Zondervan on Logos!!!!!

Is there any chance we can see a exact layout format as present in the printed version of any books in Logos?  All those title from Zondervan have nice color pictures, and well highlighted color heading and titles....

Now if there was a way to transfer my Pradis licenses to Libronix (I already have most of the books offered and there is no way I am buying them again)

I am thankful that the pre-pub's price is the same as the sale's price. this make the decision very easy for me

Alain

That is good news! I wonder if the collection will be offered as unbundled products? While it may be more expensive that's probably the only way I'm going to be able to afford it, unlless....

Hey! Anybody got a couple grand you can lend me? I'll pay you back at the rapture!  [:D]

So what about the couple of Pradis/Zondervan resources I now have?  Any idea if they will serve as a credit or discount of some sort to transfer them to the Logos platform?

Donovan R. Palmer said:

You can buy each of the series, but not volumes separately. For example, the NIVAC for the New Testament is $249. It doesn't appear that you could just buy the volume for Romans at this stage.

Duh!!!! That's exactly what I meant! I should have scrolled down the page a little. I've been eyeing the NIVAC/NT for a while and debating hardcopy vs digital. Maybe the debate's over. Thanks Donovan!

Donovan R. Palmer said:

I have wanted to buy the NIVAC for some time and am looking forward to adding it to my resources. Oh, my poor aching book budget!!! It has truly been assaulted this year on more than one occasion! ;-)

Well, I just checked "the musts" of the collection for me and I came with the 966 USD. Better than 2000 USD. The good thing is you can get the rest of the stuff individually latter.

This news is a great way to start the day!!!

Great news, though the bundle price is not an incentive, especially as I already have the OT & NT theological dictionaries and expositor's commentary in the older Zondervan format.

Randy Hartman said:

So what about the couple of Pradis/Zondervan resources I now have?  Any idea if they will serve as a credit or discount of some sort to transfer them to the Logos platform?

From the Zondervan News release

“We are going to make sure we, first and foremost, work with the many thousands of Pradis customers for a smooth transition to the new search engines,” said Zondervan’s Paul Engle, Senior Vice President and Publisher of Church, Academic and Reference Resources. ”Many of these people have been customers for a dozen years and we will make sure they are eligible for a discount to these new titles upon release.”

The Expositors commentary on prepub lists a large discount but the encyclopedia shows as list price.  I'm interested is seeing what Zondervan considers a discount.  (I do appreciate them switching to a software platform that is not likely to be abandoned:-)

Scott K said:

Now there's hope again... and integration.   Thank you, Logos... and Zondervan.  I'll now reconsider my decision...  

Scott,

Looking at your picture I'm wondering if your real name isn't Dorian Gray.  You're looking very young.

MikeWaterhouse said:

Randy Hartman said:

So what about the couple of Pradis/Zondervan resources I now have?  Any idea if they will serve as a credit or discount of some sort to transfer them to the Logos platform?

From the Zondervan News release

“We are going to make sure we, first and foremost, work with the many thousands of Pradis customers for a smooth transition to the new search engines,” said Zondervan’s Paul Engle, Senior Vice President and Publisher of Church, Academic and Reference Resources. ”Many of these people have been customers for a dozen years and we will make sure they are eligible for a discount to these new titles upon release.”

 

The Expositors commentary on prepub lists a large discount but the encyclopedia shows as list price.  I'm interested is seeing what Zondervan considers a discount.  (I do appreciate them switching to a software platform that is not likely to be abandoned:-)

I don't like the way Zondervan phrased their  news release, especially when they mention a "discount" and appear to consider titles that change platforms to be "new titles". I already own 90% of the resources listed in Pradis format. even a  50% discount would still be more expensive than what I originally paid for these resources.

I know that this is not really up to Logos, but Zondervan should not force current owners to basically re-buy and maybe paying even more than the original price for the same resources just because they decided to discontinue support for their existent platform

I hope and pray that Zondervan will treat it like an upgrade in engine and charge a flat fee for the user's entire collection and not see it as an upgrade of each individual  resources and offer discounts that make many Pradis users unhappy

Alain

Ted,

I do not see an advantage in signing up for the pre-pub now for most of the resources since, the it is the same as the "sale" price.

I suspect that Zondervan will handle the discount itself since Logos was not involved in the purchase of Pradis product and would have a hard time determining previous ownership (they do not require owners to register software and as far as I know they do not have a tracking system)

I will wait until Zondervan clarifies the "discount policy"

I wrote Zondervan using the email provided in the news release asking them to clarify their policy and consider the fact that none of the current owners of Pradis software want to repurchase the same resources.

I encourage all current owners of Pradis products to write to Zondervan and urge them to do right by us.

Alain

What an awesome news to start my day!

I am wondering, since I do own the Pradis Scholar, will there be any free upgrade into Logos platform? I wish they can do something about it...

Randy Hartman said:

And you, George, judging by your picture, are looking very old...

That's what happens when you spend 40 yrs in the desert.  [;)]

Here we go again.  For years all I've heard is give us more and more and more.  Then when they make it available the whining begins.  Give it to us for less and less and less.  Every Christmas the same sickening demand for everything to be practically given away by Logos.

Which brings up another point that comes up frequently - the demand for individual titles instead of collections.  Many of these individual titles would never make it to electronic publication on  their own but at least when they are part of a collection they are available.  And look how may of these are now being broken up as Logos responds to our requests.  

Don't forget, all these companies are a business.  They are there to earn a profit.  They are not there to be our private Santa Claus.

"I wrote Zondervan on more than one occasion asking them to release their products on Logos, so now that they have done this, I am going to drop them a note of support. This is a brilliant development!"

Yes!! Let's all do this instead of what is being proposed elsewhere in this thread to write to them asking for more and more price concessions.

While I too appreciate a good deal, the attitude of some (not all) on these forums is frankly sickening.. You'd thing some of these guys were living in poverty.   And I'm not referring to those making comment about what they wish or where they stand financially, but to those who think it's there God-given entitlement to more and more for less and less.

"Other search engines" may mean more than Logos. 

Alex Scott said:

 

While I too appreciate a good deal, the attitude of some (not all) on these forums is frankly sickening.. You'd thing some of these guys were living in poverty.   And I'm not referring to those making comment about what they wish or where they stand financially, but to those who think it's there God-given entitlement to more and more for less and less.

speaking of attitude... shouldn't you look closer to home?

We all appreciate the fact that Zondervan is now available in Logos format.

However, current Pradis owners have legitimate concerns about the enduring value of their collections. the issue is not with Logos but with Zondervan as they are abandoning their platform (Pradis) which might leave current customers who have significantly invested in their electronic resources hung out to dry.

it is not about asking for an handout or getting something for less than its value.

current Pradis owners have paid good money to get their resources, Zondervan (not the users) has decided to abandon the platform, it is not unreasonable for their customer to expect that they should be migrated to the new platform without facing prohibitive cost (i.e. buying again the same resources possibly paying more than the original price).

Zondervan appears to agree that something should be done, it is just not clear what exactly they plan to do. being proactive and make sure that they understand our concerns as paying customers is the proper course of action ... even if some who are not parties in the transaction feel that it is their obligation to lecture the rest of us.

Alain

FAQ here:

http://zondervan.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/zondervan.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_search_text=logos

Interesting points: Not all Pradis resources will be in Logos. New Logos titles will come as Zondervan sees fit.  Accordance products will still be available.