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It seems that LOGOS is planning to restrict and penalize those who do not subscribe to their service. As a longtime supporter of over 20 years, I can't help but feel betrayed. Our church had planned to support two young men by purchasing books and courses for them, but given these changes, doing so now feels impractical and unwise. This is truly disheartening.

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Eddie Snipes

I’m curious what seems like it’s penalizing non subscribers. The book purchases seems the same. What is missing?

MJ. Smith

@Taylor Blomquist

New libraries will be reserved for subscribers (just as previous libraries required feature sets). So, the warning you mentioned is intentional. While there are work arounds at the moment, we are working to eliminate those over time.
Legacy Libraries are sticking around.

That is from an official Logos employee. There is absolutely no change on the purchases of individual books or collections. I fail to see the logic supporting "penalizing" outside the context of the company has always penalized non-owner/subscribers from enjoying the huge discounts on the denominational libraries.

Aaron Hamilton

In my view, very little has changed regarding who can purchase the newest libraries, as this has always been tied to features. Some may argue that subscription feels worse to them than being forced to purchase features they may not have needed, but in my view subscription (for one month, which is all you need) actually represents a hefty savings for those who don't care for features over having to purchase them outright. I realize not every one shares this perspective, however, which is fine.

I will concede this one point: I think the 5% subscriber discount actually could be seen as penalizing non-subscribers somewhat, as the company will have to partially raise prices to make up for some of the lost revenue. It's the non-subscribers who pay the bill here.

DMB

I agree, so little has changed. I can't buy the libraries, but I used to could. But that's a minor issue (since my recent order list reads like $4.19, $6.24, $0, instead of $224.35, $421.15, 173.01 etc) . Pretty much the same. I'm think of going into business.

1Cor10 31

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354735#Comment_1354735

@Aaron Hamilton said "I think the 5% subscriber discount actually could be seen as penalizing non-subscribers somewhat, as the company will have to partially raise prices to make up for some of the lost revenue. It's the non-subscribers who pay the bill here."

My dear friend! I've posted screenshots of prices of the legacy libraries before and after the subscription was introduced last year. They've increased the prices of their legacy libraries, so they are not losing money because of the 5%. Prices and other factors they control are jointly chosen optimally to maximize profits.

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354782#Comment_1354782

Right. And non-subscribers pay 5% more on those prices. I remember your screenshots and found them to be interesting.

DMB

Well, not really. If they're like me, there's no extra 5% … buying lots of Kindle books now. So, subscribers are financing the company.

Aaron Hamilton

So, subscribers are financing the company.

As far as I can tell, that does seem to be the long-term goal.

1Cor10 31

Curious…why can't Logos offer a higher price for the packages for non-subscribers?

Wild Eagle

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354902#Comment_1354902

Because non-subscribers will claim that Logos is penalizing them🤔

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354909#Comment_1354909

Well, of course! Actually, we're watching a caste system in development. Involved, and uninvolved. Them vs us.

EastTN

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354902#Comment_1354902

They obviously can, but have chosen not to. We can only speculate why they made that choice. It seems likely, though, that they believe it will lead to enough additional subscriptions to offset the lost sales to non-subscribers. I think it's the wrong choice, but it's not my company. On the bright side, much like DMB, I'm personally saving a lot of money. I paid more for a burger and fries downtown at lunch on Tuesday than I've spent on Logos books this month.

Bernhard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354931#Comment_1354931

Hasn't that always been the case? Free version vs. Starter vs. Full Feature? I've always felt comfortable in the lower casts 😅

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354902#Comment_1354902

Considering a subscriber has the 5% discount, a non-subscriber would already pay more (Your previous examples also show some form of this as well)

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354974#Comment_1354974

Not really … but we'll see. The difference is the PE perspective vs Bob. Presumably you subscribed … one of the us's?

scooter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354931#Comment_1354931

I have thought of the caste system, as well. Hence, I call me subscriptionLESS.

