly in the spirit of Lucy Van Pelt . . .
"I wrote Zondervan on more than one occasion asking them to release their products on Logos, so now that they have done this, I am going to drop them a note of support. This is a brilliant development!"
Yes!! Let's all do this instead of what is being proposed elsewhere in this thread to write to them asking for more and more price concessions.
While I too appreciate a good deal, the attitude of some (not all) on these forums is frankly sickening.. You'd thing some of these guys were living in poverty. And I'm not referring to those making comment about what they wish or where they stand financially, but to those who think it's there God-given entitlement to more and more for less and less.
Here is a response I got from a representative at Zondervan. If this has already been posted, my apologies.
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Dear Dan,Thank you for contacting Zondervan.Zondervan is going to make sure we work with the Pradis customers for a smoothtransition to other search engines. Current Pradis customers will be eligiblefor a discount directly from Zondervan when new titles become available. Thediscount details will be announced in Zondervan’s Digital Resourcese-newsletter (www.Zondervan.com/newsletters).Thank youCarrieZondervan Customer Care
btw, I have thanked them personally for jumping on board with Logos. AND, I probably do have a poverty mentality. I am of Scottish origin.
"Other search engines" may mean more than Logos.
Here we go again. For years all I've heard is give us more and more and more. Then when they make it available the whining begins. Give it to us for less and less and less. Every Christmas the same sickening demand for everything to be practically given away by Logos. Which brings up another point that comes up frequently - the demand for individual titles instead of collections. Many of these individual titles would never make it to electronic publication on their own but at least when they are part of a collection they are available. And look how may of these are now being broken up as Logos responds to our requests. Don't forget, all these companies are a business. They are there to earn a profit. They are not there to be our private Santa Claus.
Hi Alex,
Are you not over reacting a bit? $2000 is no small money if you already have the majority of the titles in the hard back format & in the pradis format. Zondervan say they would offer their customers who have the pradis format a discount. Should one not enquire about this & find out how it will work? Zondervan feel the need to make the statement, you seem to be objecting to Zondervan's kind consideration?
speaking of attitude... shouldn't you look closer to home?
We all appreciate the fact that Zondervan is now available in Logos format.
However, current Pradis owners have legitimate concerns about the enduring value of their collections. the issue is not with Logos but with Zondervan as they are abandoning their platform (Pradis) which might leave current customers who have significantly invested in their electronic resources hung out to dry.
it is not about asking for an handout or getting something for less than its value.
current Pradis owners have paid good money to get their resources, Zondervan (not the users) has decided to abandon the platform, it is not unreasonable for their customer to expect that they should be migrated to the new platform without facing prohibitive cost (i.e. buying again the same resources possibly paying more than the original price).
Zondervan appears to agree that something should be done, it is just not clear what exactly they plan to do. being proactive and make sure that they understand our concerns as paying customers is the proper course of action ... even if some who are not parties in the transaction feel that it is their obligation to lecture the rest of us.
I read that and my interpretation is certainly not just Logos. I know some Zondervan products are already licensed for the Mac under another programme. It wouldn't surprise me if now that Zondervan is abandoning their Windows software that they would license books to more than just Logos.
FAQ here:
http://zondervan.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zondervan.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_search_text=logos
Interesting points: Not all Pradis resources will be in Logos. New Logos titles will come as Zondervan sees fit. Accordance products will still be available.
Okay James here is $5,000.00. Is that enough. By the way that is USD.
Lynden,
Thanks! And you should know better than to ask a preacher if any amount of money is enough! [;)]
FAQ here: http://zondervan.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zondervan.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_search_text=logos Interesting points: Not all Pradis resources will be in Logos. New Logos titles will come as Zondervan sees fit. Accordance products will still be available.
Todd, thanks for the link. Here is the 'question' posed:
Will the same Zondervan titles that were sold in the Pradis format all be available in the Logos and other formats?
note that while Logos is specifically mentioned, "other formats" is included. You would think any title that is in one format would be in others, but perhaps they are leaving wiggle room in case not all products get transferred to format XYZ. That is not to say Logos will have all of them, or that Logos will be shortchanged compared to others. More telling however, is their answer:
No,we will not be selling the same library collections or all of the sametitles. A number of previous titles will be carried over into the Logosformat. But we will include new titles that never appeared in Pradissuch as The Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible and the Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary: Old Testament.Other notable releases include resources by Gordon Fee, Tremper LongmanIII, Scot McKnight, William Mounce, and others. A complete listing ofthe Zondervan titles coming to Logos Bible Software, as well as a linkto pre-order, can be found at http://www.logos.com/zondervan.
First, note that there is ambiguity about whether old resources will appear in new formats. There may be some omissions. What they are in anybody's guess, but my assumption is that they would be obsolete works. Or, perhaps, they foresee they will not be able to guarantee (because of any number of circumstances) that all works will be able to be transferred.
Second, note that some works will be available in new formats like Logos (technically Libronix) that were not available in Pradis. Cool. (Although the Illustrated Bible Backgrounds IS . . . but only the NT). This seems to be the focal point of any perceived differences in titles between the platforms. Ie, raither than taking away titles, they will add new ones (but that is not really what that question asks)
Third, looking over all the proposed Logos titles, I see no omissions. Anything I knew that was available in Pradis will be in Logos. There might be an exception here or there (Study Bible? I don't know), but all MAJOR sets and works, plus new ones, will be available. Am I overlooking a significant one?
