NEW: Textual History in Insights, ready for beta testing on Desktop
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We’re excited to introduce the new Textual History section in Insights. This improvement brings vital information about the original languages and the textual background of passages directly into your Bible study.
For anyone working with the original languages, understanding the textual history before interpretation is essential. The Textual History section provides just that—helping you answer questions like: What did the Greek or Hebrew text say? Are there manuscript variations I should be aware of? How did ancient translators approach this passage? This feature gathers all of that critical information in one easy-to-access location.
This is now available for testing on both web and desktop. Open a Bible, Textual or Bible Commentary, or Bible Apparatus to get started. We’re eager to hear your feedback, so let us know what you think in the comments below!
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Wow! This is a useful feature.
I like being able to see the LXX for a Hebrew text in the insights as well as the critical apparatus. For an English Bible being able to see the Greek/Hebrew is helpful for study.
This will make the insights a handy tool to use in my work flow.
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I think the Textual Commentary should be moved below Original Language Bible and Ancient Version. Or better yet, let the user drag and drop the various sections in the order they wish. But the Textual Commentary seems to jump in and out pretty frequently. I don't like how it makes my Original Language Bible and Ancient Version, both of which are quite consistent, jump up and down so frequently.
It's a neat idea, but I think I prefer just linking resources together. With Insights, the Book cover and title take up almost as much room as the text (sometimes more). This bugs me, and I don't see why it's necessary. Linking resources allows me to see much more at once with less wasted space.
So far, Related Passages is my favorite section of Insights. I wish the book title appeared in the other sections just as it does in this section. It would leave much more space for text. If I could see two verses at a time instead of one (the current verse and the following verse), I would much prefer it.
Edit: I do enjoy how insights automatically pulls relevant information from multiple resources across my library for each specific verse that I wouldn't necessarily see if I was just following with specific linked resources. For example, if one textual commentary doesn't have any insight into one specific verse, it will jump to another that does. I could see how this aspect of insights could grow on me. Still, I would need to see more content and less cover page.
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It doesn't respect prioritization. I get Textus Receptus instead of NA28. It doesn't seem to respect custom series which I've reported elsewhere.
Until this is fixed the insights feature is useless to me.
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Is it meant to be complete, because Mt 24:42 is missing when the bible is at Mt 24 (ESV):
When the bible is at Mt 24:40:
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Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks for the feedback, especially on the card order, and layout.
For deeper study, I prefer linking resources too. Insights is supposed to be a simpler way to accomplish this. When you're new to Logos, even finding (for example) your Septuagint's isn't straightforward, so Insights is supposed to simplify this process, thus helping people create their own linked layouts, but also to get you that information really quickly when you need it and you're not in your own layout.
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It should respect prioritization, but it doesn't yet respect prioritization of custom series, which is perhaps the issue?
Our architecture means it's very difficult for us to support Cloud/Print Library resources at the same time as supporting custom series and titles. It's a surprisingly difficult problem for us to solve.
We have the same issue in Factbook, so we'll shortly introduce a Program Setting where users can choose whether to see Cloud/Print Library, or whether they want custom series/titles. Forcing you to choose instead of giving you the best of both worlds is not ideal, but that's the best we can do in the short term. Maybe we should bring that setting to Insights, too.
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No, it's not meant to be complete for long ranges. Even when the More link is clicked, we still limit the content to a sensible maximum (the ellipsis at the end indicates we've truncated).
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If I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like insights is more of a way to highlight and help a user navigate to relevant resources than to be used for study in and of itself. That would explain the large amount of space dedicated to the title. I still hope a compromise can eventually be found. While a certain amount of wasted space can be helpful, averaging 50% (which is about what I usually see in insights without maximizing any of the cards) is just too much for me to enjoy.
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Clicking More does help with the percentage of wasted space. I like how the card (usually) stays maximized even after refreshing. Keeping cards maximized makes insights far more useful to me. With this in mind, I would appreciate if this functionality could be improved upon. It doesn't seem like More is remembered based on the last setting used with the card, which would be ideal. Every time a card disappears or changes resources, I have to click More again.
Edit: If I manually change the resource, More is remembered. I'm noticing specifically with Cross References and Textual Commentary that the More setting gets forgotten frequently, however, when scrolling through resources and automatically updating.
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Switched ancient text to a septuagint that was not download - not a very elegant response
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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It doesn't seem like More is remembered based on the last setting used with the card, which would be ideal. Every time a card disappears or changes resources, I have to click More again.
Also, the width of the Insights panel is not remembered when the resource panel is closed and reopened. For instance, when a layout containing panels with Insights expanded is reopened, the width is back to minimum and must be re-expanded to the desired width.
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@MJ. Smith — What's the resource/reference that you used?
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Daniel 3:24 in the NRSV using the change book option to go to Septuaginta. Electronic ed. Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 1979.
BTW - I intend to be persistent in demanding that the LXX be treated as an original source. It will definitely be a negative that I illustrate in demo'ing the product.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The ellipsis is ambiguous as it indicated to me that the textual comment is incomplete (as is the case with Mt 24:36). That would be a better way to limit content whilst listing all the variants except that the bible reference does not link to the Textual Notes (otherwise you may as well point to the Textual Variants Guide).
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Thanks!
Yes, that's far from ideal. It's caused because the resource has the Theodotion version and the Old Greek Version in two columns. I'm not sure what we can do, but I'll look into it.
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