AI smart search

James Johnson
James Johnson Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

Ok so the AI don't actually look for what I am asking, but pulls up anything with the key words. DO I still have to write whole sentences in quotations ? I thought it would be smart enough to see I was asking a question. All it did was pull the key words I used in the search. I can do this without AI .

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  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭

    You did not run that search as a smart search. In the upper right corner, one can see that you performed a precise search. If you click on "Precise", you can change the search to a smart search.

  • James Johnson
    James Johnson Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

    Ahhh Thank you so much brother! You have saved me a huge headache!

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited December 4

    Logos Smart Search (AI) (even by choosing All search tab)

    • "Logos fell short, which I must say, leaves me a little bit disappointed."

    QUESTION in Logos:

    Was Charles Spurgeon's position on the millennium in Revelation, premillennialism, postmillennialism, or amillennialism?

    Answer:

    Logos Synopsis

    The provided articles do not contain specific information about Charles Spurgeon's position on the millennium in Revelation. The articles discuss various millennial views, including premillennialism, postmillennialism, and amillennialism123, but they do not mention Spurgeon's personal stance. One article describes a historical shift from postmillennialism to premillennialism in American Protestantism during the 19th century4, but it does not reference Spurgeon. Without specific information about Spurgeon's views in the given articles, it's not possible to accurately answer the query about his position on the millennium.1Neil Wilson and Linda Taylor, Tyndale Handbook of Bible Charts & Maps, The Tyndale Reference Library (Tyndale House Publishers, 2001), 584–585.2Sinclair B. Ferguson and J.I. Packer, in New Dictionary of Theology (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), 428.3R. J. Bauckham, “Millennium,” in New Dictionary of Theology: Historical and Systematic, ed. Martin Davie et al. (London; Downers Grove, IL: Inter-Varsity Press; InterVarsity Press, 2016), 571.4Gary Laderman and Luis Leon, Religion and American Cultures: Tradition, Diversity, and Popular Expression [4 Volumes] (New York, NY: ABC-CLIO, 2015), 358.

    Same question in GROK from X.com (answer including 15 online sources)

    You can find Charles Spurgeon's statements regarding his premillennial views in his sermon titled "Things to Come" based on 1 Corinthians 3:22, which was delivered on March 1st, 1863, and published in the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit series, Volume 9, Sermon #503. Here, Spurgeon says:

    "I myself believe that King Jesus will reign personally on earth during the millennium, and that this will be the outcome of the present mission of the church."

    Additionally, in his sermon on Romans 8:30, titled "The Believer's Present Tense," which was delivered on January 29th, 1865, and can be found in The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Volume 11, Sermon #622, Spurgeon expresses:

    "If I read the word aright, and it is honest to admit that there is much room for difference of opinion here, the day will come, when the Lord Jesus will descend from heaven with a shout, with the trump of the archangel and the voice of God. Some think that this descent of the Lord will be post-millennial — that is, after the thousand years of his reign. I cannot think so. I conceive that the advent will be pre-millennial; that he will come first; and then will come the millennium as the result of his personal reign upon earth."

    These sermons should be available in his collected works or in various editions of the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit series.

    Logos Smart search. (All search)

    Was Charles Spurgeon a post tribulation believer?

    Answer, Logos Smart search:

    Based on the provided articles, there is no information specifically addressing whether Charles Spurgeon was a post-tribulation believer. 

    Answer, GROK by X.com (including also 15 online sources)

    Yes, Charles Spurgeon was considered a post-tribulation believer. His eschatological views align more closely with historic premillennialism, which includes the belief that the church will go through the tribulation before the return of Christ. This position is inferred from his sermons and writings where he did not expect an escape from tribulation for believers before Christ's second coming:

    In his sermon on John 16:33, titled "The World Subject to Tribulation," Spurgeon mentions the tribulation believers will face, stating:

    “In the world ye shall have tribulation.” Our Saviour never promised that we should have peace in the world; in fact, he told us that “in the world we should have tribulation.”

    Additionally, while Spurgeon did not focus extensively on eschatology, his comments reflect a position where tribulation is seen as part of the Christian experience before Christ's return. This view contrasts with pre-tribulation rapture beliefs, where believers are expected to be taken up before the tribulation begins. While he did not explicitly lay out a detailed eschatological system, the implications from his sermons suggest he held to the church experiencing tribulation before the second coming, consistent with a post-tribulation view within premillennialism.

    CONCLUSION:

    In my exploration of AI search tools, I've found that while Logos Smart Search AI has its strengths, it falls short when compared to GROK. Even with the 'All search' tab, Logos often doesn't match GROK's ability to provide real-time, contextually rich answers. GROK's integration with X gives it an edge in delivering up-to-date, conversationally engaging responses, making it a more dynamic tool for a wide array of queries.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited December 4

    My experience when searching for simple answers like:

    Was Charles Spurgeon a post-tribulation believer? Logos answers with: "There is no information."

    Did Charles Spurgeon hold a pre-, post, or amillennial view? Logos answers again: "There is no information."

    I'm using the "All search" option. "Logos Smart Search fell short, which I must say, leaves me a little bit disappointed."

