Why I can no longer recommend Logos Bible Software.
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Depends on your perspective. It only takes $49 to get the Accordance Stsrter software which includes all features.
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My perspective is that I don't think Accordance will be around in 5 years, so it's a big risk to invest any money in an Accordance library.
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I understand that. Time will tell.
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I hope (and pray) I'm wrong.
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Agreed :-)
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"I am still holding out hope that Logos may reconsider at some point in the future and offer the option to purchase a permanent license (without the AI features of course), or at least continue to offer LFL and include new customers." This is my hope. It is hard to recommend Logos without this…
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Sometimes I laugh that I should get out the popcorn reaction video. I had L10 and a full feature set before engaging with a subscription. In my circumstance I find value in the subscription. I want to see what I have after two-years of the subscription model and make an assessment. If the cost of the subscription were to double I highly doubt I would continue; I would fall back to L10+, whatever that looks like. I am hard pressed to recommend to anyone starting out that the subscription is a full worthy investment considering all of the uncertainties. Even expressed here by people that seem to be in the know, there are uncertainties and reservations. Some people have so much invested that they are taking a short watch and see stance, myself included. I would like to see my software suite continue to advance but I can already tell that I will not be a power user of AI functionality although I see some level of usefulness. I can ride out the two years before my retirement income makes the decision more pressing. Truly there has been a lot of discussion and the Faithlife company has made their decisions. We all hope that these continued discussions may lead to some bending by Faithlife and a hybrid choice an option with some permanent purchases of useful updated and new functions added. I frankly like the direction of the Factbook and Insights and how much you can dig in with information all in one place. It is hard to imagine any more features that I would find useful… frankly there are features I did not navigate prior, but the factbook expansion has helped.
I get it that there is a vision to bring Logos into everyday Christian study on a broader scale. Perhaps a subscription model will open this up but clearly this direction is not for everybody.2 -
Any decision made will be good for some but not for others. There is always a compromise. Is there a win-win solution? Is a hybrid model possible and cost-effective? Only the developers can answer that, and I hope those who have submitted questions will soon get answers. Everyone deserves a response to their question, good or bad.
While I can understand some of the frustrations expressed, every company has to think of keeping themselves afloat and profitable. Some folks have spoken of the possible demise of Accordance, but I hope they will continue to be a profitable business. Consumers need choice and competition makes everyone better.
I would suspect all those posting here want Logos to remain in business so we can continue to enjoy using their product. Yes, many of us did purchase Logos years ago and many of us have spent thousands of dollars buying upgrades and books over the years. None of us want to lose that, and Logos has assured us that we will continue to have access to whatever we purchase whether or not we subscribe.
I'm not going to gripe about this and that as, for me, it is a privilege to use Logos daily for my personal study, group studies, counseling, devotions, research, and so much more. There are plenty of free study tools but the free Logos app is still quite good, and there is also Accordance. Sure, there are many things Logos can improve upon, but I feel I'm getting good value for my investment.
I still remember the time I had to go to the library, searching through shelves, and piling books on the table that may have some useful info. Several hours later I would still be flipping pages, but eventually I'll be copying several of the pages that may be of interest then going home to transcribe my notes on my computer. Now I can do the same in Logos in just a few seconds, and I can use the Favorite's tool to save all my references. It continues to amaze me that I have thousands of books instantly available to me, even on my phone while in the waiting room of my doctor's clinic.
I've also used many software packages in the past like QuickVerse and Laridian's Pocket Bible. Some were quite buggy, and I've lost all of the books I bought on Pocket Bible. I can only hope that I will continue to have access to Logos for many years to come. Hopefully they will not stretch themselves too thin and lose their shirt while trying to bring in more users.1 -
@Saay I would suspect all those posting here want Logos to remain in business so we can continue to enjoy using their product. Yes, many of us did purchase Logos years ago and many of us have spent thousands of dollars buying upgrades and books over the years. None of us want to lose that, and Logos has assured us that we will continue to have access to whatever we purchase whether or not we subscribe.
There was a time when Faithlife's continued health had personal implications (Logos $$). These days, I might be in the severe minority, but that's probably no longer true. Over the years, my Logos paid off. It answered the questions I wanted answered. And the more recent features don't appeal (not saying, for anyone else). I'm satisfied. Lots to read and enjoy.
I was far more concerned, when Bibleworks announced their departure. As much as BW was an earlier design, I was impressed with the design relative to offering customers a good deal. Accordance, I have little experience with. BW was truly sad.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Wow, this thread is still going, eh?
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Were you expecting 'out of sight, out of mind'?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Frank, could you clarify something for me? You've repeatedly referred to "dropping back to the free version", which makes it sound like those who don't subscribe will actually lose the features they've previously paid for, and can only get the most basic level of free functionality. I purchased the Logos 10 Gold version before the subscription model started. I'm currently a subscriber, but if I cancelled that now, it's my understanding that I'll always have the level of functionality that I had in L10 Gold, even when a new version of the free engine comes out. No, I won't be able to keep any of the new features, even the non-AI features, unless I'm taking advantage of a legacy fallback license, but I won't lose the features I purchased in L10 Gold. I'll continue to use those features, but in the latest GUI that comes with the free version.
Are you saying that isn't the case?0 -
I'm not Frank but my initials got referenced above. And yes, bought features stick around. But, at least my discussion, pointed to new customers … as they buy a library, the features to make serious use of the investment disappear, if the subscription is cancelled. So, judicious library purchasing should recognize that the old equation is gone (books and features being bought together and owned).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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This - I was referring to the users that do not 'own' their features
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I would say that Logos has way more OL mistakes thank accordance. Way more. I rarely come across them in Accordance and see them in Logos many times literally every day.
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If Logos has "way more OL mistakes" I guess Logos must not be using the very same books and magazines from the OL writers as Accordance?
I suppose there is always a risk of errors when adding metadata and other underlying data but that shouldn't alter the original text of the resource.
If so, as a Logos user, John, I am sure you have been reporting them. If not, Logos has a Report Typo option in the Context Menu for us all to help improve our experience.0
