Not satisfied with the new toolbar - hard to find Propositional Outlines and Discourse features

Mark Henzler
Mark Henzler Member Posts: 20 ✭✭

Not sure why Chat sent me to Community - I don't want to talk to users, I want to talk to Logos.

The toolbar has been changed making it harder to find what used to be easy.

There was a 3 dot triangle symbol to get to the Propositional Outline. Now you have to stop, stop thinking about Propositional Outlines, and somehow remember to find and Click on Formatting. Wait, you're not done. Now you also have to find and Click on Reformat. That process is much more interruptive when you are doing Bible study than clicking on 3 dots

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  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    I also can't find a simple way to change the magnification.

    I also can't find where to go for Parallel Resources

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    I also can't find a single click to see the reverse interlinear

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,440

    try view > zoom on the right

    try change book book-cover icon just to the left of the navigation box

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,440

    There is not one. Logos has heard the complaints and will provide a solution.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Andrew Batishko
    Andrew Batishko Member, Administrator, Community Manager, Logos Employee Posts: 5,395

    I also can't find…

    This may be a useful page when you find yourself unable to find where something from the old toolbar ended up:

    https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar

    Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer

  • Jan Krohn
    Jan Krohn Member Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭

    Since the old toolbar is obviously still there (for non subscribers for example), how about making it optional for subscribers? People might not want to get used to change, especially if they used the old navigation for decades - even if the new navigation is much better.

  • Frank Sauer
    Frank Sauer Member Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭

    I have been asking consistently about this and was just recently informed that it is likely in the future (due to the cost of maintaining both) that the Classic Toolbar will be deprecated and the Dynamic will be forced on everyone, including non-subscribers who don't want it….

    My personal frustration is that unless there is drastic improvement, I have to deal with inefficient use and/or change my layouts for cost savings, but they want me to subscribe for two years for Feature Parity for a Feature I already own…. If you are going to force this toolbar on me for cost savings, at least don't force me to pay for Feature Parity (at a minimum let Android Users who already own it swap the iOS license for the Android - which I would gladly do)

    I have no problem paying for Bible Study Builder and possibly Features that are to come, but I do have a problem with being charged for a Feature I already paid for - if paying for Feature Parity was the consistent model for the past two decades that would be one thing - but iOS users got the Parity included with their purchase… Us Android users…. Pay up, because we have to make our Subscription numbers look good LOL

    Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14

  • cshover8669
    cshover8669 Member Posts: 376 ✭✭✭

    I am not ready to give up on the new toolbar yet, but I agree. I have literally spent hours hunting for something, propositional outlines being one of the items I was looking for.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,639

    You might find the post from @Andrew Batishko above helpful

    This may be a useful page when you find yourself unable to find where something from the old toolbar ended up:

    https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar

  • 1Cor10 31
    1Cor10 31 Member Posts: 752 ✭✭

    Thank you MJ. I couldn't really understand your second suggestion, but this link (https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/29439681440525-Where-do-I-find-on-the-dynamic-toolbar#Interlinears ) given by Andrew and Graham was super helpful.

    Thank you also for showing me how to access the interlinear.

    I believe in a Win-Win-Win God.

  • Scot Wright
    Scot Wright Member Posts: 167 ✭✭

    I agree with others about the inefficiency of the dynamic tool bar. At first, I thought it was great but as I started studying I just could not find what I needed and in some cases it was hard to figure out the rational for putting a certain feature under a particular category. I do hope they streamline this in some way that is more helpful.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,440

    @1Cor10 31

     couldn't really understand your second suggestion

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."