    I have more success with other AI apps, including sources to check the answers.

    {MAX subscription, Logos Diamond package incl. Academic Pro and a lot more.}

    Maybe I'm doing something wrong, which I don't think so.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,440

    The AI assisted search is not a chat bot to answer random questions; it is an algorithm to improve the results of a search - emphasis on search.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I appreciate your view, but please understand that my question about Charles Spurgeon's views was not random. It was meant to assess how well Logos Smart Search can handle theological queries, which is central to its purpose.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    @MJ Smith;

    I'd like to clarify that my question regarding Charles Spurgeon's eschatological views was indeed relevant to the search functionality of the Logos Smart Search tool.

    The query was not random but rather aimed at testing the depth and accuracy of the search engine in providing information on historical theological positions, which is directly related to the content and resources that Logos is designed to explore. Such questions are pertinent for users like me who rely on Logos for detailed biblical and theological research.

    The expectation is that a tool with "Smart Search" capabilities would be able to delve into its extensive database to provide answers or at least point to where such information might be found, even if not directly answering the question. This would enhance the user's ability to conduct thorough research on specific topics within its scope, like the eschatological views of prominent theologians.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Stephen Otto
    Stephen Otto Member Posts: 25 ✭✭

    In my experience, the AI has been doing quite well with fairly sophisticated and somewhat obscure theological queries. I'm pretty much always impressed, and it is almost always helpful.

  • Jack Caviness
    Jack Caviness MVP Posts: 13,514

    I'd like to clarify that my question regarding Charles Spurgeon's eschatological views was indeed relevant to the search functionality of the Logos Smart Search tool.

    The query was not random but rather aimed at testing the depth and accuracy of the search engine in providing information on historical theological positions, which is directly related to the content and resources that Logos is designed to explore. Such questions are pertinent for users like me who rely on Logos for detailed biblical and theological research.

    Did Spurgeon ever comment on his position on the Rapture? Don't recall ever seeing a comment on the subject. Smart Search should not find an answer to a question about someone's position on a subject he never discussed.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭

    I share your experience that the AI handles complex theological questions impressively at times. However, I've had to lower my expectations quite a bit to avoid disappointments, as it's still developing.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.

  • Mozzie
    Mozzie Member Posts: 43 ✭✭

    I thought the AI search results from 'Smart All' and 'Smart Books' on this question was interesting. (Highlight added)

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭
    edited December 4

    I do not expect Logos AI to ever outperform general chat bots in providing general information. While Logos AI does do this to some extent, its primary purpose is to identify pertinent resources that relate to your query. It does this far better than any general chatbot for obvious reasons (it's pulling straight from your library). The success of Logos AI should not be measured by how well it can answer general (even theological) questions, but rather by how well it directs you to the most relevant resources you have access to. For this reason, utilizing other chat bots will continue to be useful, even if Logos AI thrives. There's a place for both.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,440

    I apologize. My answer was written in a manner that you misunderstood, partially because I literally cannot read dark mode screenshots. Your question read as if you expected it to behave like/you were comparing the results against a chatbot. I was trying to explain why that was not a realistic comparison.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Aaron Hamilton
    Aaron Hamilton Member Posts: 915 ✭✭✭

    You say Logos AI fell short in answering the question. I don't want to disagree with that statement, but I would like to define my view of falling short (which you may or may not share). Falling short to me would be failing to identify a resource that addresses your question. This is where Logos AI can improve. I am confident that it could do a better job locating relevant resources. That said, you also pointed to what in my view is a strength of Logos AI. It does not pull from millions of sources to make educated guesses. I love that Logos AI is willing to say "I don't know". I would obviously prefer, however, for it to only say that when there are genuinely no resources on the topic. Problem is, I can't really tell when Logos AI is letting me down or when there's just not enough information on the topic from available resources to provide a good answer.

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭

    Open-ended questions seem to work a bit better.

  • Renold Burke
    Renold Burke Member Posts: 90 ✭✭
    edited December 5



    @Aaron Hamilton

    I'm not in love with Logos AI(yet). There are much better options out there, but they lack Logos integration.

    When I mentioned that Logos AI "fell short," I was indicating that it didn't meet the expectation of providing an answer or even pointing to a resource that could address the query. While I appreciate the AI's honesty in admitting when it doesn't know something, my concern was more about its ability to find and utilize existing resources effectively. Essentially, "falling short" in this context means not leveraging the breadth of its database to provide at least some direction or insight on the topic, even if a comprehensive answer isn't available.

    The lack of Logos integration is a drawback, but still, these other AIs delve into and reply with answers including sources, which adds to their appeal.

    Another user mentioned that open-ended questions seem to work a bit better with Logos AI, which is a positive note, but I still didn't see what I learned from GROK. It was indeed helpful because Logos AI didn't respond with a no, which encourages further engagement.

    I need to know if Logos is letting me down, that's why I compare it with my Paid AI Grok, which often provides different insights or locates resources more effectively. It's all about ensuring we're getting the best from our tools in a friendly, constructive way. Thank you for pointing out this nuance with open-ended questions; it's definitely something to keep in mind for better interaction with Logos AI.

    Titles impress people, obedience impresses God.