Bernhard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1354982#Comment_1354982

No! And I am still happy and very thankful for what I have and what is available. No grudge, little envy and still comfortable in being castless 😂

What's PE?

Aaron Hamilton

What's PE?

Purely Evil. er... either that or Private Equity. 🤷🏼‍♂️

GaoLu

I have enough money set aside (even got my wife's permission), burning a hole in my pocket , to make a substantial upgrade, but somehow the subscription + package just isn't working. Packages are ho-hum. Nothing essential for me. We used to pay for some cool new features and resources. Upgrading was exciting. We invested days and weeks getting all excited about the latest, greatest, and best. We spent a lot of money. Mark Barnes really helped hype us up and find deals we wanted.

Now we bumble along like Eeyore, paying, grudgingly, for a subscription that many despise. The packages? Well, appeal has dissipated. Little excitement. Tiny fire. So, I haven't added anything yet.

Where is the fire? Where is the fervor for new packages? Help me out, please! Before I give the money to an orphanage.

Frank Sauer

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1355119#Comment_1355119

So far, I've not found a 2025 Library that has peaked my interest…

While I did, decide to give the LFL 'ONE' chance to impress me - still not a fan of the Subscription Model - this is my 'last chance' afforded to Logos to impress me with the LFL or return to the Purchase and Subscription option model before I would need to renew…

Library wise, I've been revisiting the Legacy Libraries to see if there may be anything that I missed - but I am pretty much content with my library as it stands. (Maybe a few individual titles or small additions - but 'big' additions are likely done - barring a tremendous 2025 Library showing up)

DMB

Seems to me, subscribers had the best of both worlds, back in Logos' Golden Age. Every two years, the excitement! Plus, subscribe as desired. Even newbies had it good .. small inexpensive packages, or yes, maybe subscribe too! Ah yes, just a couple years back.

Steven MacDonald

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1355123#Comment_1355123

Ahh! the simplicity. Subscribe or buy. Now it's multi-option confusion and many are still trying to figure out what is what. I still am holding out hope they return to a subscription that includes AI and a non-AI perpetual purchase. Simple. Two options. And you can be a Bible study leader, pastor, scholar, or all three :-)

rrutko1024

when Logos first started pro it was 9.99 a month, now pro is 14.99 a month or you can beat that with a annually for 99.99 1yr Pro

Yasmin Stephen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1355137#Comment_1355137

Are you saying that there is no longer a pricing tier of $9.99 for Logos Pro, and that it's now only $14.99?

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1355150#Comment_1355150

There have been no price increases since the official launch of the subscription. What makes it confusing is that there are different price tiers for the same product. Perhaps @rrutko1024 was referring to early access? The pricing on that was never meant to be permanent.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/225401/official-early-access-updates-and-subscription-pricing

rrutko1024

i believe 9.99 a month is because if we own logos 10, there is a banner in logos saying 2yrs subscription now available for you, when i added to cart monthly will be 14.99, annually 99.99

Aaron Hamilton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1355171#Comment_1355171

Do you have pricing concerns related to the subscription? To figure out the correct price for your account it would be necessary to identify which Logos 10 package you purchased. If you own Logos 10 silver or higher, you should be eligible for the $9.99/month price.

Mike Childs

I never intend to buy a subscription, but I have no complaints about Logos' new direction. My Logos Library of 9820 books and resources still work well every day. I will continue to use my current Logos the rest of my life and ministry. From time to time, I will buy books by scholars that I respect, assuming Logos wishes to sell them to me.

And I will continue to enjoy making "Personal Books" for my Library.

What the subscription model means to me is that I am unlikely to make another major purchase from Logos. (I do have the New Cambridge Bible Commentary on preorder, but that is as big a purchase that I am likely to ever make again.) So, I will save a lot of money, and I am happy with the Logos that I have. It seems "Win / Win" to me.

I hope Logos is successful in the future. Since about 1991, Logos has been a blessing to me.

DMB

Yes, definitely a win/win. A huge library, supported for free. Great features over the years. And Bible-study galore!