Is Logos becoming "bloated".....
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Keep in mind, I like Logos, I use it regularly, I'm a fan. And I'm not complaining… just wondering…
I am noticing that Logos is taking longer to load and I am wondering if it is because of all the "helps" that's being programmed into Logos. For example, Sermon Builder (SB), Workflows (WF), Passage Guide (PG), Bible Books Explorer (BBE), Bible Browser (BW), Bible Study Builder (BSB), Inductive Bible Study (IBS), Sermon Starter Guide (SSG), Bible Word Study (BWS).. to name some of them.
I realize that each one of them does something a bit different than the others… but by having all these plus the others, in the program… doesn't that at to the latency of the program loading and working?
And to tell the truth, couldn't some of them be combined and thus become more efficient themselves and to the whole of the program?
Logos is a great program… but it definitely is becoming slower to load… least on my computer, which is pretty fast…
What if some of these "functions" or "features" could be combined into one and still accomplish what the individual "function" or "feature" accomplished? I am thinking I would like to see some of these "functions" or "features" given more attention as to improving them, making them better, than to adding more "functions" or "features".
For example…. combine features in WF with SB and add some enhancements such as linking, better formatting and such… call it Sermon Builder or Workflows… name wouldn't matter.
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Interesting. I'm a new user, so I don't know how long it used to take to load. On my M2 MacBook Air it takes 8 seconds to load, exactly the same amount of time as Photoshop. On the other hand, Accordance only takes 2 seconds to load.
Since I usually launch it once a day and keep it running all day, the load time really doesn't bother me personally. But I can understand that it might be annoying if you launched it several times a day.1 -
In general, I expect your thoughts would receive much support. In fact, simplifying and consolidating has explicitly been stated is one of the goals going forward. I'm thinking Factbook. I see Factbook growing in significance while other features wane in significance. I'm not entirely sure about workflows, however. Imo it cannot be combined with sermon builder, because not everyone using workflows is preparing a sermon. They serve different audiences and purposes (yes, overlapping, but not entirely).
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Seems perceptably slower … an M1 struggles a bit to load a right-click menu. Used to be an instant. I mentioned before, we're headed for L4-land.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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And if it takes that long to load, it may never land.
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I have a fully stocked Logos with all the bells and whistles. It takes about 7 seconds on startup. I don't find that to be a long time. The only lag I notice once and a great while is when exporting a sermon to Power Point. I have responsibly new equipment and run an SSD.
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I wonder how difficult it would be to make a "simplified" version of Logos that would use the same files on your hard drive as the main program, and it has no bells or whistles - simply for reading, maybe some simple highlighting and simple searches, maybe a few other things that don't require much in the way of resources.
Might help out those with older computers who can't afford to upgrade. Or those who just want a simple experience.
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I see it more as a common state in software where as functions evolve some are still "old style" and some "new style." I suspect that Factbook will completely replace the Guides as we know them. The standalone/interactive functions will slowly be standardized into a more generic form to which new features can more easily be added. Workflows are not candidates for merging into editors but they are ripe for a more generic redesign.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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FL sort of had that on the Mac M1/M2 … the mobile ran on the desktop. But they had the same names, so deleting one's data/resources, deleted the other's data/resources.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I wouldn't mind being able to turn off Logos features, like the stuff for sermons, when I don't use them. To ease the burden of running parts of the program I'm not gonna use until I'm ready to use them. Instead of a "slimmed Logos".
I bought all the features because they came bundled with feature sets I wanted. I don't always or sometimes ever use some of them, and I'm thinking they're probably like a plug-in that is turned on or off based on the account's license. So it shouldn't be too hard to do.
But then again, Logos requires a reboot to switch themes, so who knows.0 -
One operation I've found takes a few seconds is moving a bunch of notes to a folder, or from one folder to another. But I figure that's probably the time it takes to move the notes in Logos's cloud copy.
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The Windows Setup has gotten bigger and my Logos has become more bloated with books and datasets.
Excluding Interactives, there are 9 Tools (from the menu) that I don't use; two of which are relatively new (before Subscription). I don't use Workflows, use only 2/7 Guides, and use only 7/14 of the Documents under New. So I would be howled down if I suggested which features could reduce the bloat.
But the load time is not significant because I restart only when required, and only when I'm ready. SSD's and faster CPU's together with a faster modem (recent) take care of the speed despite any "bloat".
My main concern is that Bible Study Builder is way short of its Lego potential as it cannot replace Clippings for my Bible Study.
Dave
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I suspect that any noticeable delays are not from the performance of locally executing code … but the amount of time the program takes to phone home. Try running it offline and see if it runs any faster …
FWIW version 36.1 still seems about the same to me.
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Already offline.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I run an i5 with a SSD and normal start-up is under 10 seconds (typically between 5 and 8 seconds) - I do notice a longer start-up time when there are downloads or the "Preparing Library" sequence is initiated.
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I am similar to Dave in terms of the tools and features I use, but my definition is bloatware is unrelated to my personal use. To me bloatware has features that have no common usecase for any of its intended audiences. I will admit that I divide the Logos functions into those I see as useful for Bible study and those I see as useful in making users feel like they've engaged in Bible study.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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There is: just use the mobile app. Or the web app.
And: why bother loading times…yes, it is a little longer now, but is it a real problem? As far as I can remember: over the many years now Logos alters between faster and slower and faster and slower again. And also these forum comments were altering between compliments and complaints for its speed. So, I do not bother..1 -
Good point about the web app.
I think we're all looking for Logos to have all the features we use, and none of the others. Which, of course, is different for everyone.0
